I've been a bit tired of the more recent rash of unbelievably sexist polls as of late. It's like IIN is becoming a "Misogynists are people, too" support group :/
Of course, on the flip-side of things, comments like this are probably equally grating to those I speak about, so... we all have our opinions. Best not to get too worked up about proclaiming them loudly, but everyone does every now and then. I think it's just human nature.
I take full responsibility to the ones you're saying are "sexist". It's not sexist to fight for men's rights, which is what I do. Mentioning flaws in which the female have in society and mentioning how they should have more responsibility for their own body isn't sexist.
What I do when people see me as "sexist" towards women is either when I'm talking about the male gender having equal rights, or make women realize they're not really after equality, more so special treatment.
I make a lot of of stories that you might deem sexist, but the interesting part is that the voters, not the commenters, always agree with my posts. Makes me believe that there are a lot of people that think such a thing is correct, but don't like to comment. Perhaps these people don't like to comment, because as soon as one supports the male gender more than women, even though women get more support from most aspects in life, they are deemed sexist. So they're afraid to stand up for what they believe, and maybe how they actually feel depending on if they're male, because they'd get seen as sexist for doing so.
When women fight for their gender = Girl power, looking for equality.
When fight for their genbder = Sexist pig.
Now tell me, how is that not sexist in itself?
But tell me, what sexist posts are you specificly refering to? Because all of my ones have been about giving males the benefits females have in society.
Infact, when I argue on the case that men should have the same choice and equality as women should on certain aspects of life, atleast ten women come out and call "me" sexist for saying males should get an equal right.
Equality goes both ways, we "both" have to have each others benefits and negatives of equality. And so far, the female gender is only getting the good side of equality being fought for the. If anyone 'dares' to say "Well, hold on, if you want the rights men have, men have to have the rights you have, and women also have to have the negative sides of being a man if you're wanting equality" then the pitchforkes come out.
This isn't a mysoginist website, more like a misandry website.
Anyway, if incase it isn't my posts you're refering to, and they are infact sexism and not arguing on behalf of the male gender, I apologize.
Before I begin, go up and read my reply to your other comment here! I'm giving you props, silly, not condemning you. The point is that you try, and debate rather than spout an opinion and give up, and I admire that.
I remember one discourse with you... but the polls are put up anonymously, there's no way I can tell who creates them.
Now, about why your method of debating sucks :P You keep labeling me as the perpetrator of what you "fight" against, and I must re-iterate that I not once stated that women are better, deserve better, or in any way should be treated differently than men. (Heck, I didn't even say they SHOULD be treated equally. I just defend truth as it relates to the arguments) So fight your fight against someone who says women deserve better, not someone who just wants to set the facts straight.
Do I have an agenda with setting them straight? Of course. I also have an opinion, which I state here and there, but I make sure it's loud and clear it's just an opinion and nobody is obligated to share it.
My opinion is that you cannot fight gender inequality as a feminist by making things worse for men. That's hypocrisy incarnate, and it's frustrating as you point out. What I don't understand is that you fight back by doing the exact same thing - degrading women with comments that aren't often steeped in much factual proof, and wording that is pretty darn offensive towards women. Why? Hate the haters to stop the hate?
Now, YOU don't seem to put these specific comments up, but on some of these polls about things like "financial abortions for men" (still puking about this one) there are tons of comments that say the women are stupid, or the "dumb cunt deserved it", or "teach the bitch right" etc. etc. That's what I'm a bit tired of seeing.
Trust me, those comments, polls about things like that - it's just as bad as listening to a feminazi drivel on about how cruel all men are. I just can't understand how becoming what you hate is the route you go to be heard.
Sounded a lot like you were condeming me, because I'm probably the main one that puts up the stories and polls that other might say is sexist, which they aren't. So I apologize for misunderstanding.
Yes, we have before. I'm pretty sure I told you it was me, or someone else asked if it was me on the same poll, and I said it was. I only stay anonymous so others know I'm the OP. If people want to know if I made the poll or story, I tell them if I did.
I didn't reply to you because I thought you meant those reasons. I mainly replied to you because I have witnessed myself that this is anything but a site filled with women haters. I have seen women complain about equallity that benefit males on here. I'm not saying you're one of those people, I'm saying that when such things happen, it's irritating to hear that it's a woman hating community that's rising, when it definetly isn't. The males that agree with me don't pay attention to the women's rights, they pay attention to the male's rights. That shows that they aren't out to attack males, they're out to get equal treatment they believe they deserve.
I sometimes dissagree with your opinions, that doesn't mean I think you shouldn't say what your opinion is, it just means that I don't agree with it.
You're partly right, and I agree with some of what you said about the hate thing. However, feminism has become very powerful through their hateful ways in order to get rights, and ensure double standards. That shows that hate is the only way to do it back. And although I don't intend to be hateful, it does strike me as a way men would get more rights. Not most of what I say has full proof, alot of it does, and alot of it doesn't have full proof, more so reasons in which suggests it is most likely proof.
I'm not being hateful towards women, when I say things that might be degrading like the smartest person was a male, I am right, same when I say it for the strongest and wisest. And it is a fact that most of what we use today in our lives were built of founded by men. That a fact, but isn't me saying women haven't made things we need to use, too, just saying males have made more.
To be honest, I have seen a few of those comments, there doesn't seem to be a lot, and they are definetly the minority of commenters, but I too think it's going too far. But if the woman did deserve it by doing extreme things, I think other males might be expressing their hate for what the woman done. Not all can be because of that, I have no doubt a few people on here probably hate women just for them being women, but not many, and I don't like such people.
I have to dissagree with that last part. The difference is females can say that on national TV and get away with it, males can't. Society definetly gives more support and second, third, fourth chances to such women, but not to men.
It's responses like these that are the reason I certainly wouldn't consider you to be blindly sexist or anything extreme like that. You still say things that make me grind my teeth, but that's just because we see things a different way.
I still must insist you cannot accurately say that the smartest person was a male. You can accurately say that the person with the highest tested and recorded IQ was a male, though. This is just a matter of using the right language when you present data. "Smartest" is an opinion. Intelligence isn't solely interpreted as IQ by everyone. Aptitude with language, ability to multitask, reading people, understanding psychology - those are all things that other people associate with being "smart". Same goes for "wisest" but even moreso. There isn't even a remotely standard test or measurement for wisdom. Half the people in Brooklyn will tell you their Gran is the wisest person in the world. Strength... well, you got me there. Guinness records point to a male, and I would guess that if someone was stronger and didn't make it in the book, it was likely a male as well.
It's fact that most inventions came from men, but it's also fact that men throughout history have held more freedoms and power than women. I could argue all day about how subjugation doesn't breed innovation, but potential is ever-present. Not a lot of slave laborers throughout history had brilliant inventions either. Doesn't mean they couldn't have done it, but they weren't given the chance.
Perhaps it is more socially acceptable for women to spout hatred and teach other women that fighting fire with fire is productive. I think that's appalling, but I don't know why YOU have a problem with it. You're all for fighting fire with fire! You're just ping-ponging it back and forth.
Also, the other side isn't without fact, either. Men are out to get the equal treatment they deserve? They already have a ton of advantages that women don't. That's how the whole feminist movement got started. There have been countless incidents recorded and brought to court about sex discrimination against women. Men still earn more money, are more readily hired against women with equal or better credentials, and enjoy their own list of "benefits" of being male. Why do you need second, third, and fourth chances when you still hold the majority of jobs against people who can prove they'd be just as good, when you make more money, when you have more power, when you hold the vast majority of political positions. EVERYBODY knows men certainly don't have the best history as politicians. Who's the last female representative or senator who got busted with a prostitute?
Both sides have an argument to make, but nothing changes the facts that the sexes are still not equally accepted even in modern society. The argument can go on and on with both sides pointing fingers and whining about how they're the victim and the other side has it so much better. Personally? I think spreading ridiculous opinions doesn't help the situation. Women shouldn't abuse child support to extort money out of men. Men shouldn't strip women of their rights to bare children (or not) in order to "get even".
Equality and justice are not born out of spreading hatred, nor are they born from meekly portraying the victim. Forgive the ironic expression, but both sides need to "man up"
What about people such as Einstein? Surely he was smarter than all people due to his findings and research, etc.
Nowadays, I'm unsure who is the smartest. Although I can't be completelty sure, and I can accept that, I believe the most likely person to be the smartest is a man. I say this because of all the acomplishments the male gender has done, and the things they have found out and made, and found are usually better than that of what females find, invent. Not saying they aren't smart, or geniuses, obviously they were, but I still believe the most likely person to be the smartest is a man. Aren't men better at math? Not sure if that was just a rumour or science facts. If it is facts, numbers and math I would say is the most needed thing in order to create, invent, evolve etc. If men are naturally better, then I think that gives a point to a man being the smartest.
What about Ghandi and such? (For the wise part).
Yes, women were by all means oppresed and not allowed to do such things as men. But, I find that a bit irritating. Surely if it was the case that they were "Just held back" they would been starting to make great creations by now that live up to what males have made?
I'm very up and forward in attitude about equality. I seen that males weren't getting their equal rights, either but don't have as much people defending that point, in which made me want to be on their side out of fairness.
How would you suggest a man even gets people to notice this? There are many male equality activists that try be civil, even when they go on TV shows for some time to speak about it, it is always filled with a man trying to say what he has to say, but the feminist activist on the show with him always speaking over him so that he can't have his say, in which case only the feminist gets heard. Being quiet isn't helping the male gender, they need to scream to be heard.
IIN to get annoyed at the self-righteous judgemental posters here?
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I've been a bit tired of the more recent rash of unbelievably sexist polls as of late. It's like IIN is becoming a "Misogynists are people, too" support group :/
Of course, on the flip-side of things, comments like this are probably equally grating to those I speak about, so... we all have our opinions. Best not to get too worked up about proclaiming them loudly, but everyone does every now and then. I think it's just human nature.
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I take full responsibility to the ones you're saying are "sexist". It's not sexist to fight for men's rights, which is what I do. Mentioning flaws in which the female have in society and mentioning how they should have more responsibility for their own body isn't sexist.
What I do when people see me as "sexist" towards women is either when I'm talking about the male gender having equal rights, or make women realize they're not really after equality, more so special treatment.
I make a lot of of stories that you might deem sexist, but the interesting part is that the voters, not the commenters, always agree with my posts. Makes me believe that there are a lot of people that think such a thing is correct, but don't like to comment. Perhaps these people don't like to comment, because as soon as one supports the male gender more than women, even though women get more support from most aspects in life, they are deemed sexist. So they're afraid to stand up for what they believe, and maybe how they actually feel depending on if they're male, because they'd get seen as sexist for doing so.
When women fight for their gender = Girl power, looking for equality.
When fight for their genbder = Sexist pig.
Now tell me, how is that not sexist in itself?
But tell me, what sexist posts are you specificly refering to? Because all of my ones have been about giving males the benefits females have in society.
Infact, when I argue on the case that men should have the same choice and equality as women should on certain aspects of life, atleast ten women come out and call "me" sexist for saying males should get an equal right.
Equality goes both ways, we "both" have to have each others benefits and negatives of equality. And so far, the female gender is only getting the good side of equality being fought for the. If anyone 'dares' to say "Well, hold on, if you want the rights men have, men have to have the rights you have, and women also have to have the negative sides of being a man if you're wanting equality" then the pitchforkes come out.
This isn't a mysoginist website, more like a misandry website.
Anyway, if incase it isn't my posts you're refering to, and they are infact sexism and not arguing on behalf of the male gender, I apologize.
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Before I begin, go up and read my reply to your other comment here! I'm giving you props, silly, not condemning you. The point is that you try, and debate rather than spout an opinion and give up, and I admire that.
I remember one discourse with you... but the polls are put up anonymously, there's no way I can tell who creates them.
Now, about why your method of debating sucks :P You keep labeling me as the perpetrator of what you "fight" against, and I must re-iterate that I not once stated that women are better, deserve better, or in any way should be treated differently than men. (Heck, I didn't even say they SHOULD be treated equally. I just defend truth as it relates to the arguments) So fight your fight against someone who says women deserve better, not someone who just wants to set the facts straight.
Do I have an agenda with setting them straight? Of course. I also have an opinion, which I state here and there, but I make sure it's loud and clear it's just an opinion and nobody is obligated to share it.
My opinion is that you cannot fight gender inequality as a feminist by making things worse for men. That's hypocrisy incarnate, and it's frustrating as you point out. What I don't understand is that you fight back by doing the exact same thing - degrading women with comments that aren't often steeped in much factual proof, and wording that is pretty darn offensive towards women. Why? Hate the haters to stop the hate?
Now, YOU don't seem to put these specific comments up, but on some of these polls about things like "financial abortions for men" (still puking about this one) there are tons of comments that say the women are stupid, or the "dumb cunt deserved it", or "teach the bitch right" etc. etc. That's what I'm a bit tired of seeing.
Trust me, those comments, polls about things like that - it's just as bad as listening to a feminazi drivel on about how cruel all men are. I just can't understand how becoming what you hate is the route you go to be heard.
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Sounded a lot like you were condeming me, because I'm probably the main one that puts up the stories and polls that other might say is sexist, which they aren't. So I apologize for misunderstanding.
Yes, we have before. I'm pretty sure I told you it was me, or someone else asked if it was me on the same poll, and I said it was. I only stay anonymous so others know I'm the OP. If people want to know if I made the poll or story, I tell them if I did.
I didn't reply to you because I thought you meant those reasons. I mainly replied to you because I have witnessed myself that this is anything but a site filled with women haters. I have seen women complain about equallity that benefit males on here. I'm not saying you're one of those people, I'm saying that when such things happen, it's irritating to hear that it's a woman hating community that's rising, when it definetly isn't. The males that agree with me don't pay attention to the women's rights, they pay attention to the male's rights. That shows that they aren't out to attack males, they're out to get equal treatment they believe they deserve.
I sometimes dissagree with your opinions, that doesn't mean I think you shouldn't say what your opinion is, it just means that I don't agree with it.
You're partly right, and I agree with some of what you said about the hate thing. However, feminism has become very powerful through their hateful ways in order to get rights, and ensure double standards. That shows that hate is the only way to do it back. And although I don't intend to be hateful, it does strike me as a way men would get more rights. Not most of what I say has full proof, alot of it does, and alot of it doesn't have full proof, more so reasons in which suggests it is most likely proof.
I'm not being hateful towards women, when I say things that might be degrading like the smartest person was a male, I am right, same when I say it for the strongest and wisest. And it is a fact that most of what we use today in our lives were built of founded by men. That a fact, but isn't me saying women haven't made things we need to use, too, just saying males have made more.
To be honest, I have seen a few of those comments, there doesn't seem to be a lot, and they are definetly the minority of commenters, but I too think it's going too far. But if the woman did deserve it by doing extreme things, I think other males might be expressing their hate for what the woman done. Not all can be because of that, I have no doubt a few people on here probably hate women just for them being women, but not many, and I don't like such people.
I have to dissagree with that last part. The difference is females can say that on national TV and get away with it, males can't. Society definetly gives more support and second, third, fourth chances to such women, but not to men.
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It's responses like these that are the reason I certainly wouldn't consider you to be blindly sexist or anything extreme like that. You still say things that make me grind my teeth, but that's just because we see things a different way.
I still must insist you cannot accurately say that the smartest person was a male. You can accurately say that the person with the highest tested and recorded IQ was a male, though. This is just a matter of using the right language when you present data. "Smartest" is an opinion. Intelligence isn't solely interpreted as IQ by everyone. Aptitude with language, ability to multitask, reading people, understanding psychology - those are all things that other people associate with being "smart". Same goes for "wisest" but even moreso. There isn't even a remotely standard test or measurement for wisdom. Half the people in Brooklyn will tell you their Gran is the wisest person in the world. Strength... well, you got me there. Guinness records point to a male, and I would guess that if someone was stronger and didn't make it in the book, it was likely a male as well.
It's fact that most inventions came from men, but it's also fact that men throughout history have held more freedoms and power than women. I could argue all day about how subjugation doesn't breed innovation, but potential is ever-present. Not a lot of slave laborers throughout history had brilliant inventions either. Doesn't mean they couldn't have done it, but they weren't given the chance.
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Perhaps it is more socially acceptable for women to spout hatred and teach other women that fighting fire with fire is productive. I think that's appalling, but I don't know why YOU have a problem with it. You're all for fighting fire with fire! You're just ping-ponging it back and forth.
Also, the other side isn't without fact, either. Men are out to get the equal treatment they deserve? They already have a ton of advantages that women don't. That's how the whole feminist movement got started. There have been countless incidents recorded and brought to court about sex discrimination against women. Men still earn more money, are more readily hired against women with equal or better credentials, and enjoy their own list of "benefits" of being male. Why do you need second, third, and fourth chances when you still hold the majority of jobs against people who can prove they'd be just as good, when you make more money, when you have more power, when you hold the vast majority of political positions. EVERYBODY knows men certainly don't have the best history as politicians. Who's the last female representative or senator who got busted with a prostitute?
Both sides have an argument to make, but nothing changes the facts that the sexes are still not equally accepted even in modern society. The argument can go on and on with both sides pointing fingers and whining about how they're the victim and the other side has it so much better. Personally? I think spreading ridiculous opinions doesn't help the situation. Women shouldn't abuse child support to extort money out of men. Men shouldn't strip women of their rights to bare children (or not) in order to "get even".
Equality and justice are not born out of spreading hatred, nor are they born from meekly portraying the victim. Forgive the ironic expression, but both sides need to "man up"
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Do you Always tell lies?
What about people such as Einstein? Surely he was smarter than all people due to his findings and research, etc.
Nowadays, I'm unsure who is the smartest. Although I can't be completelty sure, and I can accept that, I believe the most likely person to be the smartest is a man. I say this because of all the acomplishments the male gender has done, and the things they have found out and made, and found are usually better than that of what females find, invent. Not saying they aren't smart, or geniuses, obviously they were, but I still believe the most likely person to be the smartest is a man. Aren't men better at math? Not sure if that was just a rumour or science facts. If it is facts, numbers and math I would say is the most needed thing in order to create, invent, evolve etc. If men are naturally better, then I think that gives a point to a man being the smartest.
What about Ghandi and such? (For the wise part).
Yes, women were by all means oppresed and not allowed to do such things as men. But, I find that a bit irritating. Surely if it was the case that they were "Just held back" they would been starting to make great creations by now that live up to what males have made?
I'm very up and forward in attitude about equality. I seen that males weren't getting their equal rights, either but don't have as much people defending that point, in which made me want to be on their side out of fairness.
How would you suggest a man even gets people to notice this? There are many male equality activists that try be civil, even when they go on TV shows for some time to speak about it, it is always filled with a man trying to say what he has to say, but the feminist activist on the show with him always speaking over him so that he can't have his say, in which case only the feminist gets heard. Being quiet isn't helping the male gender, they need to scream to be heard.
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