Is it normal that i am confounded by unproductivity?

I am confounded by able-bodied people who do nothing. By nothing, I mean they have no real goals in life. People who party and do little else, sit at home all day with no obligations to do anything (except maybe some housework to "contribute"), my friends that party, smoke pot, and live off of others.

There are so many options out there. Volunteer work, college, the work-force (I put out 20 applications a day for a month to get a job but then again I really wanted a job), military, odd-jobs, internships, raising kids... hell, even joining a hippie drum circle. At least you have some sort of goal.

I'm not saying that I have negative feelings for those people, and I am not attacking anyone that lives this sort of lifestyle. I'm not saying that everyone should be an awesome achiever of sorts, and I am not saying that people that DO go to college and so on and so forth are productive, but just not doing anything?

is it normal that the concept of not doing anything confounds me?

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  • I'm a very low energy person, and I've been shackled with a crippling lack of anxiety for the better part of my life. It's less appetizing than it sounds. I stand in stark contrast to you - I'm confounded by goals.

    Let me tell you a story:
    During an art class in college, I was walking by a trash can when I saw a canvas peeking out from under the rubble. Intrigued by its stare, I took it out and looked it over for several minutes. It was searing with beautiful billows of color and texture and form. A classmate walked by and told me that it was hers - so I asked why it was in the trash, and she told me that it was a "mistake". She showed me a sketch of what she originally wanted. I took the trash painting home.

    I am continually perplexed by our success-failure dichotomy. We live in a linearly goal-driven society, and our blueprints are marked with our current position A and our goal position B. Anything that strays from a straight line to position B is automatically deemed a failure. A "mistake", irrespective of its innate beauty.

    This isn't meant to do away with goals - goals steer us to the most wonderful places. But it's important to let oneself be steered away from the road sometimes, because if we don't, we end up racing past the most scenic stops. I don't want to discard any more beauty. And I still have that trash painting.

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  • Think about where we as a species have come from.

    There was a time when merely surviving, protecting the family and reproducing would have been the paramount goals in our ancestor's lives. Forget about 'becoming successful in a business, getting a promotion, setting up your own business' etc. Forget about becoming internationally renowned for your brilliant work. Simply existing for as long as possible was the goal.

    Since those times in many countries (not all) there exists a structure that makes it exceptionally easy for us as a species to achieve that goal. It's very easy for most people in rich countries to survive. In fact, so easy, that it opens the list of goals up to an abundance of varied options.

    However, some people are content to merely achieve that initial goal. They are gratified by simply living. They desire very little.

    The only contentious point is when people like this survive off the productivity of others and don't return the favour. That is being unfairly selfish. The solution to this is to remove the support enabling them to coast along on other people's labour.

    But for those who provide the bare minimum for themselves, where's the problem? They don't necessarily want the things you want and vice versa.

    It seems to me if someone's only goal in life is to live, then their ideal existence is one that is extremely obtainable. Sounds good to me :)

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    • If you're not living off of welfare and you're providing for yourself than most likely, you have a job and are doing something. I listed that in my post as doing something. Please note that. I also don't remember stating that I had a problem with simply providing yourself, please point it out to me.

      Sorry, didn't mean to dismiss your answer. It is a fantastic answer. But the concept of not having any means to support yourself and living off of others makes no sense to me XD

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      • I was really just addressing your statement "I am confounded by able-bodied people who do nothing. By nothing, I mean they have no real goals in life."

        I don't think of having a job as, by definition, having a goal. So I thought you included those who have a job but have no goals in your confusion. But I think I just misunderstood your point! Sorry, I should read things more carefully sometimes :)

        But I don't really see why you're confused by people who are content to be unproductive? Different people want different things. Some people live for pleasure, are pebbles content to roll along the bottom of the river as long as they can get stoned (no pun intended) or party or get some kind of gratification from something. Other people aspire to be mountains, impact the world around them, be as powerful, rich, creative as possible. Then there are all the people in between (like me).

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        • I am not the most ambitious person on earth, I will admit, but doing nothing? I don't understand the happiness that can be attained from having no means of self-support, no reason to leave the house unless it is to get intoxicated. How do they even get money to smoke the weed, bumming it off of others? That would make me uncomfortable.

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          • It would make me feel uncomfortable too. But perhaps that's why most people don't do it; because they see it as morally dubious. Those people happy to live off others, go out only to get wasted, clearly don't have that sensitive a conscious for whatever reason (I'd usually assume it was down to their upbringing).

            Some people never grow out of that childish dependency, and in some way I can understand how it might be appealing. If you're fed, watered, sheltered and given some kind of allowance (to buy weed or whatever) virtually for free, without having to lift a finger, the basics are covered. That, to some people, is bliss.

            Like I tried to demonstrate with my terrible rock analogy, you have the pebbles rolling along the bottom and the mountains everything moves around, then all the rocks in between. People have different trajectories and aspirations, some people are content with little if they can get it without trying too hard, other people struggle for more.

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            • Yeah, I understand that. I just can not fathom the thought of my being young, able-bodied and mentally competant and not doing anything with my life =/

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  • This story links in with a bit of psychology called the Jacob Goldsmith theory. It posits that there are two main types of personality: Type A and Type B (there is also a less common Type C).

    Type A people are most commonly ambitious, target-driven, obsessive organisers and time-keepers and pro-active. They can also be hostile, easily irritated and exasperated and "short-fused".

    Type B people are usually in direct contrast, often described as relaxed, easy-going and patient, but with very little sense of time-management, disorganised and lacking urgency.

    Type A people often have better jobs because they're more driven and "goal-orientated", which our society tends to reward financially. It is also claimed that Type A people have a much higher chance of suffering from Coronary Heart Disease (CHD), but this is much disputed to the point where it's unlikely to be true.

    I digress; what I'm trying to say is that these personality types aren't things people can change. Just as you can't "take it easy", slow down and have fun all the time, the people of your inverse can't speed up, self-motivate, self-improve and constantly work.

    They are as confounded about your behaviour as you are theirs; they don't understand why you have an internal drive to do things just as you don't understand their drive not to.

    Hope this was interesting or useful, or at least worth your time. And excuse the psychological theory lesson!

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    • Actually, I am very familiar with this methodology in reference to personality type. I have been taught this in classes that they offer for my occupation.

      Proving the personality type theory, the class was voluntary for a security certification. It offered a $200 check for a 6 hour class and provided certification that made you more likely for promotion. It is offered every 6 months and out of the hundreds of employees that out company employs in our area, about 12 showed up.

      But this was worth reading. I really had not even thought of Goldsmith's theory in regards to my confusion. You're right, I'm betting that my behavior could be seen as confusing to some. I like that you took the analytical approach to my question. A+ Answer.

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  • I have little to no motivation to go anywhere in life. I want that to change, but I don't see it happening. I try to push myself to give myself a reason to accomplish things, but I can't find that reason. Nothing interests me enough to work towards it. Perhaps in a year or two I will become more motivated. I do college, but I don't have motivation to find a job, but I want to be motivated.

    Some people have no guidence from their motivation to what they can achieve.

    Believe me when it I tell you that people that don't work towards anything, some of them atleast, are confounded by their own lack of motivation towards achievement.

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    • Same boat here, dude.
      I picked Criminal Justice because it is easy. Not sure what I am going to do with that degree.

      And as far as working goes, when I am not working or doing anything, I feel utterly useless. Not everyone has that problem. I happened upon my job by chance.

      I'm one of those people that feels that work and prayer will provide you with all of the answers you are ready for though. It's worked for me so far.

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    • I am not really suggesting you do this, but you strike me as someone who might do very well in the military ItDuz.

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      • Something I have considered. I'm not sure if I will, though. I know that if I am going downhill to the point of knowing I'm going nowhere in life, the military is something I'll do. It's kind of a back up plan, but something I think might happen in the end.

        The bad thing is that a lot is expected from you in the military, so I'll probably get harsh treatment, but the good thing about that is that the harshness of it will get me motivated.

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  • i think most of those people you mentioned probably have something to give, maybe they just don't give freely. or maybe what they create is invisible. some people seem to want to live off others and not create anythings, but among these people with some it is only an illusion, and with others it's closer to the truth. even though they seem to do nothing, they have created a sense of confoundment within you, and that is something.

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  • I always advise teens to do everything while you are young and have the energy to do so - do not waste that time coz when you get old, you get tired and world-weary with the weight of responsibilities and kids :o(

    I agree with you. While you have the energy for 2 or 3 jobs, get up and go!! Enjoy meeting different people and if possible stash the cash for when you get sensible :o)

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    • So rather than work a job and make enough to be happy and maybe go out and party and travel and do some interesting things with their youth, you say just be workhorses, so you can be workhorses for the rest of your life, and maybe go to Disneyworld and do some cruises when you retire?

      I'm not saying do nothing with your life, but if you want to do some adventurous or stupid shit, might as well be when you're young and able bodied. Plenty of time to settle down and marry and have a career. And don't lose sight of that, but if you dedicate your entire life to work work work what enjoyment can you find?

      Some people in this world are so poor all they have is money.

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      • Each to their own - I just said work, coz I love working and stashing the cash enabled me to retire at 30 and live mortgage free. I travelled in my teens and have no further interest in it. Nothing is work if it's something you enjoy. So NeuroNeptune playing the drums gives her a reason to get up in the morning. It's creating memories that is much more important that what you actually do. Some teens waste years in front of the TV or computer screens gaming etc. Get out there with people and have fun while you have the energy!!

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        • Wow, congratulations on your good fortune. :) My primary interest being the visual arts I don't plan on anything quite so successful early on.

          And I think that's what I was really getting on to... I care more about good memories, interesting experiences and any chance to learn or broaden my horizon than living simply to put food on my plate. I do want to work.. I just feel that a lot of people get too caught up in all that and don't put it in perspective properly with the rest of their lives :)

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          • Absolutely - and they are boring, boring, boring. I hated working in offices and towing the line so I also worked in a bar and renovating houses in my spare time.

            My crap childhood meant that I saw education and financial security as important to me.

            At my age, I truly believe that the most important thing in this life is having a laugh every day. I have some lovely friends but I only associate with people now who are great fun and make me laugh soooo much.

            Enjoy whatever you do :o)

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        • Haha wish I was that sensible. Before getting an apartment I had a hard time saving money because I enjoyed eating out too much. Spending 18 years eating nothing but canned and frozen food and fast food and now I can eat good food!? Yeah haha. I don't have time for more that one full time job though. I'm a full time student =\

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          • I was born 'sensible' :o( but as a tudent partying etc never really cost me that much. I bought my first house at 18 (to renovate) but when I met my husband at 23 he had a loan for a motorbike!! Each to their own as I say! I have enjoyed my life to the full and I have no regrets for any decisions that I have made.

            I had a crap childhood and have recently fallen into poor health - but funnily enough, my husband says I always make a remarkable recovery at the weekends, when I head out clubbing :o)

            Whatever you do with your youth - get out there and enjoy it!!

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      • Please note that I included having a job as something one can be "doing" with their life. I neglected to list travel.

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        • I was replying to joybird saying to work 3 jobs while you're young. No need to dedicate all of your youth to labor is how I see it, there are many things equally important.

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          • Whoops, ok that didn't show up on my phone.

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          • Oh. Understood. The point that I am trying to make is that I feel that people who are able bodied should do something of progress or fulfillment, enrichment etc. I hope you understand what I am stating.

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            • For sure. I think I'm about to be re-employed myself and I can't wait. I've felt pretty useless being out of school and work... pulling myself out of a financial rut XD

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    • So then I guess it is normal to think that my friends are wasting their youth. =\

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      • Sadly yes :o( A decision they will live to regret, especially when they look back and have no memories / funny tales to tell their children and grandchildren. Plus, you are all gorgeous looking when you are young so it's the best time to meet people. Enjoy every day!

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        • LOL an elder at my church said something like that. "Don't be so down on yourself for your looks. 20 years from now you'll wish you still looked like that" haha. That made me feel great.

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          • They were 100% right!!

            I look back at photos of me and wish someone had told me how good-looking I actually was. I've never worried about how I look but recently (ahem) it takes a little while longer preparing to go out at the weekend - I had to start today ;o)

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  • I understand your point, but I fail to see how joining a hippie drum circle is somehow more productive than being a party person. They kind of seem like the same thing to me.

    Anyway though, I think your complaints are legit.

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    • I see making music and traveling as better than indiscriminate drinking with literally no plan for the next day.

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      • I'm too tired to argue, but I do see your point. Some people just give everybody a bad name though I think. Also, our definitions of the word hippie might be a bit different. Whereas you see a hippie as a 'music loving traveler,' I see hippies as more of a 'music loving drug enthusiast/freeloader.' My negative perceptions could just be an over-generalization of the negative connotation that the word "hippie" tends to carry. Lol, I don't even know where I'm going with this or if any of that even made sense up there ^

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  • But they are doing something with their lives- partying and freeloading.

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  • @NeuroNeptunian yeah i was in my bad job & the college i was at messed my grades/ exams up but its all fixed now (: i get too resit in june & start my degree after summer haha. my friends act like 5 year olds & blame it silly things like not having the money too afford to college which really annoys me as i am homeless. again! WHATISMYLIFE. XD

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  • I feel the same! i seem too be the only one in my friend grop that does anything! i finally get too start my degree this year & most of them dont even want too study fo a national certificate (the lowest grade here) ! they are ll out getting drunk/pregnant/laid & make fun of me coz i actually have ambition!!! i am livid.

    Its coz they all get spoilt off their parents i think...

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    • Sounds like my group of friends.
      Some of them do sober up and go work minimum wage jobs. I'm proud of them. Until they start bitching about how everyone else is useless. Weren't you on the other end of that paradigm 5 months ago XD

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