The problem is that you have no proof that heaven or hell or god for that matter exists. And for a just and loving god to exist hell cant exist. What’s worse that you believe that your god is a monster or that you don’t understand that you believe that your god is a monster. Hell and the threat of hell is a manipulation. Same as Santa is to make kids behave. Only with Santa your not telling kids that if they don’t behave they will burn and suffer for eternity. Just because you believe in something doesn’t make it a reality. If I said I believe in a magic poop fairy it doesn’t make that a reality and if I’m trying to make other people believe in the power of the magic poop fairy. People should challenge that belief. Just like they should challenge the belief of any god. A lack of evidence is not evidence. And there is no evidence of god.
The proof I have is what I have lived through, and the Bible texts, and various other references from the secular archeological record.
That being said... there are many other things we subject to far less scrutiny than we subject belief in God, and yet we will still entertain at least the possibility that they are real. Like parallel universes, extraterrestrial life... my faith does not depend on a 100% fully supported case that would stand in a court of law, in order to hold. And yet the author Frank Morrison demonstrates in his book 'Who moved the stone?' that there is enough evidence for the Resurrection for it to pass muster in a law court.
The large part of I can see in what you've written is disdain and caricature and very little of respect; we've passed the point of civility clearly. Sigh... If I'm to spend my time writing to you I'll only do it on an equal footing. Your parallels to magic poop fairies aren't necessarily applicable to my situation just because you want them to be.
But I'll stop there. Your anger that I dare express a view that you disagree with, or that was perhaps shared by someone who hurt you once, does not make you right.
I’m not angry at all that you disagree with me. I’m not saying a god can’t exist only that there is no evidence for it. The Bible is no more evidence of god than the Quran is. The Bible not only contradicts itself many times but it contradicts proven facts. My beliefs in these matters have nothing to do with weather someone hurt me or not. That is a common thing the religious put on atheist. You have yet to show any evidence for anything and have chosen to ignore many of the points I’ve made. And now you try to dismiss me by saying. “The large part of I can see in what you've written is disdain and caricature and very little of respect; we've passed the point of civility clearly.” Yet I’m not angry or upset or even that surprised with that. Why is my poop fairy comment any different then the belief of god. I’d have just as much evidence for it as anyone does of god if I actually believed in it. Which is no evidence whatsoever. I have read the Bible and it’s not something you should get moral guidance from. It advocates murder, Slavery, rape, and genocide. To name a few things. And remember me disagreeing with you is not me being a dick. Anymore than you disagreeing with me makes you one.
Is it normal that I'm not a Christian?
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The problem is that you have no proof that heaven or hell or god for that matter exists. And for a just and loving god to exist hell cant exist. What’s worse that you believe that your god is a monster or that you don’t understand that you believe that your god is a monster. Hell and the threat of hell is a manipulation. Same as Santa is to make kids behave. Only with Santa your not telling kids that if they don’t behave they will burn and suffer for eternity. Just because you believe in something doesn’t make it a reality. If I said I believe in a magic poop fairy it doesn’t make that a reality and if I’m trying to make other people believe in the power of the magic poop fairy. People should challenge that belief. Just like they should challenge the belief of any god. A lack of evidence is not evidence. And there is no evidence of god.
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If there was proof it wouldn't be faith.
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And no, it would exactly be faith. Faith is just a belief. No particular logical backing or anything required
I completely agree. No one atheist or otherwise who say they know god exists or doesn’t is full of crap. We don’t truly know cause we can’t know.
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The proof I have is what I have lived through, and the Bible texts, and various other references from the secular archeological record.
That being said... there are many other things we subject to far less scrutiny than we subject belief in God, and yet we will still entertain at least the possibility that they are real. Like parallel universes, extraterrestrial life... my faith does not depend on a 100% fully supported case that would stand in a court of law, in order to hold. And yet the author Frank Morrison demonstrates in his book 'Who moved the stone?' that there is enough evidence for the Resurrection for it to pass muster in a law court.
The large part of I can see in what you've written is disdain and caricature and very little of respect; we've passed the point of civility clearly. Sigh... If I'm to spend my time writing to you I'll only do it on an equal footing. Your parallels to magic poop fairies aren't necessarily applicable to my situation just because you want them to be.
But I'll stop there. Your anger that I dare express a view that you disagree with, or that was perhaps shared by someone who hurt you once, does not make you right.
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I’m not angry at all that you disagree with me. I’m not saying a god can’t exist only that there is no evidence for it. The Bible is no more evidence of god than the Quran is. The Bible not only contradicts itself many times but it contradicts proven facts. My beliefs in these matters have nothing to do with weather someone hurt me or not. That is a common thing the religious put on atheist. You have yet to show any evidence for anything and have chosen to ignore many of the points I’ve made. And now you try to dismiss me by saying. “The large part of I can see in what you've written is disdain and caricature and very little of respect; we've passed the point of civility clearly.” Yet I’m not angry or upset or even that surprised with that. Why is my poop fairy comment any different then the belief of god. I’d have just as much evidence for it as anyone does of god if I actually believed in it. Which is no evidence whatsoever. I have read the Bible and it’s not something you should get moral guidance from. It advocates murder, Slavery, rape, and genocide. To name a few things. And remember me disagreeing with you is not me being a dick. Anymore than you disagreeing with me makes you one.