1) I really couldn't make it any easier. Read the first question of my story. It says: "Do you think there are people who don't deserve to be loved?" As an example(!) I wrote about people, who are combinations of all the bad things that came to my mind.
2) Lovely story about that Navy man, but it doesn't hit the point of my question. So that man is still deserving of love, in your opinion. That's fine. Is there somebody, anybody, who isn't? It is in fact a very, very simple question.
I'll start. I think, a person, who combines all the bad traits one can have in him - ugly and scruffy, stupid and mischievous, coldblooded killer with a nasty habit of killing and raping little school girls without remorse, is not worthy of love. Such a person does not deserve love. Do you, or do you not agree with that?
1) You assume everyone is suppose to hate. And that love means being gentle and coddling.
Love of all people does not mean we have to give up on punishing them. You can include them in "love for mankind" and still want justice to be taken on them.
2) Your list of what traits these criminals have is inaccurate. You seem to think they're all ugly, dumb, and scruffy.
Yet if you actually studied the 'worst of the worst' you will find that it's the opposite.
The worst of them were actually smart, well groomed, and attractive. If anything these positive features HELPED them gain access to their victims. They were so "successful" (if you want to call it success) at what they did because people originally judged them on appearance and like you they assumed "good looks" meant "good person".
For the record: of course I do NOT think all criminals are ugly, dumb, and scruffy. I have seen enough actual criminals in my life. I am talking about a hypothetical case. Let's say there were a guy, who is *put everything bad in here* all those things. You think he deserves love, even after he anally raped his 6 daughters or killed 1000 new born babies. It's fine.
I think I get your position now. You're all for love + punishment, or love during punishment or something.
I'm going to have to agree with Angel, "ugly and scruffy, stupid and mischievous people you see on a daily basis" sounds a lot more like "that kid in high school" than "cold-blooded serial killer". In fact, none of those traits are really inherently evil to me. I see what you're saying now, but don't patronize someone for misunderstanding your poor wording.
Allright. My choice of words and my phrasing might not have been the best. My apologies for the poor wording, to you and to Angel.
I really thought the first sentence made the question clear. Which is: Whether there is at least one person - the kid in high school, the cold blooded serial killer, me, Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler - who doesn't/didn't deserve love.
It's an interesting question, really, and a difficult one. Assuming that by "love" you mean some kind of compassion or understanding, then I'd probably argue that yes, everyone is deserving of that. The idea that we should kill killers on the grounds that killing is bad has always been a bizarre idea to me. What would separate the executioner from the murderer? Without judgment, society would crumble, but so too without compassion.
Is it normal that in my opinion some people don't deserve love?
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1) I really couldn't make it any easier. Read the first question of my story. It says: "Do you think there are people who don't deserve to be loved?" As an example(!) I wrote about people, who are combinations of all the bad things that came to my mind.
2) Lovely story about that Navy man, but it doesn't hit the point of my question. So that man is still deserving of love, in your opinion. That's fine. Is there somebody, anybody, who isn't? It is in fact a very, very simple question.
I'll start. I think, a person, who combines all the bad traits one can have in him - ugly and scruffy, stupid and mischievous, coldblooded killer with a nasty habit of killing and raping little school girls without remorse, is not worthy of love. Such a person does not deserve love. Do you, or do you not agree with that?
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Again there are two problems.
1) You assume everyone is suppose to hate. And that love means being gentle and coddling.
Love of all people does not mean we have to give up on punishing them. You can include them in "love for mankind" and still want justice to be taken on them.
2) Your list of what traits these criminals have is inaccurate. You seem to think they're all ugly, dumb, and scruffy.
Yet if you actually studied the 'worst of the worst' you will find that it's the opposite.
The worst of them were actually smart, well groomed, and attractive. If anything these positive features HELPED them gain access to their victims. They were so "successful" (if you want to call it success) at what they did because people originally judged them on appearance and like you they assumed "good looks" meant "good person".
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I feel like I'm talking chinese here...
For the record: of course I do NOT think all criminals are ugly, dumb, and scruffy. I have seen enough actual criminals in my life. I am talking about a hypothetical case. Let's say there were a guy, who is *put everything bad in here* all those things. You think he deserves love, even after he anally raped his 6 daughters or killed 1000 new born babies. It's fine.
I think I get your position now. You're all for love + punishment, or love during punishment or something.
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look up "tough love"
Part of love is administering punishment.
you punish because you want them to learn.
I'm going to have to agree with Angel, "ugly and scruffy, stupid and mischievous people you see on a daily basis" sounds a lot more like "that kid in high school" than "cold-blooded serial killer". In fact, none of those traits are really inherently evil to me. I see what you're saying now, but don't patronize someone for misunderstanding your poor wording.
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Allright. My choice of words and my phrasing might not have been the best. My apologies for the poor wording, to you and to Angel.
I really thought the first sentence made the question clear. Which is: Whether there is at least one person - the kid in high school, the cold blooded serial killer, me, Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler - who doesn't/didn't deserve love.
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It's an interesting question, really, and a difficult one. Assuming that by "love" you mean some kind of compassion or understanding, then I'd probably argue that yes, everyone is deserving of that. The idea that we should kill killers on the grounds that killing is bad has always been a bizarre idea to me. What would separate the executioner from the murderer? Without judgment, society would crumble, but so too without compassion.