I probably am, to some people (those people include the OP, probably :P). Everyone's repulsive to someone, somehow, and everyone is repulsed by somebody (I've yet to meet someone who isn't, anyway). All you can do is avoid being repulsed by yourself :)
Sorry, I'm being very picky tonight. It just sounded like you were implying that you are repulsive for calling someone else's beliefs repulsive. Although, while typing this I've just sort of realised what you were actually getting at. Argh, why do I have a habit of misunderstanding what you say?D: It doesn't usually happen to anyone else. Blah, I'm sorry...again:P.
It really isn't your fault, subtlety just goes over my head sometimes. Next time you say something which doesn't make sense to me I'll make sure to read it several times rather than replying to your comment confused and *then* working it out:P.
Yes, beliefs can be repulsive. But to dismiss the people who hold them to be repulsive people prevents you from having a constructive dialogue with them, and that stops you from ever coming to an understanding as to why they hold those beliefs. If you dismiss people to be "repulsive", then you fail to imagine them complexly as people who might have come to their beliefs for perfectly reasonable... reasons :P
That depends. You are seeing it from a "They are repulsive because of their title", I am meaning seeing them as repulsive due to what they say and believe.
People don't just find people repulsive due to their title, they do it because they explored their belief and came to the conclusion that their belief makes them repulsive, not at the start.
That's still looking at things from one perspective. There are some people who identify as "feminists", but that isn't the whole of who they are. Some feminists also believe in environmental issues, some feminists believe in equal rights for different races, some feminists believe in general equality and not just in gender issues. Some feminists believe in correcting the injustices against men that exist.
Just because someone is a feminist and adopts feminist ideology, does not prevent them from having redeeming traits. You'd have to explore the entirety an individual person's belief system before you can judge them based on what they believe, otherwise you are just cherry-picking the parts you don't like like feminism as an excuse to dislike the whole person, because the feminism isn't the whole person. It's a part of the whole person.
I might see a feminist who lives at the extreme end of the feminist spectrum; a "female supremacist" for want of a better word. I would hate that one belief, and I would find it truly repulsive, as should any "right-thinking" person. But that person might also believe in a lot of other social issues I agree with, like drug legalization and gay marriage and saving the environment and the benefits of vegetarianism and animal rights and progressive economics. I would see part of that person's belief system as repulsive, but I could see the rest as fantastic. Labeling that person as repulsive would be the equivalent of taking a delicious, perfect apple, seeing a big old bruise on it and instantly throwing it away, ignoring all the good stuff.
My confession: I find fascists and nazis repulsive.
My question for you: do you find me repulsive? (just because I find them repulsive because of their beliefs)...
I find it wrong to find someone repulsive on the strength of one of their beliefs alone. There were Nazis who did terrible things 70 years ago, but a lot of them were not terrible people.
Maybe I don't find you repulsive, but I do find you ignorant. You can find their beliefs repulsive without finding the people repulsive. When you start finding the people repulsive is where the line is crossed.
No, I mean nazis and fascists today who have not committed any crimes YET, they just believe that people of other races should be killed. No crime in behaviour, just a belief - is it justified to find them repulsive?
Apparently you find only their beliefs repulsive and not those people who are potential new Hitlers. Because of such attitudes holocaust was made possible because people like you were too tolerant and waited until they killed millions and only then found them repulsive.
It is OK to be tolerant. But it is also OK to be aware of the dangers which tolerance towards extreme intolerance might cause.
And I do not believe that you are capable of finding me ignorant. Ignorant people are usually not able to judge other people´s ignorance. At least you will not find me repulsive because of this belief.
I'm not saying I'm not aware of the dangers. I'm just saying I'm not going to jump the gun in terms of being judgmental. If someone does something terrible, I will judge them for it.
"Everyone is a potential new Hitler".
From certain perspective and under certain interpretation of the word "Hitler" it might be true but still I would not reduce the differences between the potentials of different people to do harmful things. Everyone can be dangerous or harmful or whatever. Yes, but it does not mean that there are not any differences here - some people simple have much bigger potential to become harmful or dangerous.
OK, I think that I have gone too far from the OP´s topic. In fact, I think or hope that I can see your point and I have no wish to force you to find certain people repulsive. The reason for my first question for you was that I just wanted to make sure if you really mean it and it seems that you do, so it is perfectly OK. Thanks for the willingness to discuss this issue with me.
Is it normal that I find men who hold feminist beliefs repulsive?
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Does that mean you're repulsive then?:S
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I probably am, to some people (those people include the OP, probably :P). Everyone's repulsive to someone, somehow, and everyone is repulsed by somebody (I've yet to meet someone who isn't, anyway). All you can do is avoid being repulsed by yourself :)
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Sorry, I'm being very picky tonight. It just sounded like you were implying that you are repulsive for calling someone else's beliefs repulsive. Although, while typing this I've just sort of realised what you were actually getting at. Argh, why do I have a habit of misunderstanding what you say?D: It doesn't usually happen to anyone else. Blah, I'm sorry...again:P.
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Haha, don't worry bananas! :P I do type weirdly, it's probably my fault D:
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It really isn't your fault, subtlety just goes over my head sometimes. Next time you say something which doesn't make sense to me I'll make sure to read it several times rather than replying to your comment confused and *then* working it out:P.
...Yeah. Who are those Jews to call Nazis and HItler such things...
I have to disagree with this. Beliefs can be repulsive, and a lot of them are.
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Yes, beliefs can be repulsive. But to dismiss the people who hold them to be repulsive people prevents you from having a constructive dialogue with them, and that stops you from ever coming to an understanding as to why they hold those beliefs. If you dismiss people to be "repulsive", then you fail to imagine them complexly as people who might have come to their beliefs for perfectly reasonable... reasons :P
EDIT: You too should Google Godwin's Law :P
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That depends. You are seeing it from a "They are repulsive because of their title", I am meaning seeing them as repulsive due to what they say and believe.
People don't just find people repulsive due to their title, they do it because they explored their belief and came to the conclusion that their belief makes them repulsive, not at the start.
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That's still looking at things from one perspective. There are some people who identify as "feminists", but that isn't the whole of who they are. Some feminists also believe in environmental issues, some feminists believe in equal rights for different races, some feminists believe in general equality and not just in gender issues. Some feminists believe in correcting the injustices against men that exist.
Just because someone is a feminist and adopts feminist ideology, does not prevent them from having redeeming traits. You'd have to explore the entirety an individual person's belief system before you can judge them based on what they believe, otherwise you are just cherry-picking the parts you don't like like feminism as an excuse to dislike the whole person, because the feminism isn't the whole person. It's a part of the whole person.
I might see a feminist who lives at the extreme end of the feminist spectrum; a "female supremacist" for want of a better word. I would hate that one belief, and I would find it truly repulsive, as should any "right-thinking" person. But that person might also believe in a lot of other social issues I agree with, like drug legalization and gay marriage and saving the environment and the benefits of vegetarianism and animal rights and progressive economics. I would see part of that person's belief system as repulsive, but I could see the rest as fantastic. Labeling that person as repulsive would be the equivalent of taking a delicious, perfect apple, seeing a big old bruise on it and instantly throwing it away, ignoring all the good stuff.
My confession: I find fascists and nazis repulsive.
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I find it wrong to find someone repulsive on the strength of one of their beliefs alone. There were Nazis who did terrible things 70 years ago, but a lot of them were not terrible people.
Maybe I don't find you repulsive, but I do find you ignorant. You can find their beliefs repulsive without finding the people repulsive. When you start finding the people repulsive is where the line is crossed.
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No, I mean nazis and fascists today who have not committed any crimes YET, they just believe that people of other races should be killed. No crime in behaviour, just a belief - is it justified to find them repulsive?
Apparently you find only their beliefs repulsive and not those people who are potential new Hitlers. Because of such attitudes holocaust was made possible because people like you were too tolerant and waited until they killed millions and only then found them repulsive.
It is OK to be tolerant. But it is also OK to be aware of the dangers which tolerance towards extreme intolerance might cause.
And I do not believe that you are capable of finding me ignorant. Ignorant people are usually not able to judge other people´s ignorance. At least you will not find me repulsive because of this belief.
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I'm not saying I'm not aware of the dangers. I'm just saying I'm not going to jump the gun in terms of being judgmental. If someone does something terrible, I will judge them for it.
Everyone is a potential "new Hitler".
Google "Godwin's Law".
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"Everyone is a potential new Hitler".
From certain perspective and under certain interpretation of the word "Hitler" it might be true but still I would not reduce the differences between the potentials of different people to do harmful things. Everyone can be dangerous or harmful or whatever. Yes, but it does not mean that there are not any differences here - some people simple have much bigger potential to become harmful or dangerous.
OK, I think that I have gone too far from the OP´s topic. In fact, I think or hope that I can see your point and I have no wish to force you to find certain people repulsive. The reason for my first question for you was that I just wanted to make sure if you really mean it and it seems that you do, so it is perfectly OK. Thanks for the willingness to discuss this issue with me.