I don't drink milk directly. Usually only when it's an ingredient in something else. Even though I agree with the philosophy of vegans, I couldn't live as a vegan because even living as a vegetarian is somewhat difficult when 90% of the dishes at every restaurant contain meat, and the remainder that are vegetarian dishes usually contain a dairy product.
So you're saying you eat meat when eating out? You're not being very clear.
I have vegan friends who live in rural SC and they manage to live according to their ethics with ease. I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, in a country such as the US, it's "too difficult" to do something you're supposedly so passionate about. Particularly if you're gonna chuck a tanty online about someone poisoning rats.
I feel like the problem you're having with reading my post is that when I say I'm not vegan, you automatically assume I'm saying I'm carnivorous. I'm not saying I'm carnivorous. Veganism and Vegetarianism aren't synonyms, despite what most uneducated people think. It isn't binary. It isn't "if you're not vegan, you must be carnivorous"
I'm not saying it's impossible for me to be vegan. It's possible, just very difficult. I don't want to have to go out of my way to obtain sustenance. If society was structured in such a way that it catered to vegans, I would definitely be vegan, but that's not how society is. As it is, vegetarianism is already pretty limiting, but I put up with it because I care about animal welfare. If I were vegan, I would not be able to eat ANYTHING at the majority of social gatherings, so I am VEGETARIAN instead, so I at least have a small amount of food options anywhere I go.
I know the difference between the two. Im refering to you saying,
"I couldn't live as a vegan because even living as a vegetarian is somewhat difficult when 90% of the dishes at every restaurant contain meat, and the remainder that are vegetarian dishes usually contain a dairy product."
What's that got to do with anything unless you eat meat when out?
Oh no, restaurants don't cater for vegans. Do you HAVE to eat out? No. You choose to. My vegan friends ask for small changes to their meal if necessary, like no butter or milk, and also bring their own dressings, etc, if needed.
Your family doesn't have the same values? Are you incapable of making your own meals?
Quit criticising others for not living by your supposed values when you choose not to yourself.
And quit pretending this whole post wasn't a thinly veiled attempt at bashing one particular person. You pathetic little worm.
"What's that got to do with anything unless you eat meat when out?"
I was stressing how vegetarianism is already very limiting, and I put up with it anyways, but if I were vegan, I would not have any food options whatsoever at most places. That means, if a family member wants to take me out to pizza or something, I'll have to be the asshole who tells them I can't eat at that pizza place because I don't eat cheese. I don't want to be that guy, so I chose to be vegetarian instead, because most places at least have 10% of their menu for vegetarians to choose from.
I edited in clarification to my last post, so read that.
You hate me though, so I'm sure you're going to do some ridiculous mental gymnastics to try to hate on me no matter what I say. I could have just lied and said I was vegan to not give you any attacking points, but I'm not that kind of person.
Vegetarianism IS promoting animal welfare, even if it's less so than vegansism. It is showing consideration for animals. To be vegetarian, you do have to sacrifice a lot, and you're kind of an asshole to say vegetarians aren't real supporters of the cause.
You are a silly child. Calling you out on bullshit isnt "hating" you. You know that whole binary thing you were talking about? Applies to other shit, too. I can think you're a hypocritcal toolbag, but not hate you. I don't know you. Luckily, I never will have that misfortune, either. Do you "hate" everyone you disagree with? Really? Wow.
I have no problem with people being vegan or vegetarian and I respect their choices. I never said vegetarianism is "lesser" or not supportive of animal rights. What I DON'T respect is people whining about it being "too hard" for them to uphold their own standards, while expecting others to, when really they just want to attack said person because they don't like "how they type". I don't like your comments for their content, not how you present them.
Now I should say something like "colour" so you can not like the way I type. Because that's intelligent and not at all petty and childish.
Charli, you must have not gotten very much sleep. Your reading comprehension isn't so hot today. I did not write that I eat meat when I eat out. I explained why I'm a vegetarian instead of a vegan. I explained that most of the restaurants in my area do not cater to vegans, on top of the rest of my family being omnivorous, so I had to switch to being vegetarian. I DO NOT eat meat, understand?
IIN to be disgusted by people who remove rats with poison?
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I don't drink milk directly. Usually only when it's an ingredient in something else. Even though I agree with the philosophy of vegans, I couldn't live as a vegan because even living as a vegetarian is somewhat difficult when 90% of the dishes at every restaurant contain meat, and the remainder that are vegetarian dishes usually contain a dairy product.
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So you're saying you eat meat when eating out? You're not being very clear.
I have vegan friends who live in rural SC and they manage to live according to their ethics with ease. I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, in a country such as the US, it's "too difficult" to do something you're supposedly so passionate about. Particularly if you're gonna chuck a tanty online about someone poisoning rats.
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I feel like the problem you're having with reading my post is that when I say I'm not vegan, you automatically assume I'm saying I'm carnivorous. I'm not saying I'm carnivorous. Veganism and Vegetarianism aren't synonyms, despite what most uneducated people think. It isn't binary. It isn't "if you're not vegan, you must be carnivorous"
I'm not saying it's impossible for me to be vegan. It's possible, just very difficult. I don't want to have to go out of my way to obtain sustenance. If society was structured in such a way that it catered to vegans, I would definitely be vegan, but that's not how society is. As it is, vegetarianism is already pretty limiting, but I put up with it because I care about animal welfare. If I were vegan, I would not be able to eat ANYTHING at the majority of social gatherings, so I am VEGETARIAN instead, so I at least have a small amount of food options anywhere I go.
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I know the difference between the two. Im refering to you saying,
"I couldn't live as a vegan because even living as a vegetarian is somewhat difficult when 90% of the dishes at every restaurant contain meat, and the remainder that are vegetarian dishes usually contain a dairy product."
What's that got to do with anything unless you eat meat when out?
Oh no, restaurants don't cater for vegans. Do you HAVE to eat out? No. You choose to. My vegan friends ask for small changes to their meal if necessary, like no butter or milk, and also bring their own dressings, etc, if needed.
Your family doesn't have the same values? Are you incapable of making your own meals?
Quit criticising others for not living by your supposed values when you choose not to yourself.
And quit pretending this whole post wasn't a thinly veiled attempt at bashing one particular person. You pathetic little worm.
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"What's that got to do with anything unless you eat meat when out?"
I was stressing how vegetarianism is already very limiting, and I put up with it anyways, but if I were vegan, I would not have any food options whatsoever at most places. That means, if a family member wants to take me out to pizza or something, I'll have to be the asshole who tells them I can't eat at that pizza place because I don't eat cheese. I don't want to be that guy, so I chose to be vegetarian instead, because most places at least have 10% of their menu for vegetarians to choose from.
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You can ask for cheese free pizza. You know the dairy industry not only is inhumane to cows, but fuels the veal industry, right?
Most vegans are convicted enough in their beliefs that their beliefs are more important than free pizza.
Seriously, if a small town in the South can have many vegan options, I'm curious as to where you live that makes it so difficult.
I edited in clarification to my last post, so read that.
You hate me though, so I'm sure you're going to do some ridiculous mental gymnastics to try to hate on me no matter what I say. I could have just lied and said I was vegan to not give you any attacking points, but I'm not that kind of person.
Vegetarianism IS promoting animal welfare, even if it's less so than vegansism. It is showing consideration for animals. To be vegetarian, you do have to sacrifice a lot, and you're kind of an asshole to say vegetarians aren't real supporters of the cause.
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I read your edit. Doesn't change my comment.
You are a silly child. Calling you out on bullshit isnt "hating" you. You know that whole binary thing you were talking about? Applies to other shit, too. I can think you're a hypocritcal toolbag, but not hate you. I don't know you. Luckily, I never will have that misfortune, either. Do you "hate" everyone you disagree with? Really? Wow.
I have no problem with people being vegan or vegetarian and I respect their choices. I never said vegetarianism is "lesser" or not supportive of animal rights. What I DON'T respect is people whining about it being "too hard" for them to uphold their own standards, while expecting others to, when really they just want to attack said person because they don't like "how they type". I don't like your comments for their content, not how you present them.
Now I should say something like "colour" so you can not like the way I type. Because that's intelligent and not at all petty and childish.
Charli, you must have not gotten very much sleep. Your reading comprehension isn't so hot today. I did not write that I eat meat when I eat out. I explained why I'm a vegetarian instead of a vegan. I explained that most of the restaurants in my area do not cater to vegans, on top of the rest of my family being omnivorous, so I had to switch to being vegetarian. I DO NOT eat meat, understand?
I'm sorry but its very hard to believe that you actually have friends.
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Awesome. Why is your opinion relevant, again?