Is it normal that i have an intense jealousy of christians?

tldr version: I’m strongly jealous of Christians for being happier, their communities, and generally more normal people.

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I’m a non Christian religion but I have an intense jealousy of Christians. I wish I could sincerely believe in their religion. The jealousy is so intense that I read the Bible and listen to ultra religious podcasts hoping I will have some kind of magic or mystical experience. I’m becoming obsessed with it in the way some people follow celebrities.

There are many advantages to being Christian such as:

• more mainstream and socially normal religion

• studies show a causal link between belief in God and purpose and being a happier person

• church community. Anecdotally I know of a lot of guys meeting the women of their dreams at church

• being able to refer to a book whenever you have a problem

Some atheist people point out the false beliefs as a disadvantage but I disagree. First of all superstitious beliefs can be evolutionarily beneficial, such as morality. Also human animals are not rational beings. People who leave religion to be more “rational” usually seem to adopt some goofy political ideology or social cult as a substitute for religion.

I would like to believe but I cannot. In truth it’s not even slightly believable to me and it causes jealousy, and has made me a “fan” of the religion in a superficial way.

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  • I kind of wish christianity was taken more serious by christians. Im not a christian myself but I see how they're too accepting of things and apologize for their religion and make excuses. There's actually some things I admire about Islam but Islam just takes it too far. But Islam does not allow their society to degenerate in the same ways but it causes degeneraion in other ways.

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    • Sharia law isn't degenerate? You know that Muslim countries have higher incidence of trannys because they would rather have trans people in "straight" relationships than allow homosexuality
      Also literally what is there to admire about Islam

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      • It's not really degenerate. It's fucked up, but not degenerate. We have to be careful what words we use to describe things. Otherwise you end up just calling everything you don't like as facist or degenerate or Nazism etc.

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        • It is morally poisonous, isn't that what degeneracy means?

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          • It's deteriorating into weakness and decadency. Otherwise you could just say that anything you find morally bad is degeneracy. Tbf, maybe the word is going the same way literally is going where it's lost its original purpose, but it's original purpose is different than they way you're using it.

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      • Dont get me wrong I wish we would ban 99% of muslims from coming to any western country. tTats why I said it degenerates society in other ways. But as far as the tranny thing I'm pretty sure its only Iran that allows ppl to become trannys.

        But what I admire about Islam is for one its strong family values. In most muslim countries women have a lot of kids and this doesnt just sustain its population but is the reason Islam is probably gonna take over most of western Europe. Sweden will almost certainly be muslim majority in 100 years. And the birthrates actually dont change much when they come to western countries (according to a study by pewresearch). Basically Islam was designed to take over the planet. The one flaw with christianity is its too liberal and this has allowed degeneracy to run rampant because the bible doesnt tell you how to run your country and tells you to accept sinners and allow it. Women dont have kids because they want to have careers. Its not sustainable.

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        • "Strong family values" they practice polygamy and it is OK for men in Islam to physically abuse their wife.
          The Bible doesn't tell you how to run your country because Jesus's kingdom is not of this Earth. In fact, God handed over the kingdoms of the Earth to the devil in the book of Revelation. It's a feature not a flaw.
          "Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn" 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 — birth rates aren't the most important thing, chastity is literally better.

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          • Birth rates are extremely important for a society to continue. One of the most important things actually. After world war 2 the USA was 91% white. Today its only 63% white and within our lifetime we will be less than 50%. What changed? Women started working and having less kids and to fill jobs we have to bring immigrants to replace our dwindling population. This same thing is what destroyed Rome ironically. All of western europes fertility rates are not sustainable. Islam will take over Europe very quickly.

            And as far as muslims having multiple wives I actually lost count of how many prophets/kings had multiple wives in the bible and God was perfectly fine with it. He even encouraged it. Again dont translate my words saying I like Islam but it is more sustainable.

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            • Lol imagine being mad women aren't economically dependent on men anymore and therefore can't be literally forced into marriage. Wholesome family values amirite?

              Again your Bible exegesis sucks. When the early church in the new covenant instituted the sacrament of marriage, it was exclusively monogamous in nature. God made allowances for polygamy in ancient times, but it was not a sign of His leniency, not His approval. Unlike in Islam, Jesus taught marriage relations dissolve in the afterlife — monogamy isn't even the ideal either, the ideal is strict celibacy, monogamy is permitted but not encouraged.

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        • It's weird, because Christian countries used to have balls in the past, like muslim countries have today. But something happened during the past 50-60 years or so.

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          • The sedevacantist viewpoint on that is that Vatican II (which happened 60 years ago) caused a recession of the Catholic Church, causing a collapse of the morality in societies around the world.

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          • Ya know thats the best way to put it shortly. Muslims have balls and christians lost theirs. I think it's because the bible tells you to accept sinners and more is open for interpretation. Its very liberal.

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  • If that makes you feel better, I live in a country where the majority of people are fanatically Christian and believe me, they're the most mediocre, petty people you'll ever meet. A little on the dumb side too. The grass always looks greener on the other side.

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  • I feel you.

    The tough news is that you can only get Jesus if it's really Jesus himself you want, and not all the other social and cultural accoutrements associated with Western Christianity today, which you have cited in your original post.

    The people who just coast off the cosy, privileged 'Christian' culture without really thinking about it may have a very superficial level of actual trust in God himself. The culture seems almost disgustingly cushy when you know that following Jesus himself is anything but an easy ride, and Jesus said that it'd be excruciating when he still walked the earth. The mismatch makes me feel uncomfortable for those who benefit from 'cultural' Christianity. If they do not struggle in any way at all, I wonder if they might have got it wrong somewhere.

    If you were in Afghanistan where Christian converts have their hands cut off and their houses raided, and not some Western country that's nice to Christians, would you still want to be able to believe?

    I think a shameful number of people who call themselves Christian in the Western world would drop Christ like a hot potato if they had to live out their faith somewhere like Afghanistan. It would prove in any case that their real 'god' was their privileges and their creature comforts, and not their maker. It would be better for such people if they had never claimed to follow Christ in the first place, because they would be proven to have been hypocrites, or at least fooling themselves, all along.

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  • Something about Christianity is that anybody can become a Christian if they want to. Spirituality is real and I suggest looking up deliverance and exorcism on youtube if you want to see some strange phenomonon in the name of Jesus Christ in videos. You have to experience spirituality yourself to really get it though. I suggest trying different churches and getting into it yourself if you like it. I will say mainstream Christian culture isn't exactly what Christianity is about though. It isn't about having things easy and a good time. A lot of it is about suffering for the greater good.

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    • Yes, and that itself is the problem, suffering for the greater good, when Christianity should be turned away from Jesus, and shouldn't be selfless but being good, without all the baggage of being a completely sinless wanker, you should make up your own morals, and you should turn the other cheek to the man throwing scalding hot coffee at you and not get personal with creating adult works like films and writing, because you will go to hell if you don't wash your sins.

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      • Our own morals aren't always based on facts of what is true. The thing about turning the other cheek is a moral of not seeking revenge. Not to continue associating with that person. Sexual sin has a good reason for being immoral. It causes stds, unwanted pregnancies, ruins families and there is a lot of abuse in sex work.
        I don't have much to say on the afterlife and the Bible actually doesn't go into extensive detail either. I am under the impression "Hell" is a westernized translation of various words and there seem to traditionally be an assortment of realms, "Tartarus" being the lake of fire in traditional concepts of "Hell". Why people end up at these places is a result of their own choices and creations rather than God wanting to send them there.
        Personally I suspect things like "Hades" "The Abyss" and "Tartarus", etc are various realms that all were translated to "Hell" in the English language. I have a multiple realm theory that isn't common in western Christianity but not inconsistent with the Hebrew Bible.

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        • You're not wrong there, that is, from a Christian point of view, it's real Christianity, it's precisely what the name implies, when things have gone so bad as to destroy my religious beliefs for its own sake, from now on I only have one belief, one philosophy, note that my profile was always wrong and always out of date, you can't go right with these things, that is, not with a profile that was born out of date, it's funny to put it any other way. I'm saying this to remind myself, on my behalf, it's got nothing to do with you.

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  • It's normal, and it's smelly, why can't you just influence yourself to be a Christian? Change your thinking, that's a start, bootstrap yourself teeth locked into prayer biting host over Jesus drinking from the cup. In simple terms, go to a Christian church, it will brainwash you for 70 years, extremely addictive.

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  • Eh, I wouldn't say Christianity is much of a societal norm anymore. Try admitting to being Christian and most people will accuse you of being a pedophile supporter (because clearly all of Christianity = Catholicism and all Catholic priests are sex criminals), retarded, racist, and misogynistic, just to name a few

    Think of any character from a TV series or movie who's openly Christian and they always fall into one of these 3 stereotypes: infuriating moral hypocrite who's meant to be hated, a retarded but well-meaning simpleton, or a strawman for why Christianity as bad and evil. I literally cannot think of a single example of an openly Christian character who's portrayed in a positive light

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  • Check out the video "Why so many cannot believe" by vaticancatholic on YouTube

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    • Are you a Feeneyite?

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    • Okay Ligeia, you unimportant person, I know precisely what to do: have knowledge by never researching, I'm superintellectual as it is, I know a lot.

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      • Why so aggro? I thought OP might enjoy the video.

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      • Are you sure about that?

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        • Yes I'm sure about that, the way things really are is what I think, thus truth is what I think, so if I think I know, it must be true.

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          • Well well well. Looks like someone proved their own statement to be bs.

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            • Reality's all in our minds, it's consciousness, it's something I contemplated, therefore I've come to the truth, if I say I'm not, I don't, didn't, or haven't, then I'm not, and I don't, didn't, or haven't, not, even n't, means, "expressing denial", so it's true because I'm not talking bullshit. By contemplating it a lot, it makes it true in and of itself. There's no genuine action of mine, and by doing that, there's no genuine evil or wrongdoing, everything I behave myself to do is fake, therefore it can't hurt you, there's no unpleasant reality because there's no reality, period, the real truth of the matter, I created reality defiance, and it's better with no consequences like reality.

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  • Understandable. I think a lot of the hate towards (decent, non-hateful) christians is due to jealousy. There is one thing to not believe in God but another to actively tear down and make fun of christians like I always see whenever someone expresses their belief online.
    I've wanted to become religious at times too but unfortunately I can't.
    The closest I can get is becoming a pagan and being a follower of a pagan religion, but it's difficult without knowing any pagans and being used to only celebrating christian holidays. There is definietely comfort in having a belief and a strong community.

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    • Wash that blasphemous tongue of yours, history's already proven that pagans will die, Christians are taking over the world, that includes minorities that you mightn't take seriously, including Puritans, Quakers and Christian Scientists (not scientists, but medical pseudoscience of Christ), has scientific Christians even researched spooky things, or are they worthless trash being selective with their science? The reality is it's a totally different world for Christians, they don't know die hard Christian wannabes like you.

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  • It's funny, but this post makes me think of tourism. If you were raised christian, there's a high chance it doesn't feel all that special. I don't think most have ever even had a mystical experience. The sense of community is definitely real, though. It's like a club, almost.

    But I read this guy describing it as "mainstream" and it just sounds like hardcore FOMO.

    I don't think you're alone, though, so I voted Normal. Everyone who knows a suspicious amount of Bible verses, and isn't a priest, is probably similar. It's not unique to Christianity, either. I don't think it's necessarily because they're jealous most of the time, but just out of curiosity on why so many people follow it.

    However, now I'm wondering how easy it would be to get people into Christianity if you played up the fact that it's basically a sorority (most of the leaders are male, but I'm pretty sure most of the community members are female). There's parties, live music, free stuff, and the loudest, most intense people you've seen on stage since Sam Kinison*.

    *Depending on the church.

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    • Unique to Christianity? The whole mixture of other people's moral and social philosophy of Jesus Christ is unique. Or perhaps the normalised cheat's branch of Christianity which is a stupid cult and not real religion, of watching TV and calling it holy, that's the disgrace of the Church nowadays.

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  • You know… I’ve got another book that can solve all the problems in the world too

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  • Perhaps you have been looking into the wrong sect. What I mean is, if you have been looking into Protestantism, you have simply been looking in the wrong place. Catholicism is where the real truth is.

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    • The real truth?! Har har, it's a scream. Catholicism is the fakest sect I've ever seen, a normalised cult with some elements of weirdness in it, it's silly, popes with staffs defending this ridiculous pompous religion, very silly.

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      • Well, of course, you, being a Puritan, say that, as Puritans are, at their core, anti-Catholic reactionary Anglicans.

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        • You hit the nail on the noggin. I suppose us believing in the same religion, different systems of the same religion, have different truths, but what if your truth's false? I'd rather defend at its essence strict puritanical law for the proud exercising of the Reformation, I'm Reformed and I'm proud of it, everything else is a false creed.

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    • So do I just like… read the Bible or something ?
      Is there a collection of writings or is it like all based on that one book ? Is it going to tell me what to do about it and like what the plan is or what
      Not OP, I know absolutely nothing about religion

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      • The Bible itself is a collection of writings.

        There's the Bible, the writings of the many Saints, and the many magisterial writings. There are many different things to read. Of course, no one can be expected to read all of them, not even a Pope.

        I don't know what you mean by, "Is it going to tell me what to do." If you read them and understood them, you would be led to the truth, but, of course, not everyone does understand them.

        Also, I liked your Communist Manifesto joke; good job with that one.

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        • Ahh, I see, thank you

          I think I was assuming there was an agenda to be pushed and that was the main focus of religions. To sort of “save eachother” type deal. Again I have to repeat I am absolutely clueless about even how to approach religion, though I think I may do some light reading

          Ha ! Thank ya thank ya

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        • Congratulations, the many magisterial writings to make church official, we see you've doubled down on what a boring observer you are. I see we know very well you wear a vestment of pride, turn down your pride young man and beg God to place food in the supermarket, saying grace is so Cache 22, whatever that means. Do you ever talk about Constantine, a known Catholic? Look at you for God's grace, full of way too much substance. Nailed to a tree, does that sound familiar? Look it up religious genius! I can only enjoy religious nonsense, like listening to psalms, reading the Bible, and wearing blue clothes and a cape, your worship. O can you enlighten me in your sedevacantist good advice in the bedside manner?

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          • That made -no- sense. Also, it's "Catch 22", not "Cache 22".

            Bedside manner (and such sorts of things as that) is not my strong suit.

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            • It's a strong suit because everything's good, reality is what you said when you should make sense of what you said without anything else. I don't cause the satisfaction of crazy people like you, it's irrational, it's old beliefs, you should make it up. It's not that I'm right, it's precisely that you're right. The truth is magisteriality is a dick move of Catholics, the truth is all religions are the truth, they're just different opinions, some of those truths are false. That means religion is the rightest thing in the half-universe, and incase you don't know, magisteriality is true of the church, it's just not my church, and it's certainly not my church to believe in sins, there's no such thing as a sin.

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