Men are meant to be strong and women are meant to be pretty and compassionate. Like the male peacock has the prettiest feathers. This is how most species are designed. One creature is meant to attract and the other is meant to chase and claim one. That is the destiny and why girls have so much more pressure to look pretty. No matter how much you dress it up. That is always how it will be. The underling reasons will always be here.
I think what you are saying is true for our society as it currently is but that wasn't always true. In western European cultures in the middle ages for example it was considered the women who were sexually minded and chased after men. It was almost the opposite of today. In most historical cultures men were seen as the more beautiful one. All I am saying is that our cultures program us on how to think to some degree and we should be careful not to put things down to biology that could be put down to culture.
Well if you look at evidence of people before that it does. Hunter gathers says that women use to gather fruit and men use to hunt for meat. So that is the basic beginning. Also Please explain why women are not designed stronger. Granted a lot of women are strong but the strongest woman is still not big and bad enough to surpass the strongest man. Why are ladies so pretty? Why does it seem harder for a man to get a lady and ladies just pat those eye lashes. I think you have it backwards. It is physically showing us otherwise. I am not being sexist but it seems pretty obvious. Not that a strong female is not great! This goes for all species and ladies just got the position to attract and raise kids.
Yes, we used the concept of hunter-gatherer, but what you didn't answer was "why". When the concept of hunter-gatherer was created by our ancestors, it was because our species believed that women were "missing" something. Just looking at our bodies visually, we didn't understand that some bodies had penises and some had vaginas. We thought that some had penises and these others were "missing" penises. (And obviously these terms for genitalia and sex/gender didn't exist at the time. I'm just using them to explain.)
This made our ancestors infer that those "missing" something on their bodies were not as strong as those who had something on their bodies. Thus why the people with penises went out to hunt, and those "missing" penises gathered food and stayed away from danger. When you think about it, our ancestors were incredibly smart to make this inference- the only problem is their inference was wrong. We understand today that these people are called males and females, and that a typical male is born with a penis and testicles, and a typical female is born with a vagina and ovaries.
This division from our ancestors caused differences in our evolution. Men began to have more muscles at birth in their upper body from hunting. But women actually are stronger in men in many ways- just in their lower body. They tend to have stronger legs and their vaginas can stretch to 30 times its original size to give birth to another human being. But our androcentric world doesn't focus on lower body strength. We don't see purpose in leg strength, we see purpose upper body strength because we can lift things.
Why are women pretty? Some are, and so are some men. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Calling women "pretty" and men "handsome" is something we created for gender norms. But ask yourself, who created gender norms? The reason women are "made to be pretty" is because MEN created the gender norms. Following the same mentality for thousands of years, thinking that men were stronger and that women were weaker, men were the ones that decided what the gender roles were when we became homo-sapien sapien, as with the development of politics, our grasps on religion, even science and medicine. For centuries, women were seen as property to men, and that their job was to be concerned with rearing children and pleasing their husbands- because men made it that way with their power. The did "scientific studies" to "prove" that men were stronger. They used religion to justify any difference between men and women, and they kept their control of women using politics. It wasn't until the previous century when Americans finally started to grasp that the people who believed these gender norms were wrong.
Even today in movies, magazines, television- all types of media- the ones telling women how to dress, how to shape their bodies, what to do with their hair, make-up, and breasts... it's mostly men. Women are de-humanized in our media and seen as objects to men. They made breasts sexualized parts of the body, which is why in the U.S. men can take their shirts off in public but women can't.
I know I went on a bit of a rant, but If you get a chance you should read some feminists theory. Simone de Beauvoir is a great french feminist theorist to start with. You might also enjoy some feminists works of Monique Wittig (another French feminist), Kate Bornstein (a well-known writer on gender), and bell hooks (a writer on women's movement as well as african american equality - her name is NOT capitalized). Just give it a try before you stayed convinced that men and women are so different.
If you look at it things are exactly that. Males and females have most of the same organs. If we took out those different organs we would be exactly the same. If you think about it balls are like enlarged clit and a vagina is like a inside out dick. Also you think men are the ones telling women what to do and look like? You are very wrong. The one that tells women what is pretty is other insecure females. Since women are made to compete no matter what so are still held to higher standards as they must drive to find a man before the other women. Any threat the bitches destroy. So the kinder of the gender are made to suffer. It is plain as day. Everything in biology says that women are made to care for children. Biology will also show that men are made to be strong and hunt and protect. I do not care what culture says. That has nothing to do with this biological evidence. Another thing you are missing is women have XX and men have XY and all men started as females at one point in the womb. So yes a lady is a man with out a dick. Men are built to be sturdy and women are made to be pretty. I know you want to go by your ideals but I am basing this off biology.
What resources are you basing your opinion on? Because I am not basing anything off of my *own* ideals. I'm basing it off of dozens of studies, research, multiple of feminist theorists in the area of research, my degree in both psychology and women's and gender studies, and a minor degree in LGBTQ studies.
You wrote, "Also you think men are the ones telling women what to do and look like? You are very wrong. The one that tells women what is pretty is other insecure females. Since women are made to compete no matter what so are still held to higher standards as they must drive to find a man before the other women."
I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. Men have told women what is masculine and feminine for thousands of years. Men have used religion, business, and there political power for several centuries to control women. They used arguments similar to what you're saying, that they did "research" to determine that men were stronger, and that God said that women were naturally inclined to be mothers. But in reality, there is no "maternal instinct". Women passed that along to other women throughout the centuries that there was one because men in political and religious power told women that that's how it was. Because that what men wanted, someone to serve them, be their house slave, and rear their children.
As for biology, I think you're still a little backwards. You're still saying "it's just biology" but as I said before, you're missing "why". What I was saying was that biology mutated over time to make men have upper-body strength. We did not always start out that way. Our ancestors went through thousands of mutations, adaptations, and genetic blending before we became the humans we are today. Men became physically stronger because they saw women as "missing" something. So men went out to hunt, and continued this for thousands of years, while the women gathered, and continued for thousands of years. Eventually, over time, men started to become more physical stronger from birth, though women's upper bodies did not grow the way men's did. Eventually, when we started to become homo sapien sapiens, and form religion, politics, economics, and power, men took the reigns because they were seen as physically stronger.
My point is, the whole process of men being stronger could have been the other way around. If women back then looked at their bodies and said, "these (men) have something on their body that shouldn't be there because it doesn't look mine" they perhaps they would have been the hunters, and men would have been the gatherers. But it didn't happen that way.
Also, according to many theorists, the roles of gender were actually reversed in history. For centuries, men were seen as "beautiful" and frail while women were the "aggressive" or "strong" beings. You should do some more reading on some of that.
I also would like to point out that medical research has been completely androcentric until literally maybe 10 years ago? For as long as medical research has been around, research was always done on men. Never women. Did you know it was until a little over ten years that we discovered that men and women have heart attacks differently? I'd also like to note that as someone whose done statistical studies and case studies in my pursuit of my psych degree, not all "research" is unbiased. In fact, it's incredibly easy to fudge the numbers or change any experiment to have the results you want. If someone came to me tomorrow, and said, "If you can prove that cigarettes DON'T cause cancer, I'll give you a millionaire dollars." I'd be a millionaire. It's not difficult at all, you just have to know how to manipulate the study. Which is what many people have done throughout history. It was done to Jews during the Holocaust to "prove" they were dumber, weaker, and not even human, as it was to people of color during the civil rights movements, homosexuals in the 1930s, and yes... women. They do this "research" because some greedy son of a gun wants to make money. And the majority of business owners, political power, and religious influence in the world today- they are men. I don't think it's a coincidence that men doing "research" had "proved" that women were meant to be beautiful, frail, and maternal.
I think you should see both sides of the research before you choose which you believe to be true. Lord knows I have... for almost 8 years now. But you have to have an open mind about it. I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but trust me- I know many men that were like you. And after some people actually took a women's studies course, or read some feminists theorists, or even just watched some feminism videos on YouTube, they understood that men are the ones overpowering women. Not other women being "bitches" to each other.
Its a science book. We were taught the anatomy of people. It listed all the bones and all of the organs. It had diagrams of all the body parts. Yeah this books is not 10 years old. So that means it is still correct. However if you insist on saying anatomy is a lie why don't you go find me something proving women do not have ovaries. If you actually pay attention the ones making other women insecure is other women. Are you saying men run the supermodel industry? No I do not think they do. The head of it is other women. You are an idiot to think men think a chick that looks like a skeleton is very attractive to most men. Please go find me 10 men that say they want a 80 pound grown women. Where is your research? How about I do a survey and we see what the men think? Something is wrong with you if you think women should look this way.
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I think what you are saying is true for our society as it currently is but that wasn't always true. In western European cultures in the middle ages for example it was considered the women who were sexually minded and chased after men. It was almost the opposite of today. In most historical cultures men were seen as the more beautiful one. All I am saying is that our cultures program us on how to think to some degree and we should be careful not to put things down to biology that could be put down to culture.
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Well if you look at evidence of people before that it does. Hunter gathers says that women use to gather fruit and men use to hunt for meat. So that is the basic beginning. Also Please explain why women are not designed stronger. Granted a lot of women are strong but the strongest woman is still not big and bad enough to surpass the strongest man. Why are ladies so pretty? Why does it seem harder for a man to get a lady and ladies just pat those eye lashes. I think you have it backwards. It is physically showing us otherwise. I am not being sexist but it seems pretty obvious. Not that a strong female is not great! This goes for all species and ladies just got the position to attract and raise kids.
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I think I can shed some light.
Yes, we used the concept of hunter-gatherer, but what you didn't answer was "why". When the concept of hunter-gatherer was created by our ancestors, it was because our species believed that women were "missing" something. Just looking at our bodies visually, we didn't understand that some bodies had penises and some had vaginas. We thought that some had penises and these others were "missing" penises. (And obviously these terms for genitalia and sex/gender didn't exist at the time. I'm just using them to explain.)
This made our ancestors infer that those "missing" something on their bodies were not as strong as those who had something on their bodies. Thus why the people with penises went out to hunt, and those "missing" penises gathered food and stayed away from danger. When you think about it, our ancestors were incredibly smart to make this inference- the only problem is their inference was wrong. We understand today that these people are called males and females, and that a typical male is born with a penis and testicles, and a typical female is born with a vagina and ovaries.
This division from our ancestors caused differences in our evolution. Men began to have more muscles at birth in their upper body from hunting. But women actually are stronger in men in many ways- just in their lower body. They tend to have stronger legs and their vaginas can stretch to 30 times its original size to give birth to another human being. But our androcentric world doesn't focus on lower body strength. We don't see purpose in leg strength, we see purpose upper body strength because we can lift things.
Why are women pretty? Some are, and so are some men. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Calling women "pretty" and men "handsome" is something we created for gender norms. But ask yourself, who created gender norms? The reason women are "made to be pretty" is because MEN created the gender norms. Following the same mentality for thousands of years, thinking that men were stronger and that women were weaker, men were the ones that decided what the gender roles were when we became homo-sapien sapien, as with the development of politics, our grasps on religion, even science and medicine. For centuries, women were seen as property to men, and that their job was to be concerned with rearing children and pleasing their husbands- because men made it that way with their power. The did "scientific studies" to "prove" that men were stronger. They used religion to justify any difference between men and women, and they kept their control of women using politics. It wasn't until the previous century when Americans finally started to grasp that the people who believed these gender norms were wrong.
Even today in movies, magazines, television- all types of media- the ones telling women how to dress, how to shape their bodies, what to do with their hair, make-up, and breasts... it's mostly men. Women are de-humanized in our media and seen as objects to men. They made breasts sexualized parts of the body, which is why in the U.S. men can take their shirts off in public but women can't.
I know I went on a bit of a rant, but If you get a chance you should read some feminists theory. Simone de Beauvoir is a great french feminist theorist to start with. You might also enjoy some feminists works of Monique Wittig (another French feminist), Kate Bornstein (a well-known writer on gender), and bell hooks (a writer on women's movement as well as african american equality - her name is NOT capitalized). Just give it a try before you stayed convinced that men and women are so different.
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If you look at it things are exactly that. Males and females have most of the same organs. If we took out those different organs we would be exactly the same. If you think about it balls are like enlarged clit and a vagina is like a inside out dick. Also you think men are the ones telling women what to do and look like? You are very wrong. The one that tells women what is pretty is other insecure females. Since women are made to compete no matter what so are still held to higher standards as they must drive to find a man before the other women. Any threat the bitches destroy. So the kinder of the gender are made to suffer. It is plain as day. Everything in biology says that women are made to care for children. Biology will also show that men are made to be strong and hunt and protect. I do not care what culture says. That has nothing to do with this biological evidence. Another thing you are missing is women have XX and men have XY and all men started as females at one point in the womb. So yes a lady is a man with out a dick. Men are built to be sturdy and women are made to be pretty. I know you want to go by your ideals but I am basing this off biology.
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What resources are you basing your opinion on? Because I am not basing anything off of my *own* ideals. I'm basing it off of dozens of studies, research, multiple of feminist theorists in the area of research, my degree in both psychology and women's and gender studies, and a minor degree in LGBTQ studies.
You wrote, "Also you think men are the ones telling women what to do and look like? You are very wrong. The one that tells women what is pretty is other insecure females. Since women are made to compete no matter what so are still held to higher standards as they must drive to find a man before the other women."
I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. Men have told women what is masculine and feminine for thousands of years. Men have used religion, business, and there political power for several centuries to control women. They used arguments similar to what you're saying, that they did "research" to determine that men were stronger, and that God said that women were naturally inclined to be mothers. But in reality, there is no "maternal instinct". Women passed that along to other women throughout the centuries that there was one because men in political and religious power told women that that's how it was. Because that what men wanted, someone to serve them, be their house slave, and rear their children.
As for biology, I think you're still a little backwards. You're still saying "it's just biology" but as I said before, you're missing "why". What I was saying was that biology mutated over time to make men have upper-body strength. We did not always start out that way. Our ancestors went through thousands of mutations, adaptations, and genetic blending before we became the humans we are today. Men became physically stronger because they saw women as "missing" something. So men went out to hunt, and continued this for thousands of years, while the women gathered, and continued for thousands of years. Eventually, over time, men started to become more physical stronger from birth, though women's upper bodies did not grow the way men's did. Eventually, when we started to become homo sapien sapiens, and form religion, politics, economics, and power, men took the reigns because they were seen as physically stronger.
My point is, the whole process of men being stronger could have been the other way around. If women back then looked at their bodies and said, "these (men) have something on their body that shouldn't be there because it doesn't look mine" they perhaps they would have been the hunters, and men would have been the gatherers. But it didn't happen that way.
Also, according to many theorists, the roles of gender were actually reversed in history. For centuries, men were seen as "beautiful" and frail while women were the "aggressive" or "strong" beings. You should do some more reading on some of that.
I also would like to point out that medical research has been completely androcentric until literally maybe 10 years ago? For as long as medical research has been around, research was always done on men. Never women. Did you know it was until a little over ten years that we discovered that men and women have heart attacks differently? I'd also like to note that as someone whose done statistical studies and case studies in my pursuit of my psych degree, not all "research" is unbiased. In fact, it's incredibly easy to fudge the numbers or change any experiment to have the results you want. If someone came to me tomorrow, and said, "If you can prove that cigarettes DON'T cause cancer, I'll give you a millionaire dollars." I'd be a millionaire. It's not difficult at all, you just have to know how to manipulate the study. Which is what many people have done throughout history. It was done to Jews during the Holocaust to "prove" they were dumber, weaker, and not even human, as it was to people of color during the civil rights movements, homosexuals in the 1930s, and yes... women. They do this "research" because some greedy son of a gun wants to make money. And the majority of business owners, political power, and religious influence in the world today- they are men. I don't think it's a coincidence that men doing "research" had "proved" that women were meant to be beautiful, frail, and maternal.
I think you should see both sides of the research before you choose which you believe to be true. Lord knows I have... for almost 8 years now. But you have to have an open mind about it. I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but trust me- I know many men that were like you. And after some people actually took a women's studies course, or read some feminists theorists, or even just watched some feminism videos on YouTube, they understood that men are the ones overpowering women. Not other women being "bitches" to each other.
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Its a science book. We were taught the anatomy of people. It listed all the bones and all of the organs. It had diagrams of all the body parts. Yeah this books is not 10 years old. So that means it is still correct. However if you insist on saying anatomy is a lie why don't you go find me something proving women do not have ovaries. If you actually pay attention the ones making other women insecure is other women. Are you saying men run the supermodel industry? No I do not think they do. The head of it is other women. You are an idiot to think men think a chick that looks like a skeleton is very attractive to most men. Please go find me 10 men that say they want a 80 pound grown women. Where is your research? How about I do a survey and we see what the men think? Something is wrong with you if you think women should look this way.