Well, I don't believe that to be the case, that my reasoning is artificial or false.
Yes, both men and women enjoy sex, and so on. We're not talking about how both genders like sex but how both reach the conclusion of gaining sex. For example, a woman is not going to be called a slut for having frequent sex with her partner, but would be if she had sex with numerous men, because it is not the "liking sex" aspect that gets them that title, it's the fact that it's not a challenge for women to gain easy sex.
You are confusing the reason for the different treatment here, which I think should be noted. Women are not seen differently for liking sex equally but treated differently for gaining sex differently.
Requirements and processes are not unnatural, they are in every aspect of our lives. Would you willingly have sex with a stranger that is not attractive and asks you for sex over someone that has been charming and is average to good looking? No doubt the answer would be yes, but why? Because those are the requirements that a stranger that randomly asks you for sex does not meet your requirements for a sexual partner.
Again, there is a social experiment that shows that women can gain sex far easier than men can, and if there was no difference of requirements and process, then why would the outcomes be different between men and women?
These are not artificial, they are legitimate. You've not shown me why they are not legitimate, only stated they are not and then claim that both wanting something equally dismisses that both have different requirements to meet in order to reach that want for sex.
They aren't fake, they are legitimate.
Yes, most sex happens out of genuine pure desire...If the person meets the requirement needed to gain that reaction of desire in another person. It's not about "men winning and women conceding", it's about men woeing and women then desiring that person equally, that men have to do more to gain the attraction from a woman more than she does to gain his attraction.
Yes, a lot of women do fear having sex with a lot of people under this shame, but that is only because of the female standard opposing the minority that act like sluts. I have always said that women in general should be more like men in this regard in order to be treated the same men are, because if they are treated differently even though women have a more open requirement as men to and willingness to have sex in general to that extent, then it would be a double standard if they are seen as wrong for it.
That said, women are also a large part in slut shaming, I would even say the biggest part. This cannot happen until it becomes the norm for women to do so that the minority do not feel different for it, and unless the majority or atleast half of women do this frequently, then it's not going to change because it is the female standard not to give away sex so easily, not the standard of men.
I can't put myself in that position but I do believe that it is one of the problems, and if women in general opposed that and were as freely open to having sex with people with the same requirements and standards men have, then this whole issue would most likely die down, but again, women in general won't do that, they have too high standards and won't lower them.
I know what it's like to be on the flipside, however. As a male, if I do not want to have sex at any offer given, I will be seen as weird and shamed for it, which I have been. I am not big on sex, most of the time I find it boring no matter what new things I try, so when I have a woman trying to hit a home run, I typically play it off, and as a result guys will treat me weird, assume I am gay, and mock me for not taking the chance. That most definitely sucks, too. I've even had to go through sex just to not have that happen a few times.
It is an offensive fact, though. You haven't proven to me that the requirements are different between men and women, you've merely stated that they aren't.
But it IS the case. Beyond the involuntary response, everything else is man-made. Right? Things we have been told but are not innate. Things we have been conditioned to believe. What more proof is there?
You haven't proven these requiremens and process either. You just said it as fact but even admitted that most sex just happens out of plain desire.
Females and males use the slut label pretty equally. It's actually more hurtful, from my perspective, coming from a male. Femalles say it to be catty and often have no basis in saying it but males will call a female a slut THAT THEY JUST HAD SEX WITH!! We just did the same thing. We both decided to have sex with eachother. Somehow I am a loser here and you win??
I don't believe there is enough evidence to suggest so. Not sure what you mean by the next part such as that everything is man made. Most people do not agree with this. Although most things we see today are man made or made originally by men, not everything is.
It has already been shown that requirements are different between men and women, again, that social experiment I mentioned, which if you like I will link where a woman and a man asking for sex results in different conclusions.
Yes, I said sex happens out of plain desire but what people desire is different amongst others, which is my point, women require men to do more to be desired than the reverse, which I did explain in my comment above.
Well, from my experiences, women are the worst for it, even if you personally are more hurtful coming from a man, maybe because you want to attract men so do not like it when those you want to be attracted to you call you something they do not desire, but from my experiences, more women call other women sluts and with intent to hurt, but the talking they do behind the persont hey are calling a slut's back is pure viciousness, and I will tell you when I say, even I was shocked at how cruel women could be to other women because it pales in comparison to what I have ever heard guys say. The only guy I have actually ever heard call a woman a slut was my best friend, but he's an utter psychopath and bashes everyone for everything, so...
No, hormones and human nature is not man-made and that's where sexual attraction and arousal come from. We have NO control over that. It's biological. How we choose to react to those involuntary responses ARE choices, influenced by by man-made ideals.
It hasn't been shown. What we know for sure is both males and females want sex but they are treated different for doing it. Treated differently for having the same urges. I've seen that video and it's far from fair, scientific, realistic or anything. It's terribly flawed. It's in no way remotely relatable to normal life and normal sexual encounters.
Oh, I thought you were being off topic and talking about like technology and so on, hence why I said I was not sure where you were going. Still not sure what you mean, though. Elaborate please.
It has been shown. What criticisms have you shown as to why the video can't be taken as evidence of this? How can you say it's not realistic when it was a recorded experiment...?
Nobody is saying that this is primarily how people meet and have sex with one another. It's takeing both genders down to the same baseline where the genders have to act in different ways to get people to have sex with them and putting them on the same level, the same method, and so on. It's completely fair on that fact. It's taking a man and a woman, putting them together, making them use the same means of gaining sex, and then making note of the difference.
Do you have any reason to support your claim as to how this is flawed?
We don't have control over who we are attracted to, right? It's not a concious decision. We don't have control over our physical response to attraction. Boners for males, getting wet for females. Basically getting aroused in the genitals or "horny". We don't choose this, it just happens. There's no wrong or right to it. The concept of "good or bad" related to sexual acts is completely man-made. It's something we have been made to believe. It often goes against our natural biological urges. I really don't know how to be more clear than that.
The video is flawed because..first of all, it's obviously heavily edited. What did they cut out to prove their point? The woman is very attractive and dressed provacatively. The male is just blah and sloppy looking. Apart from that, did it occur to you that men have been conditioned to say "yes" and women conditioned to say "no"? I'm notsaying there is NO truth in the conclusion, I am saying again there's so much artificial influence on both males and females to cause concern over the results of the experimeny. Men may feel pressure to accept the offer even if they don't *really* want to (as you said has happened to you personally( and women may want to say "yes" but fear the repercussions.
You're not getting it, S.I. Yes, we both feel desire, we both do not control who we like, that does not mean that what we typically like are different and the requirements of one group are harder to meet than the requirements of the other.
They edited it out...Otherwise the video would be longer than it has to, they cut out the parts inbetween each interaction to fit it in to a short video. Using this as a "what happened in between?" point is absurd, you are making an assumption based on nothing. As for the female and male part, no, theguy does not look sloppy, he's wearing average attire, he's well built and not an unattractive person physically. There is another video of a guy asking 200 women for sex with mutliple attires and is handsome (don't know if the same guy) and still recieved 199 no's.
You're being unreasonable here simply to try prove your point.
I would go in to this whole social conditioning thing, but it is irrelevant. Whether or not this was true is does not change that women can still gain sex easier.
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Well, I don't believe that to be the case, that my reasoning is artificial or false.
Yes, both men and women enjoy sex, and so on. We're not talking about how both genders like sex but how both reach the conclusion of gaining sex. For example, a woman is not going to be called a slut for having frequent sex with her partner, but would be if she had sex with numerous men, because it is not the "liking sex" aspect that gets them that title, it's the fact that it's not a challenge for women to gain easy sex.
You are confusing the reason for the different treatment here, which I think should be noted. Women are not seen differently for liking sex equally but treated differently for gaining sex differently.
Requirements and processes are not unnatural, they are in every aspect of our lives. Would you willingly have sex with a stranger that is not attractive and asks you for sex over someone that has been charming and is average to good looking? No doubt the answer would be yes, but why? Because those are the requirements that a stranger that randomly asks you for sex does not meet your requirements for a sexual partner.
Again, there is a social experiment that shows that women can gain sex far easier than men can, and if there was no difference of requirements and process, then why would the outcomes be different between men and women?
These are not artificial, they are legitimate. You've not shown me why they are not legitimate, only stated they are not and then claim that both wanting something equally dismisses that both have different requirements to meet in order to reach that want for sex.
They aren't fake, they are legitimate.
Yes, most sex happens out of genuine pure desire...If the person meets the requirement needed to gain that reaction of desire in another person. It's not about "men winning and women conceding", it's about men woeing and women then desiring that person equally, that men have to do more to gain the attraction from a woman more than she does to gain his attraction.
Yes, a lot of women do fear having sex with a lot of people under this shame, but that is only because of the female standard opposing the minority that act like sluts. I have always said that women in general should be more like men in this regard in order to be treated the same men are, because if they are treated differently even though women have a more open requirement as men to and willingness to have sex in general to that extent, then it would be a double standard if they are seen as wrong for it.
That said, women are also a large part in slut shaming, I would even say the biggest part. This cannot happen until it becomes the norm for women to do so that the minority do not feel different for it, and unless the majority or atleast half of women do this frequently, then it's not going to change because it is the female standard not to give away sex so easily, not the standard of men.
I can't put myself in that position but I do believe that it is one of the problems, and if women in general opposed that and were as freely open to having sex with people with the same requirements and standards men have, then this whole issue would most likely die down, but again, women in general won't do that, they have too high standards and won't lower them.
I know what it's like to be on the flipside, however. As a male, if I do not want to have sex at any offer given, I will be seen as weird and shamed for it, which I have been. I am not big on sex, most of the time I find it boring no matter what new things I try, so when I have a woman trying to hit a home run, I typically play it off, and as a result guys will treat me weird, assume I am gay, and mock me for not taking the chance. That most definitely sucks, too. I've even had to go through sex just to not have that happen a few times.
It is an offensive fact, though. You haven't proven to me that the requirements are different between men and women, you've merely stated that they aren't.
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But it IS the case. Beyond the involuntary response, everything else is man-made. Right? Things we have been told but are not innate. Things we have been conditioned to believe. What more proof is there?
You haven't proven these requiremens and process either. You just said it as fact but even admitted that most sex just happens out of plain desire.
Females and males use the slut label pretty equally. It's actually more hurtful, from my perspective, coming from a male. Femalles say it to be catty and often have no basis in saying it but males will call a female a slut THAT THEY JUST HAD SEX WITH!! We just did the same thing. We both decided to have sex with eachother. Somehow I am a loser here and you win??
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I don't believe there is enough evidence to suggest so. Not sure what you mean by the next part such as that everything is man made. Most people do not agree with this. Although most things we see today are man made or made originally by men, not everything is.
It has already been shown that requirements are different between men and women, again, that social experiment I mentioned, which if you like I will link where a woman and a man asking for sex results in different conclusions.
Yes, I said sex happens out of plain desire but what people desire is different amongst others, which is my point, women require men to do more to be desired than the reverse, which I did explain in my comment above.
Well, from my experiences, women are the worst for it, even if you personally are more hurtful coming from a man, maybe because you want to attract men so do not like it when those you want to be attracted to you call you something they do not desire, but from my experiences, more women call other women sluts and with intent to hurt, but the talking they do behind the persont hey are calling a slut's back is pure viciousness, and I will tell you when I say, even I was shocked at how cruel women could be to other women because it pales in comparison to what I have ever heard guys say. The only guy I have actually ever heard call a woman a slut was my best friend, but he's an utter psychopath and bashes everyone for everything, so...
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No, hormones and human nature is not man-made and that's where sexual attraction and arousal come from. We have NO control over that. It's biological. How we choose to react to those involuntary responses ARE choices, influenced by by man-made ideals.
It hasn't been shown. What we know for sure is both males and females want sex but they are treated different for doing it. Treated differently for having the same urges. I've seen that video and it's far from fair, scientific, realistic or anything. It's terribly flawed. It's in no way remotely relatable to normal life and normal sexual encounters.
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Oh, I thought you were being off topic and talking about like technology and so on, hence why I said I was not sure where you were going. Still not sure what you mean, though. Elaborate please.
It has been shown. What criticisms have you shown as to why the video can't be taken as evidence of this? How can you say it's not realistic when it was a recorded experiment...?
Nobody is saying that this is primarily how people meet and have sex with one another. It's takeing both genders down to the same baseline where the genders have to act in different ways to get people to have sex with them and putting them on the same level, the same method, and so on. It's completely fair on that fact. It's taking a man and a woman, putting them together, making them use the same means of gaining sex, and then making note of the difference.
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We don't have control over who we are attracted to, right? It's not a concious decision. We don't have control over our physical response to attraction. Boners for males, getting wet for females. Basically getting aroused in the genitals or "horny". We don't choose this, it just happens. There's no wrong or right to it. The concept of "good or bad" related to sexual acts is completely man-made. It's something we have been made to believe. It often goes against our natural biological urges. I really don't know how to be more clear than that.
The video is flawed because..first of all, it's obviously heavily edited. What did they cut out to prove their point? The woman is very attractive and dressed provacatively. The male is just blah and sloppy looking. Apart from that, did it occur to you that men have been conditioned to say "yes" and women conditioned to say "no"? I'm notsaying there is NO truth in the conclusion, I am saying again there's so much artificial influence on both males and females to cause concern over the results of the experimeny. Men may feel pressure to accept the offer even if they don't *really* want to (as you said has happened to you personally( and women may want to say "yes" but fear the repercussions.
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You're not getting it, S.I. Yes, we both feel desire, we both do not control who we like, that does not mean that what we typically like are different and the requirements of one group are harder to meet than the requirements of the other.
They edited it out...Otherwise the video would be longer than it has to, they cut out the parts inbetween each interaction to fit it in to a short video. Using this as a "what happened in between?" point is absurd, you are making an assumption based on nothing. As for the female and male part, no, theguy does not look sloppy, he's wearing average attire, he's well built and not an unattractive person physically. There is another video of a guy asking 200 women for sex with mutliple attires and is handsome (don't know if the same guy) and still recieved 199 no's.
You're being unreasonable here simply to try prove your point.
I would go in to this whole social conditioning thing, but it is irrelevant. Whether or not this was true is does not change that women can still gain sex easier.
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