The situation I found very difficult to deal with, and it's only happened a couple of times in my life, is being sexually involved with someone I don't even like but are attracted to: once a bloke and once a woman. It felt really weird both times and didn't end well
For women the biological imperative to reproduce is tempered by needing a mate that will also stay around long enough to help raise the offspring.
I think one of the great failings humans are facing as a species is with women that are losing the ability to discern the quality males that will stay and the ones that won't.
I suppose thee are other factors in play as well. I think emotional needs and past abuses can seriously alter the females ability to make wise choices in the matter of offspring.
What I find interesting is how similar humans (meaning homo sapiens) are to their closest primate cousins. A male gorilla that finds a mate that has offspring by a previous male will kill those offspring and attempt to create his own with the female, and the females for reasons beyond easy comprehension goes along with this travesty.
And so often we find the "nice guys" wondering why the hot chicks always go for the guys that are assholes. Because the human brain still has a lot of primitive wiring left in it that isn't wholly compatible with modern culture/society.
Why use gorillas? I'd guess because their social organisation fits how you'd like the world to be.
Our DNA is 98 -99.4% identical to that of bonobo apes: do some research on that species. They fuck a lot, the females are in charge and it's a peaceful coopoerative society.
Why use gorillas? Hmm... because they are a close relative, as are chimps, bonobos and orangutans. You're not likely to out do me on primatology. It's more than just a hobby for me.
As for bonobos, yes they are largely peaceful, especially in comparison to chimpanzees*, but there are also aspects of their social organization that many would still find repugnant.
*And see that "in comparison to" part is the sticky bit, as it's entirely subjective and can only be characterised as it appears in comparison to something else.
I'm not sure why you've taken a defensive tone Ellenna, I didn't state anything untrue, could it be that for some reason you simply feel argumentative? Or have I otherwise offended you? It would be petty, and hopefully out of character for you to be holding my views on other subjects against me in this conversation. I'm certainly not holding your past tantrums against you, I think even when we disagreed I maintained a polite demeanor with you.
I didn't consider or remember any past exchanges with you, in fact I didn't even notice who I was responding to, only to the content, unlike you with your comment about alleged tantrums. Hardly polite!
I thought I made it clear that by referring to bonobos I was opposing the view that human behavior can be explained by pulling out examples from one other species.
IIN to dislike a woman's personality but still be attracted to her?
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And the same the other way round for women.
The situation I found very difficult to deal with, and it's only happened a couple of times in my life, is being sexually involved with someone I don't even like but are attracted to: once a bloke and once a woman. It felt really weird both times and didn't end well
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For women the biological imperative to reproduce is tempered by needing a mate that will also stay around long enough to help raise the offspring.
I think one of the great failings humans are facing as a species is with women that are losing the ability to discern the quality males that will stay and the ones that won't.
I suppose thee are other factors in play as well. I think emotional needs and past abuses can seriously alter the females ability to make wise choices in the matter of offspring.
What I find interesting is how similar humans (meaning homo sapiens) are to their closest primate cousins. A male gorilla that finds a mate that has offspring by a previous male will kill those offspring and attempt to create his own with the female, and the females for reasons beyond easy comprehension goes along with this travesty.
And so often we find the "nice guys" wondering why the hot chicks always go for the guys that are assholes. Because the human brain still has a lot of primitive wiring left in it that isn't wholly compatible with modern culture/society.
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Why use gorillas? I'd guess because their social organisation fits how you'd like the world to be.
Our DNA is 98 -99.4% identical to that of bonobo apes: do some research on that species. They fuck a lot, the females are in charge and it's a peaceful coopoerative society.
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Why use gorillas? Hmm... because they are a close relative, as are chimps, bonobos and orangutans. You're not likely to out do me on primatology. It's more than just a hobby for me.
As for bonobos, yes they are largely peaceful, especially in comparison to chimpanzees*, but there are also aspects of their social organization that many would still find repugnant.
*And see that "in comparison to" part is the sticky bit, as it's entirely subjective and can only be characterised as it appears in comparison to something else.
I'm not sure why you've taken a defensive tone Ellenna, I didn't state anything untrue, could it be that for some reason you simply feel argumentative? Or have I otherwise offended you? It would be petty, and hopefully out of character for you to be holding my views on other subjects against me in this conversation. I'm certainly not holding your past tantrums against you, I think even when we disagreed I maintained a polite demeanor with you.
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I didn't consider or remember any past exchanges with you, in fact I didn't even notice who I was responding to, only to the content, unlike you with your comment about alleged tantrums. Hardly polite!
I thought I made it clear that by referring to bonobos I was opposing the view that human behavior can be explained by pulling out examples from one other species.
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What's impolite about referencing previous behaviour? I did add that I wasn't holding it against you, and I'm still not.
And no, sunshine, you didn't make anything clear. The evolutionary apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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You have to be being deliberately obtuse, but calling my expressions of opinion tantrums is patronising and condescending and ....well ... not polite
Maybe it's you who has the problem with clear understanding?