Excuse me - do you think I made up how they killed animals? Why would I do this?
Anyway, it was in 1990 in the UK and it was very important that they died instantly, otherwise they distressed the others coming in behind them. Any hold up slowed the killing line down. If they panicked and tried to climb the bars they could also bruise / hurt themselves. All bruised meat was automatically condemned and the farmer wasn't paid for it. This was to ensure the farmers didn't kick them or punch them, though they did use cattle prods to move them along.
If you want the details... once the animal dropped dead they wrapped chains around their back feet and hauled them up onto an overhead rail. Then they cut off their heads and feet, before they reappeared on the 'floor' where they were skinned and their stomachs cut open.
We also did kosher meat in the Republic of Ireland where they prayed, slit its throat and let it bleed to death.
Admittedly, this was in 1990 and these abbatoirs are both closed. I haven't investigated how they do it now. Although I will admit, I'm not a great meat eater now.
Funny how you were quick to attack when you were still blind to the year this occurred. Basically your point was that you always think you're right? Because you clearly weren't, yet you still think you were.
Thank you for being condescending and arrogant. We all enjoy people like you trying to put everyone down by being a closed minded 'know it all'.
I just dislike people trying to put other people down for their own ignorance. Especially people with good intentions, like you.
And I took that picture when I was ascending on a flight back home from Cincinnati, Ohio. I love sunsets as well and wish I could take more pictures in that sort of situation.
The sun sets right outside the front doors of my work and every night I'm closing I get to watch the sun slowly creep past the horizon. It amazes me every time. :)
Miss Anthrope hasn't been able to answer for her original attack although I do note she has continued to post - albeit choosing to ignore my direct replies.
Keep reading to see if we can make sense of her post ;o) I'm not as daft as I may seem ;o) I'm not quite sure what she's actually saying - we only shoot them on farms if we care? But then it's efficient to process the killing line?
As I say, I saw the killings first hand and they didn't know what hit them - literally! But Miss Anthrope obviously has other ideas - can't wait to hear them.
I'm interested to know, how they kill them more efficiently now?
This was particularly quick and painless as the animal didn't see the guy leaning over the pen and the shot on the top of the head went straight through the brain.
Have I missed something in this discussion?
These abbatoirs are both closed as the copany was taken over and the land used for development - not because of how the animals were killed. In the UK the European regulations meant we could only export our best meat to Europe and we were left with the average to rubbish stuff.
So, tell me what you know your experience of the killing is.
It's more "efficient" in the sense that more animals are killed in a shorter amount of time, and more are dispatched.
There aren't any "quick and painless" ways to kill an animal unless the animal is fed/injected a sedative that makes the animal go to sleep, and then stop breating/stop heartbeat. That would be the closest to "quick and painless." Every other way is neither "quick" and certainly ever "painless." This is made-up fallacies promoted by those who profit from the sale of other species, period. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that supports any of the "methods" currently in use which cause no stress, fear, injury or pain to the animal intended for death. Again, this is merely human propaganda to ease any queasy feelings and guilty consciences about harming other creatures for human greed, profit, convenience, and selfishness.
The discussion at hand was not which regulation resulted in which type of animal parts were used domestically and which were exported. It was entirely about the assertion that slaughterhouses are "quick and painless" places for animals to die, and that "shooting an animal in the head" was considered humane - which it is not.
But if you're saying, "Where was this, in The Land of Denial? Unless this is a small family farming operation, this isn't done anywhere because it's not "efficient" enough" then what do they do now in the abbatoirs?
I can't see them injecting animals to go to sleep first because of the sheer weight of the animal and trying to move a dead one.
Don't forget that every abattoir has govenment vets on site to guarantee animal welfare and I guarantee that if someone came up behind you and shot you through the brain you will feel very little pain for a very short period of time, coz you would be brain dead in a split second.
My thoughts on it are that if we didn't breed them to eat, they would never have a life at all. Cattle aren't farmed like chickens, they need to be able to move about to develop muscle.
So tell me how you think they kill them nowadays in a more "efficient" way.
Is it normal that I killed a deer with a .22 pistol?
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Excuse me - do you think I made up how they killed animals? Why would I do this?
Anyway, it was in 1990 in the UK and it was very important that they died instantly, otherwise they distressed the others coming in behind them. Any hold up slowed the killing line down. If they panicked and tried to climb the bars they could also bruise / hurt themselves. All bruised meat was automatically condemned and the farmer wasn't paid for it. This was to ensure the farmers didn't kick them or punch them, though they did use cattle prods to move them along.
If you want the details... once the animal dropped dead they wrapped chains around their back feet and hauled them up onto an overhead rail. Then they cut off their heads and feet, before they reappeared on the 'floor' where they were skinned and their stomachs cut open.
We also did kosher meat in the Republic of Ireland where they prayed, slit its throat and let it bleed to death.
Admittedly, this was in 1990 and these abbatoirs are both closed. I haven't investigated how they do it now. Although I will admit, I'm not a great meat eater now.
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"Admittedly, this was in 1990 and these abbatoirs are both closed."
That was my point. Thank you for confirming it.
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I'm going to parboil you for ten minutes and then fry you in butter with some basil.
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Good luck with that.
Funny how you were quick to attack when you were still blind to the year this occurred. Basically your point was that you always think you're right? Because you clearly weren't, yet you still think you were.
Thank you for being condescending and arrogant. We all enjoy people like you trying to put everyone down by being a closed minded 'know it all'.
Please keep up the good work!
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Don't worry about Miss Anthrope - I might learn something.
I just read your profile. I love sunsets and actually had my house spun round for the sun to set right through the middle of it.
Before it was built of course and still on plan ;o)
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I just dislike people trying to put other people down for their own ignorance. Especially people with good intentions, like you.
And I took that picture when I was ascending on a flight back home from Cincinnati, Ohio. I love sunsets as well and wish I could take more pictures in that sort of situation.
The sun sets right outside the front doors of my work and every night I'm closing I get to watch the sun slowly creep past the horizon. It amazes me every time. :)
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Haha :o) I WIN!!
Miss Anthrope hasn't been able to answer for her original attack although I do note she has continued to post - albeit choosing to ignore my direct replies.
Dick!
Long live gorgeous sunsets!
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This is a day to celebrate!
Victory!
Wine and a lovely sunset? It sounds too perfect.
Hey remember me?
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.. kind of. Weren't you that kid?
Beautiful :o)
Keep reading to see if we can make sense of her post ;o) I'm not as daft as I may seem ;o) I'm not quite sure what she's actually saying - we only shoot them on farms if we care? But then it's efficient to process the killing line?
As I say, I saw the killings first hand and they didn't know what hit them - literally! But Miss Anthrope obviously has other ideas - can't wait to hear them.
Oh, I wasn't "blind" about anything at all, it's why I asked you the question that I did.
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I'm interested to know, how they kill them more efficiently now?
This was particularly quick and painless as the animal didn't see the guy leaning over the pen and the shot on the top of the head went straight through the brain.
Have I missed something in this discussion?
These abbatoirs are both closed as the copany was taken over and the land used for development - not because of how the animals were killed. In the UK the European regulations meant we could only export our best meat to Europe and we were left with the average to rubbish stuff.
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It's more "efficient" in the sense that more animals are killed in a shorter amount of time, and more are dispatched.
There aren't any "quick and painless" ways to kill an animal unless the animal is fed/injected a sedative that makes the animal go to sleep, and then stop breating/stop heartbeat. That would be the closest to "quick and painless." Every other way is neither "quick" and certainly ever "painless." This is made-up fallacies promoted by those who profit from the sale of other species, period. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever that supports any of the "methods" currently in use which cause no stress, fear, injury or pain to the animal intended for death. Again, this is merely human propaganda to ease any queasy feelings and guilty consciences about harming other creatures for human greed, profit, convenience, and selfishness.
The discussion at hand was not which regulation resulted in which type of animal parts were used domestically and which were exported. It was entirely about the assertion that slaughterhouses are "quick and painless" places for animals to die, and that "shooting an animal in the head" was considered humane - which it is not.
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But if you're saying, "Where was this, in The Land of Denial? Unless this is a small family farming operation, this isn't done anywhere because it's not "efficient" enough" then what do they do now in the abbatoirs?
I can't see them injecting animals to go to sleep first because of the sheer weight of the animal and trying to move a dead one.
Don't forget that every abattoir has govenment vets on site to guarantee animal welfare and I guarantee that if someone came up behind you and shot you through the brain you will feel very little pain for a very short period of time, coz you would be brain dead in a split second.
My thoughts on it are that if we didn't breed them to eat, they would never have a life at all. Cattle aren't farmed like chickens, they need to be able to move about to develop muscle.
So tell me how you think they kill them nowadays in a more "efficient" way.