I understand perfectly what you meant. My point was that with experiences like mine, and that of people who DO have children with asthma or the like who must ask smokers to show courtesy on a regular basis, sometimes it's difficult to assume that all smokers are as angelic as the "good smokers" you speak of.
I understand what.you mean but from what I got in your article, you were mainly referring to smokers. I can do nothing but sympathize with your general statement as I am a Mormon and it's nothing but cool to shit talk Mormons in our country - I have known people who have never spoken to a Mormon in their lives talk like they're somehow theological experts.
It's the mentality that "My views are the logical/informed views.thus I am right and you are wrong". In my experience, those that preach tolerance the loudest can be the least tolerant overall towards opposing or different views.
It's not a pleasant situation to be in for anyone on any side of the spectrum, that's why I feel we should work hard to overcome these judgmental views and actions.
It's just as hard for someone who is told by christians on a regular basis that they are sinful, evil, abominations who will burn in hell for all eternity for their disgusting perversions of God's will to view ANY christians (mormons included) as the so-called "angelic" christians some people speak of.
The most we can do is treat our fellow human beings with dignity and respect, and be the better person by giving them the benefit of the doubt. I don't like being treated like dirt because I enjoy tobacco from time to time. I don't like to hear that you have been treated poorly for having personal beliefs that matter to you. To make it all stop, we have to pay it forward.
So in other words, it's not cool to dis smokers on the premise that some of them are truly assholes about their habit despite many of them being polite but it's cool to dis Christians and Mormons because some of them are assholes about their religion, regardless of whether they are polite and respectful of others beliefs... interesting view.
I understand what you're getting at regarding paying it forward but I don't think that you should be punished for the rudeness of other smokers any more than I should for the rudeness of other Christians. My only point was that when dealing with smokers on a regular basis, it's sometimes difficult to see the next one you'll deal with with a clean reputation, and the same logic can be applied to Christians too. None of that, however, justifies outward rudeness to the individual where none has yet to bet to be received... but I would say ot justifies caution.
Woah woah woah, please re-read everything that I've written in every comment here!
NOWHERE have I ever said that I support, condone, or even suggest discrimination based on beliefs!!
In fact the entire point is to prove that that is exactly the sort of behavior I'm attempting to discourage! ESPECIALLY against Christian groups!
I'm speaking out against stereoptyping, against generalizing and against judging a person based on just a few experiences with people in their demographic. I mentioned what I did about Christians to show that they suffer this unfair, unjust and dehumanizing behavior as well. I did not say and most assuredly do not believe it is OK for anyone to treat you poorly for your religion. Unless you are angrily trying to FORCE them to bend to your ways you have done nothing to deserve that behavior. I believe the message was misinterpreted and I apologize for it not being clear.
Is it normal to be awe-struck by socially-accepted rudeness?
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I understand perfectly what you meant. My point was that with experiences like mine, and that of people who DO have children with asthma or the like who must ask smokers to show courtesy on a regular basis, sometimes it's difficult to assume that all smokers are as angelic as the "good smokers" you speak of.
I understand what.you mean but from what I got in your article, you were mainly referring to smokers. I can do nothing but sympathize with your general statement as I am a Mormon and it's nothing but cool to shit talk Mormons in our country - I have known people who have never spoken to a Mormon in their lives talk like they're somehow theological experts.
It's the mentality that "My views are the logical/informed views.thus I am right and you are wrong". In my experience, those that preach tolerance the loudest can be the least tolerant overall towards opposing or different views.
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It's not a pleasant situation to be in for anyone on any side of the spectrum, that's why I feel we should work hard to overcome these judgmental views and actions.
It's just as hard for someone who is told by christians on a regular basis that they are sinful, evil, abominations who will burn in hell for all eternity for their disgusting perversions of God's will to view ANY christians (mormons included) as the so-called "angelic" christians some people speak of.
The most we can do is treat our fellow human beings with dignity and respect, and be the better person by giving them the benefit of the doubt. I don't like being treated like dirt because I enjoy tobacco from time to time. I don't like to hear that you have been treated poorly for having personal beliefs that matter to you. To make it all stop, we have to pay it forward.
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So in other words, it's not cool to dis smokers on the premise that some of them are truly assholes about their habit despite many of them being polite but it's cool to dis Christians and Mormons because some of them are assholes about their religion, regardless of whether they are polite and respectful of others beliefs... interesting view.
I understand what you're getting at regarding paying it forward but I don't think that you should be punished for the rudeness of other smokers any more than I should for the rudeness of other Christians. My only point was that when dealing with smokers on a regular basis, it's sometimes difficult to see the next one you'll deal with with a clean reputation, and the same logic can be applied to Christians too. None of that, however, justifies outward rudeness to the individual where none has yet to bet to be received... but I would say ot justifies caution.
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Woah woah woah, please re-read everything that I've written in every comment here!
NOWHERE have I ever said that I support, condone, or even suggest discrimination based on beliefs!!
In fact the entire point is to prove that that is exactly the sort of behavior I'm attempting to discourage! ESPECIALLY against Christian groups!
I'm speaking out against stereoptyping, against generalizing and against judging a person based on just a few experiences with people in their demographic. I mentioned what I did about Christians to show that they suffer this unfair, unjust and dehumanizing behavior as well. I did not say and most assuredly do not believe it is OK for anyone to treat you poorly for your religion. Unless you are angrily trying to FORCE them to bend to your ways you have done nothing to deserve that behavior. I believe the message was misinterpreted and I apologize for it not being clear.
Apologies for the typing. It is incredibly difficult to scroll and type on a touch screen.