There are 5 million people today that are in hunter gatherer societies, (coincidentally about the same amount there were before agriculture)
As for the rest of us, well, if we're going by the information we have (past 10,000 years) no, there is no value in these ideas. There is yet to be a slave that has become a master.
But it is becoming a more common thought today, that even though it has mysteriously never happened once in 10,000 years feminists today can "smash the patriarchy" (what an insult to women throughout history!)
Masters are just as reliant on this system as slaves. If the system is removed they both starve.
Once an agricultural system has been in use for one generation it no longer becomes a choice. Both the land rich with food that can be foraged and the knowledge to forage it has been destroyed. And all the person's emotional ties are with people living within the agricultural system.
We are unable to interface directly with the land (like every other species on earth) And instead are forced to effectively farm each other.
We all now need money to survive, and the only way we acquire it is convincing others to give theirs away.
I would read up on fractional reserve lending and you can see how money today is created out of thin air, and all of it is essentially a loan that needs to be paid back to the bank (plus interest for which the money does not even exist)
It is rare a person will become confident living within their means that they can make ethical choices and continue to be able to provide for their families, and even rare that the person is right.
I don't fault the rich any more than the poor, none of us chose this.
Today it has become somewhat of a social right of passage to speak out against identity based injustices. I will see people posting on facebook about police brutality, which I believe genuinely saddens them, but also can't help but feel in part they feel they must fulfill this so that their white friends don't doubt that they have the correct opinions to remain in their circle.
If for no reason more, than the slew of equally horrifying non-identity based brutality taking place today, like the 21 million slaves today, millions still in the west. (or "human-trafficking" as its now called) Which once made illegal has become much more reliant on relocation of people, rather than race. Another consequence is slaves are no longer viewed as as much of an investment and are kept often only a couple years and then discarded.
I would say in this way it is even much worse than colonial slavery where you were kept healthy enough not to be on the brink of death, but honestly take your pic when things get this bad it is obviously all bad.
But again, cannot fault white people on facebook, people will be people.
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Specifically to your point about privacy though, I don't speak for the whole younger generation, but growing up with myspace I just saw probably hundreds of thousands of profiles and became numb to seeing a face and name on a screen.
While for my grandparents, in their view it is as if a person is right outside their window creeping on them.
So I guess it is just a matter of perspective, I even have porn of me up online, I don't care, but for that I know I am the minority even for my generation.
Um but yeah, i don't know. I think small scale a lot of great work can be done for the things you were talking about, I think life for gay people in america has definitely had improvements in a real way to point to one specific case.
It took me years to get to here though, the anger against oppression is real, but the fact that oppression is still here is realer.
i'm sure this reads dismal as fuck. And I think that agriculturally based societies just have the quality of perpetuating themselves even though they are not good. I think fairly soon either climate disaster or nuclear warfare will bring an end to it, and this 10,000 year mistake of technological society will be a blip on the timeline of the millions of years of human history that preceded it, and millions more to come after it.
Is it normal that I don't want to fight for people/ideas anymore?
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There are 5 million people today that are in hunter gatherer societies, (coincidentally about the same amount there were before agriculture)
As for the rest of us, well, if we're going by the information we have (past 10,000 years) no, there is no value in these ideas. There is yet to be a slave that has become a master.
But it is becoming a more common thought today, that even though it has mysteriously never happened once in 10,000 years feminists today can "smash the patriarchy" (what an insult to women throughout history!)
Masters are just as reliant on this system as slaves. If the system is removed they both starve.
Once an agricultural system has been in use for one generation it no longer becomes a choice. Both the land rich with food that can be foraged and the knowledge to forage it has been destroyed. And all the person's emotional ties are with people living within the agricultural system.
We are unable to interface directly with the land (like every other species on earth) And instead are forced to effectively farm each other.
We all now need money to survive, and the only way we acquire it is convincing others to give theirs away.
I would read up on fractional reserve lending and you can see how money today is created out of thin air, and all of it is essentially a loan that needs to be paid back to the bank (plus interest for which the money does not even exist)
It is rare a person will become confident living within their means that they can make ethical choices and continue to be able to provide for their families, and even rare that the person is right.
I don't fault the rich any more than the poor, none of us chose this.
Today it has become somewhat of a social right of passage to speak out against identity based injustices. I will see people posting on facebook about police brutality, which I believe genuinely saddens them, but also can't help but feel in part they feel they must fulfill this so that their white friends don't doubt that they have the correct opinions to remain in their circle.
If for no reason more, than the slew of equally horrifying non-identity based brutality taking place today, like the 21 million slaves today, millions still in the west. (or "human-trafficking" as its now called) Which once made illegal has become much more reliant on relocation of people, rather than race. Another consequence is slaves are no longer viewed as as much of an investment and are kept often only a couple years and then discarded.
I would say in this way it is even much worse than colonial slavery where you were kept healthy enough not to be on the brink of death, but honestly take your pic when things get this bad it is obviously all bad.
But again, cannot fault white people on facebook, people will be people.
~
Specifically to your point about privacy though, I don't speak for the whole younger generation, but growing up with myspace I just saw probably hundreds of thousands of profiles and became numb to seeing a face and name on a screen.
While for my grandparents, in their view it is as if a person is right outside their window creeping on them.
So I guess it is just a matter of perspective, I even have porn of me up online, I don't care, but for that I know I am the minority even for my generation.
Um but yeah, i don't know. I think small scale a lot of great work can be done for the things you were talking about, I think life for gay people in america has definitely had improvements in a real way to point to one specific case.
It took me years to get to here though, the anger against oppression is real, but the fact that oppression is still here is realer.
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i'm sure this reads dismal as fuck. And I think that agriculturally based societies just have the quality of perpetuating themselves even though they are not good. I think fairly soon either climate disaster or nuclear warfare will bring an end to it, and this 10,000 year mistake of technological society will be a blip on the timeline of the millions of years of human history that preceded it, and millions more to come after it.