Is it normal that ugly people abound despite natural selection?

If for millions of years evolution has made things better and better, and natural selection has been at work. How come ugly people abound? Shouldn't everyone be beautiful by now?

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  • Despite what the Kardashians may tell you "beauty" is not necessary for survival.

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  • You are talking about sexual selection without natural selection. Guess what. Ugly people have the same number of kids as beautiful people. So the beautiful to ugly ratio stays constant.

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  • Evolution occurs over a period of many generations, and in order for it to work, the unfit must never reproduce, either because they die before reaching the age when they can produce offspring, or because they never have sex.

    It's the nature of the male sexual drive that even women who are very unattractive according to our current criteria of beauty are still able to have sex if they aren't too picky about their men. Unattractive men face greater challenges, but they, too, can find a mate if they are wealthy, develop their interpersonal skills, or have a talent that women find appealing.

    In evolutionary terms, it wasn't that long ago that what made women most attractive to men was their strength, general health, and likely potential to produce numerous children. What made men attractive to women was their ability to support and protect her and her children. Bear in mind also that just a few generations ago, the pool of potential mates was very limited because few people travelled far in their lifetimes. The vast majority of people worked the land or did hard manual labour elsewhere, and for them the physical attractiveness of a potential mate was a relatively minor concern.

    The obsession with physical attractiveness is very much a modern thing that developed along with mass media, the expansion in the number of possible mates, and the shift to an urban, more leisured lifestyle.

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  • I don't think it's all about the looks like being beautiful ain't always the 100% the key in a relationship! If you have a gf or bf and you know she or he is beautiful it's matter like 50% the other 50% is the personality!

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  • How do you know? Maybe 1000s of years ago ugly people were WAY uglier than the uglies of today. We are witnessing evolution in action.

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    • A very insightful point. You're very bright!

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  • What does being ugly have to do with natural selection and evolution? Beauty is subjective and irrelevant.

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  • You are aware that hot couples can have ugly kids right. Natural selection dosent work the way you think it dose.

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  • Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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  • Is this the same person asking dumb questions? Btw the idea of beauty is made by society and different places have different standards of beauty.

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    • Yes, same person. By the way, Melania Trump will be hot wherever she goes, so that destroys your idea of different standards.

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      • Actually no. Some places think uni-brows are attractive. Some places think really unhealthily skinny is pretty. Some places think really pale is beautiful. In those places Melania would not be seen as beautiful.

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  • So you believe people only want to reproduce with beautiful people? That's rubbish thinking and a total misunderstanding of evolution: natural selection has nothing to do with beauty.

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    • Yeah, I'm sure your hubby looks like prince charming... NAH! Beautiful people only reproduce with beautiful people; you're probably married to a donkey.

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      • I’d happily reproduce with a male so long as he’s loyal, gentle and caring. Looks don’t matter to me as much as behavior. I’d rather marry a downright ugly guy who is loving and gentle during sex than a hot guy who doesn’t care about me and if it hurts.

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      • Hubby? HUBBY? Only ever had one HUSBAND and he died after he became an ex and I'm not married to anyone, nor do I want to be and I'm way past the age of reproduction anyway.

        Incidentally, he wasn't particularly attractive, which didn't stop him from screwing around with lots of women during the marriage, but my daughter is very beautiful(not just my opinion). Both grandsons are very good looking, as was their father when young, and my grand daughter is lovely even though her father is not at all attractive.

        They all take after me, of course .......

        I've had many lovers of both genders, not one of them stereotypically very attractive, but have noticed time after time that when I love someone they appear beautiful to me regardless of their actual appearance.

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        • Look, an airplane!

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  • Because ugly people still have sex

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  • I'm so ugly I won the Halloween contest without wearing a mask!

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  • Haven't you seen all of the ugly married couples? Also, both of my parents and most of my siblings are attractive, but I got the butt of the facial genes.

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  • The standard of beauty changes faster than evolution, so evolution wouldn't be able to keep up with how fast our idea of beauty changes. Also, a lot of people have different ideas of beauty and can find beauty in people others would consider "ugly" - or they might not care about looks at all! If we had the same standard of beauty forever and everyone based their significant others by looks, it would be reasonable to assume that evolution would catch up and make everyone beautiful, but standards of beauty change in society over time and differ from person to person, and many people don't choose their significant others solely off of their looks.

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  • This is actually a really good question. Firstly I would think that the face is so susceptible to slight chance naturally and that would create "ugliness," and secondly for most of our history humans would have been semi-arranged marriages if not fully arranged, so if you're successful you would be with another successful person and your parents would just say "no you can't go with the hotty we need to marry Sally the munter because her family is big in the cheese business". Finally even if you drop down to the lower orders where arranged marriage would be less prevalent/strict then men who can't get hot girls aren't going to sit their with no one, they're going to go with the less attractive women, and in order to survive and give their children a high chance of success for most of history women are going to aim for successful men not necessarily hot ones.

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    • Thank-you for acknowledging my genius! I think you're very smart too.

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