Yes go to scientifically educated doctors go and see if they will be able to get a paralyzed person to push out their own wheel chair in one doctors visit let's see them cure a person of brain cancer taking away all traces that the cancer ever existed. Let's see them heal the blind like I've witnessed with my own eyes the healing of the Lord if you want to live in your own little world be my guest you say with science you see all the facts open your eyes and you'll see there are things greater than science. I've seen people of eighty with ten percent hearing throw away their hearing aids I've seen peoples legs grow yes a doctor can do that too but it won't be your leg when your buying it in a shop.
Really tell me what's greater being full of plastic and metal or having what God gave you without little gadgets you have to replace every few years. Tell me how a little girl who had no hope of ever walking because ' scientifically educated doctors' told her there was nothing they could do, how did she suddenly stand up and walk really can someone really be that dense and blind to the facts right in front of them. Now you tell me what is child negligence removing all hope of ever having a normal life or ridding them all the problems that keep them from living a full happy life? What would you want for your children?
You would think these 'miracles' would be made publicly available?
Actually, for some (unknown) reason, it is my understanding that religious people feel that science tries to hide certain things, ie like miracles being performed, and also how they may not know as much as they promote?
This couldn't be further from the truth.
Science WELCOMES everything. Scientists are extremely happy to speak of any 'miracle' that is beyond the scope of their present understanding, even if it was 'God's' will.
But, strangely there have been ZERO reported 'miracles'?? ZERO! I mean this even includes the miracles written in the Bible (some 2000 years ago in the Middle East) EVEN those miracles are reported officially as false, No evidence, No other literature on the subject or person, nothing!
So unless you think these 'healing' churches are hiding their 'miracles'. They just DON'T happen.
It would be wonderous if people could actually see or walk again, if they weren't able to before. But nothing written anywhere (except obviously in the church and in Pastor's minds) NO news article (unbiased of course) NOTHING.
So why would science 'hide' these things? I'd actually seriously like to know what is in the minds of religious people? You honestly feel that 'science' or scientists would hide these miracles? Crazy thoughts.
IF anyone, or any church, or any 'divine' action EVER happens (so far NOTHING) then science would be investigating it until the end of time. But there is no investigation on miracles or 'divine' action from the Lord, again NOTHING.
I am positive that religious people feel that science is against them. They are NOT. Simply science states just to confirm the person who could not see or walk to get a scientific analysis of their situation, and then to attend church and witness the 'miracle'! BUT the only facts here are we don't actually know if 1. Were they REALLY blind to begin with 2. Can they now really see? As yet NO evidence, not even a miniscle, NOTHING!
Next you say you witnessed this yourself.
You are not a doctor or a scientist, and therefore what you feel you saw may not be the truth (highly likely actually 100%)
The next time you attend one of these churches say STOP everyone, the world should know about this miracle, and science is open arms to new discoveries. Get this handicapped or blind person tested fully publicly first, until its scientifically conclusive, THEN perform the miracle.
Strangely the church have never agreed to this. And the initial 'doctor's' report, seems to always come from a 'religious' person of the same church?! You'd think they'd want to show the world these miracles? Unless of course they are UNTRUE. ;)
I'm going to quote Richard Dawkins from The God Delusion, because it is relevant here (Do note, he is a scientist)
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Yes I may not be a scientist but these people He heals have been in my church for years I can say without a doubt that they were blind and paralyzed and they are publicly available if you went on youtube you'll see what your asking for. And come on really how many magazines are there with the miracles your looking for don't tell me these people are just lying scientists may give you the facts but were you there did you see everything and can you say with complete honesty that everything thy're stating is correct when you weren't there? NO and you follow it blindly by faith so tell are we really that different. What is different from you following results blindly and from me following something I have seen with my own eyes.
And of course Richard Dawkins will say that and do you know why because he went in search of things God supposedly did wrong he went with the close mindedness you answer me back with everyday. Do you know why he said those things because he understands absolutely nothing of what he read how could he when he was only searching for ammunition he could break faith with and I'm telling you he is not winning because this is the first time in my life I've heard about him and I love to read. Just know I'll be praying that God will open your eyes and saying that I'm not trying to push religion down your throat I just feel I have too.
I am not blindly following science!
I do not need to go to space to confirm the world is round. (this example mentioned earlier, not sure here or somewhere else)
Why I agree with evolution is because its the BEST known understanding of where we all came from.
You say (I think, but I'm positive that you wouldn't want to embarrass yourself) THAT God just popped man into existence and also magically created the Earth etc etc etc. I can't begin to tell you how utterly ridiculous that sounds! It is ridiculous!
Here's a thought (proven too) The universe began by the 'Big Bang' where all matter was spread out (and continues to spread out) It then cooled and the gases formed solids.
Hmm, I don't know (!!!) but I think the 'evolution' story sounds more correct, Don't You?
We actually teach it (evolution) to all public school children.
Whereas 'religion' has been banned.
As for Richard cherry picking the 'bad stuff'. The bible (and qur'an) is the most horrible immoral fiction book of all time.
Since you agree that it must be interpreted, please keep it as far away as possible from ALL children.
See 'it's the best known understanding of where we all come from' your still going with what other people say not what you know which at this point is nothing concrete no one knows what caused the big bang so again I ask what's difference between me believing in God or you believing in the big bang when you don't even know what caused it.
Yes evolution is taught at public schools and we've been through the reason why. Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus says have faith like a child you know why a child will be able to interpret the Bible without problems it is because they're not trying to look smart while reading the Word when you want to look smart you complicate something.
That's what we're doing taking something that's so easy to understand and turning it into something above our level of understanding.
I'm starting to think you're just messing around with me. Anyway I dearly hope so!
Understanding 'god' is a trillion trillion times harder than understanding something that naturally evolved.
As for children being 'smart', yes I'm positive that's frowned upon in the church! Trying to be smart or worldly knowledgeable or intelligently asking why and how, and then seeking these answers, is NOT complicating things. On the contrary what it does is put our minds at ease.
Having godly 'faith' would have to be the most confusing and idiotic 'feeling' that anyone could have.
As for ME not knowing or giving reasons for the Big Bang??
In your case its, YOU give up, um, some supernatural made it! < Idiotic ignorance.
I want to end this debate of you not getting anywhere, just by saying that it is NOT us against you. There are NO sides to this. I speak of known FACTS, you speak of fiction and feelings! I hope you change your mind one day, because facts will remain the same.
I re-read your post, no one could be that stupid. You are seriously making a fool or yourself.
Children could be reading here. NOTE: God delusion is Not the way to reality and reason.
Get better soon. ;)
And to think you're the one that said " ALL religious people do when losing an intelligent debate." when getting angry and that's clearly what's happening now because you know I'm right. And don't blame me for you wanting to end this just because you don't have anymore 'common sense' to throw at me and I hope you'll come to realise that I'm speaking the truth when talking of God and that you'll get saved before it's too late and don't worry about replying.
I wish you have a good life and to " Get better soon. :)"
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Yes go to scientifically educated doctors go and see if they will be able to get a paralyzed person to push out their own wheel chair in one doctors visit let's see them cure a person of brain cancer taking away all traces that the cancer ever existed. Let's see them heal the blind like I've witnessed with my own eyes the healing of the Lord if you want to live in your own little world be my guest you say with science you see all the facts open your eyes and you'll see there are things greater than science. I've seen people of eighty with ten percent hearing throw away their hearing aids I've seen peoples legs grow yes a doctor can do that too but it won't be your leg when your buying it in a shop.
Really tell me what's greater being full of plastic and metal or having what God gave you without little gadgets you have to replace every few years. Tell me how a little girl who had no hope of ever walking because ' scientifically educated doctors' told her there was nothing they could do, how did she suddenly stand up and walk really can someone really be that dense and blind to the facts right in front of them. Now you tell me what is child negligence removing all hope of ever having a normal life or ridding them all the problems that keep them from living a full happy life? What would you want for your children?
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You would think these 'miracles' would be made publicly available?
Actually, for some (unknown) reason, it is my understanding that religious people feel that science tries to hide certain things, ie like miracles being performed, and also how they may not know as much as they promote?
This couldn't be further from the truth.
Science WELCOMES everything. Scientists are extremely happy to speak of any 'miracle' that is beyond the scope of their present understanding, even if it was 'God's' will.
But, strangely there have been ZERO reported 'miracles'?? ZERO! I mean this even includes the miracles written in the Bible (some 2000 years ago in the Middle East) EVEN those miracles are reported officially as false, No evidence, No other literature on the subject or person, nothing!
So unless you think these 'healing' churches are hiding their 'miracles'. They just DON'T happen.
It would be wonderous if people could actually see or walk again, if they weren't able to before. But nothing written anywhere (except obviously in the church and in Pastor's minds) NO news article (unbiased of course) NOTHING.
So why would science 'hide' these things? I'd actually seriously like to know what is in the minds of religious people? You honestly feel that 'science' or scientists would hide these miracles? Crazy thoughts.
IF anyone, or any church, or any 'divine' action EVER happens (so far NOTHING) then science would be investigating it until the end of time. But there is no investigation on miracles or 'divine' action from the Lord, again NOTHING.
I am positive that religious people feel that science is against them. They are NOT. Simply science states just to confirm the person who could not see or walk to get a scientific analysis of their situation, and then to attend church and witness the 'miracle'! BUT the only facts here are we don't actually know if 1. Were they REALLY blind to begin with 2. Can they now really see? As yet NO evidence, not even a miniscle, NOTHING!
Next you say you witnessed this yourself.
You are not a doctor or a scientist, and therefore what you feel you saw may not be the truth (highly likely actually 100%)
The next time you attend one of these churches say STOP everyone, the world should know about this miracle, and science is open arms to new discoveries. Get this handicapped or blind person tested fully publicly first, until its scientifically conclusive, THEN perform the miracle.
Strangely the church have never agreed to this. And the initial 'doctor's' report, seems to always come from a 'religious' person of the same church?! You'd think they'd want to show the world these miracles? Unless of course they are UNTRUE. ;)
I'm going to quote Richard Dawkins from The God Delusion, because it is relevant here (Do note, he is a scientist)
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
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Yes I may not be a scientist but these people He heals have been in my church for years I can say without a doubt that they were blind and paralyzed and they are publicly available if you went on youtube you'll see what your asking for. And come on really how many magazines are there with the miracles your looking for don't tell me these people are just lying scientists may give you the facts but were you there did you see everything and can you say with complete honesty that everything thy're stating is correct when you weren't there? NO and you follow it blindly by faith so tell are we really that different. What is different from you following results blindly and from me following something I have seen with my own eyes.
And of course Richard Dawkins will say that and do you know why because he went in search of things God supposedly did wrong he went with the close mindedness you answer me back with everyday. Do you know why he said those things because he understands absolutely nothing of what he read how could he when he was only searching for ammunition he could break faith with and I'm telling you he is not winning because this is the first time in my life I've heard about him and I love to read. Just know I'll be praying that God will open your eyes and saying that I'm not trying to push religion down your throat I just feel I have too.
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I am not blindly following science!
I do not need to go to space to confirm the world is round. (this example mentioned earlier, not sure here or somewhere else)
Why I agree with evolution is because its the BEST known understanding of where we all came from.
You say (I think, but I'm positive that you wouldn't want to embarrass yourself) THAT God just popped man into existence and also magically created the Earth etc etc etc. I can't begin to tell you how utterly ridiculous that sounds! It is ridiculous!
Here's a thought (proven too) The universe began by the 'Big Bang' where all matter was spread out (and continues to spread out) It then cooled and the gases formed solids.
Hmm, I don't know (!!!) but I think the 'evolution' story sounds more correct, Don't You?
We actually teach it (evolution) to all public school children.
Whereas 'religion' has been banned.
As for Richard cherry picking the 'bad stuff'. The bible (and qur'an) is the most horrible immoral fiction book of all time.
Since you agree that it must be interpreted, please keep it as far away as possible from ALL children.
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See 'it's the best known understanding of where we all come from' your still going with what other people say not what you know which at this point is nothing concrete no one knows what caused the big bang so again I ask what's difference between me believing in God or you believing in the big bang when you don't even know what caused it.
Yes evolution is taught at public schools and we've been through the reason why. Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus says have faith like a child you know why a child will be able to interpret the Bible without problems it is because they're not trying to look smart while reading the Word when you want to look smart you complicate something.
That's what we're doing taking something that's so easy to understand and turning it into something above our level of understanding.
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I'm starting to think you're just messing around with me. Anyway I dearly hope so!
Understanding 'god' is a trillion trillion times harder than understanding something that naturally evolved.
As for children being 'smart', yes I'm positive that's frowned upon in the church! Trying to be smart or worldly knowledgeable or intelligently asking why and how, and then seeking these answers, is NOT complicating things. On the contrary what it does is put our minds at ease.
Having godly 'faith' would have to be the most confusing and idiotic 'feeling' that anyone could have.
As for ME not knowing or giving reasons for the Big Bang??
In your case its, YOU give up, um, some supernatural made it! < Idiotic ignorance.
I want to end this debate of you not getting anywhere, just by saying that it is NOT us against you. There are NO sides to this. I speak of known FACTS, you speak of fiction and feelings! I hope you change your mind one day, because facts will remain the same.
I re-read your post, no one could be that stupid. You are seriously making a fool or yourself.
Children could be reading here. NOTE: God delusion is Not the way to reality and reason.
Get better soon. ;)
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And to think you're the one that said " ALL religious people do when losing an intelligent debate." when getting angry and that's clearly what's happening now because you know I'm right. And don't blame me for you wanting to end this just because you don't have anymore 'common sense' to throw at me and I hope you'll come to realise that I'm speaking the truth when talking of God and that you'll get saved before it's too late and don't worry about replying.
I wish you have a good life and to " Get better soon. :)"