Firstly, you don't get tips in any other job. You don't see tipping in office jobs, on construction sites or in factories. Feel lucky to be in an industry where anyone tips you at all.
Secondly, tipping is more an American thing. In the U.K., where I live, it isn't really seen as ungrateful not to tip. Mainly because of the reason I stated above; in any other job, not doing your best would get you expect to get you fired... why do would waiters and servers expect to be given EXTRA money for what people in other professions are obliged to do for no extra at all?
Lastly, as for the reason why people have stopped tipping as much? Economic recession. People don't have the money to throw it around unless it's mandatory, and tipping isn't mandatory.
good fucking god! this poster is upset because they make TWO fucking THIRTY an hour. If they made nine dollars an hour and were bitching about tips, that'd be one thing, but im guessing that making such little money without tips would be hard to live on. holy shit i can't even believe i had to explain that.
do you enjoy getting by? if ever you visit america, tip any good waiter you have. we have needs, too.
Why should the onus be on the customers to make sure the employee makes minimum wage? In any other job, the onus is on the employer to pay the employee fairly, not the customer to pay the employee. Why not bring serving jobs in line with any other industry?
I never said 2.30 an hour was fair. It isn't. But it shouldn't be up to the customer to pay more than the price on the bill, it should be up to whoever owns the place to raise the prices and pay the workers more. EMPLOYERS should pay workers, not CUSTOMERS. At least that's what I'm arguing. If you can't understand that through your blind hatred of anyone else with a different viewpoint to you...
If you make less that minimum wage, which is a legal requirement, whoever employs you has broken the law. You ought to be able to take the company to court.
it is. not illegal. because tips. are factored into a paycheck. when a restaurant. looses ability to. tip its employees. that is when they go out of business.
Let's say I was brought up to making what I do, as a waiter, tips considered--about 10 dollars an hour (maybe a little more, maybe a little less). Even if I were to start making that without tips, there would:
1) have to be a menu price increase to pay me and the other employees that much
2) still be the reality that it is your money, as a paying customer, that is giving me my paycheck.
At this point I just want to make sure you still grasp that it is completely legal for a restaurant to pay their employees below minimum wage BECAUSE TIPS ARE FACTORED IN.
So really, your choice as someone with a naive understanding of the food industry can either tip 20% like a gentleman (when you visit America, that is), or watch the prices on restaurant food fucking skyrocket.
In my country, tips are NOT factored in. And a restaurant CANNOT pay a worker less than the minimum wage. Me presuming this was the case in your part of the world (as it seems the logical law to have) is probably the cause of our misunderstanding.
If restaurant food was 20% more expensive, with the caveat that customers did not tip, you'd still receive the same amount (and it would be consistent, which is obviously do your benefit too). I'd rather see the price of food 20% more expensive and written unambiguously on the menu than be obliged by unwritten rules to pay the 20% myself. I realise I might be alone in that preference, but it's just my opinion.
IIN to be frustrated when people dont tip after you gave great service
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Firstly, you don't get tips in any other job. You don't see tipping in office jobs, on construction sites or in factories. Feel lucky to be in an industry where anyone tips you at all.
Secondly, tipping is more an American thing. In the U.K., where I live, it isn't really seen as ungrateful not to tip. Mainly because of the reason I stated above; in any other job, not doing your best would get you expect to get you fired... why do would waiters and servers expect to be given EXTRA money for what people in other professions are obliged to do for no extra at all?
Lastly, as for the reason why people have stopped tipping as much? Economic recession. People don't have the money to throw it around unless it's mandatory, and tipping isn't mandatory.
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Sorry, but I live in the UK and it is rude not to tip.
good fucking god! this poster is upset because they make TWO fucking THIRTY an hour. If they made nine dollars an hour and were bitching about tips, that'd be one thing, but im guessing that making such little money without tips would be hard to live on. holy shit i can't even believe i had to explain that.
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Why should the onus be on the customers to make sure the employee makes minimum wage? In any other job, the onus is on the employer to pay the employee fairly, not the customer to pay the employee. Why not bring serving jobs in line with any other industry?
I never said 2.30 an hour was fair. It isn't. But it shouldn't be up to the customer to pay more than the price on the bill, it should be up to whoever owns the place to raise the prices and pay the workers more. EMPLOYERS should pay workers, not CUSTOMERS. At least that's what I'm arguing. If you can't understand that through your blind hatred of anyone else with a different viewpoint to you...
If you make less that minimum wage, which is a legal requirement, whoever employs you has broken the law. You ought to be able to take the company to court.
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it is. not illegal. because tips. are factored into a paycheck. when a restaurant. looses ability to. tip its employees. that is when they go out of business.
Let's say I was brought up to making what I do, as a waiter, tips considered--about 10 dollars an hour (maybe a little more, maybe a little less). Even if I were to start making that without tips, there would:
1) have to be a menu price increase to pay me and the other employees that much
2) still be the reality that it is your money, as a paying customer, that is giving me my paycheck.
At this point I just want to make sure you still grasp that it is completely legal for a restaurant to pay their employees below minimum wage BECAUSE TIPS ARE FACTORED IN.
So really, your choice as someone with a naive understanding of the food industry can either tip 20% like a gentleman (when you visit America, that is), or watch the prices on restaurant food fucking skyrocket.
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In my country, tips are NOT factored in. And a restaurant CANNOT pay a worker less than the minimum wage. Me presuming this was the case in your part of the world (as it seems the logical law to have) is probably the cause of our misunderstanding.
If restaurant food was 20% more expensive, with the caveat that customers did not tip, you'd still receive the same amount (and it would be consistent, which is obviously do your benefit too). I'd rather see the price of food 20% more expensive and written unambiguously on the menu than be obliged by unwritten rules to pay the 20% myself. I realise I might be alone in that preference, but it's just my opinion.