No, they wouldn't, because they'd be too busy chewing on the carcasses of weaker organisms.
I take no issue with vegetarians/vegans, but I've never quite understood this particular argument. If you don't like the taste of meat - fine. If you just don't like the idea of eating meat - that's okay too. If you object to the treatment animals receive in farms or for slaughter - absolutely, and I agree. But to revert it to some patronizing sermon on the morality of being animal is insane to me. Living things subsist on other living things because if we ate rocks, we'd have run out of rocks by now. That's what life is. The fuel which consumes itself.
What's the line anyway? Are plants not also living beings? Is baby corn not mercilessly slaughtered in the fields every day? Or are we only protesting treatment of things that can make cutesy-wutesy eyes at you.
Maybe you can explain in it a way I can understand, and I'm willing to listen, but in the meantime don't equate me with an animal abuser because I've eaten a chicken wing.
I am a veggie, so I'll try and explain my point of view. I can't speak for all veggies, as we are all different and have different reasons, but this is my personal perspective.
I don't think it makes any difference who directly slaughters the animal. By buying the meat you are endorsing and funding the industry. It is the equivalent of hiring an assassin on a human being; sure the assassin takes some responsibility, but so does the person who paid for the hit. By buying the meat, you are indirectly the killer. That is the way I see it.
I agree that a vague, arbitrary arguement about morality as a fellow animal is unreasonable.
It is a difficult feeling to express at why I choose to draw the line at plants, but I'll do my best. The reason I draw the line at plants is because plants are not considered to have senses, at least not in the way that we can understand them. They have nothing comparable to a brain. The line needs to be drawn somewhere, and that's why I draw it at plants. I will not eat an insect for this reason. I would eat an animal without a brain or senses, such as a jellyfish if they were not poisonous.
I would protest against the killing of all animals, but you should understand that for me it is still a "sliding scale". Insects are less intelligent, less "aware of their senses", so they should be more readily sacrificed than, say, a cow. Even though the death of an insect is, of course, a horrible thing, it is not approaching as bad as the death of a larger, "more self-aware" animal.
That is just my personal perspective. I hope it makes some sense to you.
You don't know that. You have genuinely NO CLUE what other species feel/think, and humans are only now admitting that and acknowledging it. All this time, it's been assumptions made by humans, that is all. Remember that.
And, humans biology doesn't require the eating of meat at all. In fact, it's not in our nutritional advantage to eat it, regardless of what the animal-industries have told societies through advertising. It's always been done as a sign of conspicuous consumption and dominance, and that doesn't "justify" any human behaviours.
Then there are the environmental consequences of both "hunting" and farming other species: humans always select the opposite of what naturally-evolved predators select. Humans want the biggest and strongest, which hurts the population, while natural predators take the old, weak, and sick. Factory farming causes diseases, pollution, deforestation, waste of huge volumes of water, misuse of plant crops, and in the end it produces a much smaller amount of "food" for a smaller group of humans.
There are many more reasons, but suffice it to say that when one sits in a privileged position, the perspective you expressed isn't surprising at all. But just because we as humans *can* do something doesn't mean we should be doing it, that it's a good thing for all involved, and that there aren't consequences.
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Does that basically include meat eaters too?
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I don't think meat eaters should be included in that list. Thats a bit unnecessary and extreme.
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You know what scratch that...not even a 'bit' - it IS unnecessary and extreme.
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Agreed. People who eat meat generally don't kill them, unless you hunt. There's a REASON humans have canines.
It depends on whose perspective you take. If it were other species, they might say otherwise.
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No, they wouldn't, because they'd be too busy chewing on the carcasses of weaker organisms.
I take no issue with vegetarians/vegans, but I've never quite understood this particular argument. If you don't like the taste of meat - fine. If you just don't like the idea of eating meat - that's okay too. If you object to the treatment animals receive in farms or for slaughter - absolutely, and I agree. But to revert it to some patronizing sermon on the morality of being animal is insane to me. Living things subsist on other living things because if we ate rocks, we'd have run out of rocks by now. That's what life is. The fuel which consumes itself.
What's the line anyway? Are plants not also living beings? Is baby corn not mercilessly slaughtered in the fields every day? Or are we only protesting treatment of things that can make cutesy-wutesy eyes at you.
Maybe you can explain in it a way I can understand, and I'm willing to listen, but in the meantime don't equate me with an animal abuser because I've eaten a chicken wing.
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Not to mention, when you harvest vegetables the animals that live in the crop fields get caught up in the machines.
so even eating veggies only... can cause the deaths of animals.
the only difference is that you don't SEE the dead animals afterwards cos they get thrown away.
I am a veggie, so I'll try and explain my point of view. I can't speak for all veggies, as we are all different and have different reasons, but this is my personal perspective.
I don't think it makes any difference who directly slaughters the animal. By buying the meat you are endorsing and funding the industry. It is the equivalent of hiring an assassin on a human being; sure the assassin takes some responsibility, but so does the person who paid for the hit. By buying the meat, you are indirectly the killer. That is the way I see it.
I agree that a vague, arbitrary arguement about morality as a fellow animal is unreasonable.
It is a difficult feeling to express at why I choose to draw the line at plants, but I'll do my best. The reason I draw the line at plants is because plants are not considered to have senses, at least not in the way that we can understand them. They have nothing comparable to a brain. The line needs to be drawn somewhere, and that's why I draw it at plants. I will not eat an insect for this reason. I would eat an animal without a brain or senses, such as a jellyfish if they were not poisonous.
I would protest against the killing of all animals, but you should understand that for me it is still a "sliding scale". Insects are less intelligent, less "aware of their senses", so they should be more readily sacrificed than, say, a cow. Even though the death of an insect is, of course, a horrible thing, it is not approaching as bad as the death of a larger, "more self-aware" animal.
That is just my personal perspective. I hope it makes some sense to you.
You don't know that. You have genuinely NO CLUE what other species feel/think, and humans are only now admitting that and acknowledging it. All this time, it's been assumptions made by humans, that is all. Remember that.
And, humans biology doesn't require the eating of meat at all. In fact, it's not in our nutritional advantage to eat it, regardless of what the animal-industries have told societies through advertising. It's always been done as a sign of conspicuous consumption and dominance, and that doesn't "justify" any human behaviours.
Then there are the environmental consequences of both "hunting" and farming other species: humans always select the opposite of what naturally-evolved predators select. Humans want the biggest and strongest, which hurts the population, while natural predators take the old, weak, and sick. Factory farming causes diseases, pollution, deforestation, waste of huge volumes of water, misuse of plant crops, and in the end it produces a much smaller amount of "food" for a smaller group of humans.
There are many more reasons, but suffice it to say that when one sits in a privileged position, the perspective you expressed isn't surprising at all. But just because we as humans *can* do something doesn't mean we should be doing it, that it's a good thing for all involved, and that there aren't consequences.