You just identified why you are having trouble losing/maintaining your weight.
"Quick fix diets". There is no "quick fix" to being healthy. It takes commitment and discipline and dedication. If you aren't willing to put in the time (and believe me it is time) than you won't see results.
And you just jumped to conclusions. I wasn't talking about myself in relation to the quick fix diets. I've tried the longterm commitment over decades and it just does not work for everyone.
To give only one example, I was well on the way to getting down to a lower weight when a cholesterol lowering medication I was on caused me to put on more than 10 kilos in about a month and 3 years later I still haven't been able to get it off again.
I think you should stop making unfounded assumptions and judgments about people when you don't know their circumstances: in other words, as I've already said, mind you own business
People aren't born fat. Sorry it's just genetically impossible to make that argument. I really don't care if you think I'm judgmental or not. If the medication you were taking caused people to become fat it wouldn't have passed the FDA trials that it has to go through before it can be marketed to consumers. And/or be immediately taken off the market because a slew of lawsuits would be filed against it.
Take responsibility for your health. And if you don't like someone commenting in a way that goes against what your opinion is than you are on the wrong website.
So no-one is born fat? Never seen a very large fat baby? What rubbish! If I knew how I could put some 68 yo baby photo's on here: believe me, I was a VERY fat baby. "Genetically impossible"? I didn't say it had anything to do with genes, I was just stating a fact, but you seem to think you know more about my infancy than I do.
You're very ignorant: it's very well established that LOTS of medications, especially anti-depressants, cause some people to put on weight and they've all been approved because weight gain isn't regarded as a serious side effect.
You don't know what you're talking about when you refer to a "slew of lawsuits": do you really believe that everyone who experiences negative effects from medication can go running off to court to sue the pharmaceutical companies? That's just ridiculous.
I do take responsibility for my health: for example I've lowered my BP to a healthy level with meditation and exercise, but so far my weight is beyond my control.
Everything is within your control, it's YOUR body and YOUR life. If you are looking for justification for being overweight, you won't get it from me. I don't care how many medications you profess to being prescribed. Being a healthy individual begins with good life decisions. If you enjoy eating unhealthy foods, by all means have at it (literally).
But if you think you're fooling anyone you are dead wrong.
Babies aren't born to be "fat". It isn't something that a human being is destined to become. It's a product of poor upbringing regarding dietary choices which results in poor dietary choices as an adult.
Just to be clear, I am not speaking to her specific medication or situation, I am speaking in general. Medications can not cause someone to gain or lose weight, but they can cause changes in the body which can have that effect. If someone is maintaining a healthy weight based on their normal eating and activity routine, and they they start taking a medication which lowers their matabalisim, they may start to gain weight doing exactly what they were doing before. There are many medications for which these types of effects are know. Insulin for example increases the amount of calories your body absorbs into the cells. These are not considered serious side effects, and medications with known side effects can and do pass FDA approval all the time.
Like I said medication by itself can't cause weight gain. Adjustments can me made, such as eating less, or increasing activity to counteract these types of effect. Everyone is capable of making the adjustments they personally need to achieve weight loss. But because some people do have different metabolism rates, take medication, or other situations that may personally effect them, the exact amount of caloric intake vs activity is not the same for everyone.
What you do to maintain your weight might seem easy or manageable for you. But someone else do do exactly what you do and gain weight. To be at your weight, they may require additional sacrifice and commitment that you don't. Because you don't require that additional effort, it is impossible for you to say that you would do it.
You are splitting hairs: if the medication causes changes in the metabolism that result in increased weight then it IS the medication which is causing it!
The fact that I'm having to defend myself repeatedly is yet another example of how fat people are demonised. I was losing weight, went on a particular medication and with no change in diet or exercise put on a lot of weight very quickly which I'm still carrying.
Around that time I faithfully kept a two month food diary and consulted a dietician who said my diet was healthy and nutritious and she couldn't see how I could change it to lose weight.
It's so easy for slim people or people who've had no problems losing weight to judge others AND I AM SICK SICK SICK OF IT
I think you completely missed the point of my post which was that even if a medication doesn't cause weight gain directly, reactions of the body to that medication can ultimately have the same effect, which is exactly what you just said. As I said in the first line, my post wasn't about you or your situation, but it was certainly supportive of your position. I was not splitting hairs, I was offering another way to look at it.
Because you offered, I will point out that if what you just said about your nutritionist is true, then the person was a moron. As I said in my post, the exact same methods do not work for everyone. Just because what they thought was correct, and might have been for many people, if you were gaining weight, it was clearly wrong for you. As such, the nutritionist should have made adjustments based on your individual situation. If they honestly felt you were eating the bear minimum, they could have recommended more activity to burn a larger number of calories.
The whole point of seeing a nutritionist is to get an individualized course of action that is right for you. If they are just going to give you a one size fits all assessment, you might as well have just bought a nutrition book instead.
By the way, I am not some skinny person judging fat people. I am carrying quite a few extra pounds myself. Though I am happy to admit I am not struggling with my weight. My current food vs activity ratios makes me happy, I don't mind at all a few extra pounds, and am very happy to stay as I am.
Have you ever heard of hypothyroidism? There's numerous conditions that cause people to be more prone to weight gain. And there are several medications, such as steroids given for auto-immune disease, which cause weight gain. You should do a little more research before you make such broad claims about health and medicine.
Being more prone to weight gain does not at all or in any way guarantee that a person will automatically be a huge fatass and should completely resign themselves to being overweight.
Exercise and eating right does work. If you aren't exercising enough or eating in the right ways that is quite likely the reason the weight isn't going anywhere.
There isn't a doctor, anywhere in the world, who would sit down with a patient that is 60, 80, or 200 lbs overweight and say "listen I have bad news, your diet and lack of exercise have absolutely no effect on your weight, even if you ate dressing less salad all day you'd still be 300+ so keep eating what you want, we can blame it on the thyroid"
It's such a pity I can't afford to employ you as my personal trainer because you obviously know EVERYTHING about everything and would have the weight off me in no time.
I am exercising as much as I can with other medical conditions and my diet has been checked by an expert and it's fine.
Your last paragraph is just rubbish and totally irrelevant because nobody suggested any doctor would say any such thing. Mind you, one doctor who told me I should be 20 kilos lighter was fatter than me and her husband, also a doctor, was even fatter.
Djpatties, you are correct. Statins prescribed for cholesterol lowering do not cause weight gain. However, in recent, very large studies, it was found that about 1 in 6 statin patients gained weight. And it was found that weight gain was caused by them eating more, not the meds. Apparently people on cholesterol meds think they can eat more fattening stuff without raising their cholesterol, so they eat more! Then they blame everything but themselves for it.
I'm not so stupid that I thought being on cholesterol lowering medication meant I could eat unhealthily. I did not change my diet or exercise regime. Oh sorry, I forgot, all fat people are stupid and lazy and live on takeaway food, don't we? What would I know about my own body, not as much as you do.
The weight gain occurred on a non-statin cholesterol lowering drug after I'd tried every type and dosage level of every statin in existence, with horrific side effects from every one of them, but no weight gain. Because of the side effects I've been off all cholesterol lowering medication for about 9 months and the weight I gained will not move.
And who did these "large studies"? Wouldn't have been the drug companies, would it? They've only recently acknowledged the permanent harm statins can do to people so I wouldn't trust them about this either.
What non-statin drug was that? I'm not aware of any pharmaceutical cholesterol lowering agents that increase weight. The rest of your post is balcony. These studies, their protocols, and the sponsors are publicly available online do some research.
Hey JD, this is your Ass. I've taken both statins, non-statins, and done the research. Weight gain is not a side effect. She is a whinger who won't take responsibility for her actions. I don't mind being your ass, but I would never want to be her fat ass.
I have no idea. I know I personally would never take them.
I believe that genetics DO play a part. I have a great metabolism and as long as I exercise and try not to eat five bags f chips a week I don´t gain weight.
But at the same time I knew a girl who had issues with her metabolism. She lived on apples and hours of walking every day AND she got skinny and judged by her pictures she stayed skinny.
It is all about motivation, but some has to work harder than others.
I can imagine that if you are put on medication that fucks with your metabolism you should stick to vegetables and fish if it´s within your interest to stay skinny.
I would never allow myself to get obese or even chubby. I have gained some weight throughout puberty but as a woman that is sorta unavoidable and I should not aim to be a stick figure anyway (The ideal I have is anorexic)
IIN that fat people should get compliments on social media?
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You just identified why you are having trouble losing/maintaining your weight.
"Quick fix diets". There is no "quick fix" to being healthy. It takes commitment and discipline and dedication. If you aren't willing to put in the time (and believe me it is time) than you won't see results.
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And you just jumped to conclusions. I wasn't talking about myself in relation to the quick fix diets. I've tried the longterm commitment over decades and it just does not work for everyone.
To give only one example, I was well on the way to getting down to a lower weight when a cholesterol lowering medication I was on caused me to put on more than 10 kilos in about a month and 3 years later I still haven't been able to get it off again.
I think you should stop making unfounded assumptions and judgments about people when you don't know their circumstances: in other words, as I've already said, mind you own business
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People aren't born fat. Sorry it's just genetically impossible to make that argument. I really don't care if you think I'm judgmental or not. If the medication you were taking caused people to become fat it wouldn't have passed the FDA trials that it has to go through before it can be marketed to consumers. And/or be immediately taken off the market because a slew of lawsuits would be filed against it.
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So no-one is born fat? Never seen a very large fat baby? What rubbish! If I knew how I could put some 68 yo baby photo's on here: believe me, I was a VERY fat baby. "Genetically impossible"? I didn't say it had anything to do with genes, I was just stating a fact, but you seem to think you know more about my infancy than I do.
You're very ignorant: it's very well established that LOTS of medications, especially anti-depressants, cause some people to put on weight and they've all been approved because weight gain isn't regarded as a serious side effect.
You don't know what you're talking about when you refer to a "slew of lawsuits": do you really believe that everyone who experiences negative effects from medication can go running off to court to sue the pharmaceutical companies? That's just ridiculous.
I do take responsibility for my health: for example I've lowered my BP to a healthy level with meditation and exercise, but so far my weight is beyond my control.
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Everything is within your control, it's YOUR body and YOUR life. If you are looking for justification for being overweight, you won't get it from me. I don't care how many medications you profess to being prescribed. Being a healthy individual begins with good life decisions. If you enjoy eating unhealthy foods, by all means have at it (literally).
But if you think you're fooling anyone you are dead wrong.
Babies aren't born to be "fat". It isn't something that a human being is destined to become. It's a product of poor upbringing regarding dietary choices which results in poor dietary choices as an adult.
Ellenna don't listen to djpatties he/she has no clue what he/she is talking about.
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Thank you! I'll try not to put any more energy in responding to his/her ill-informed judgmentalism
Just to be clear, I am not speaking to her specific medication or situation, I am speaking in general. Medications can not cause someone to gain or lose weight, but they can cause changes in the body which can have that effect. If someone is maintaining a healthy weight based on their normal eating and activity routine, and they they start taking a medication which lowers their matabalisim, they may start to gain weight doing exactly what they were doing before. There are many medications for which these types of effects are know. Insulin for example increases the amount of calories your body absorbs into the cells. These are not considered serious side effects, and medications with known side effects can and do pass FDA approval all the time.
Like I said medication by itself can't cause weight gain. Adjustments can me made, such as eating less, or increasing activity to counteract these types of effect. Everyone is capable of making the adjustments they personally need to achieve weight loss. But because some people do have different metabolism rates, take medication, or other situations that may personally effect them, the exact amount of caloric intake vs activity is not the same for everyone.
What you do to maintain your weight might seem easy or manageable for you. But someone else do do exactly what you do and gain weight. To be at your weight, they may require additional sacrifice and commitment that you don't. Because you don't require that additional effort, it is impossible for you to say that you would do it.
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You are splitting hairs: if the medication causes changes in the metabolism that result in increased weight then it IS the medication which is causing it!
The fact that I'm having to defend myself repeatedly is yet another example of how fat people are demonised. I was losing weight, went on a particular medication and with no change in diet or exercise put on a lot of weight very quickly which I'm still carrying.
Around that time I faithfully kept a two month food diary and consulted a dietician who said my diet was healthy and nutritious and she couldn't see how I could change it to lose weight.
It's so easy for slim people or people who've had no problems losing weight to judge others AND I AM SICK SICK SICK OF IT
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I think you completely missed the point of my post which was that even if a medication doesn't cause weight gain directly, reactions of the body to that medication can ultimately have the same effect, which is exactly what you just said. As I said in the first line, my post wasn't about you or your situation, but it was certainly supportive of your position. I was not splitting hairs, I was offering another way to look at it.
Because you offered, I will point out that if what you just said about your nutritionist is true, then the person was a moron. As I said in my post, the exact same methods do not work for everyone. Just because what they thought was correct, and might have been for many people, if you were gaining weight, it was clearly wrong for you. As such, the nutritionist should have made adjustments based on your individual situation. If they honestly felt you were eating the bear minimum, they could have recommended more activity to burn a larger number of calories.
The whole point of seeing a nutritionist is to get an individualized course of action that is right for you. If they are just going to give you a one size fits all assessment, you might as well have just bought a nutrition book instead.
By the way, I am not some skinny person judging fat people. I am carrying quite a few extra pounds myself. Though I am happy to admit I am not struggling with my weight. My current food vs activity ratios makes me happy, I don't mind at all a few extra pounds, and am very happy to stay as I am.
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She's comfortable how she is. No amount of reasoning or logic will change that.
Using the excuse of "it's my medication" or "it's genetic" is what precipitated my interjection.
Have you ever heard of hypothyroidism? There's numerous conditions that cause people to be more prone to weight gain. And there are several medications, such as steroids given for auto-immune disease, which cause weight gain. You should do a little more research before you make such broad claims about health and medicine.
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Being more prone to weight gain does not at all or in any way guarantee that a person will automatically be a huge fatass and should completely resign themselves to being overweight.
Exercise and eating right does work. If you aren't exercising enough or eating in the right ways that is quite likely the reason the weight isn't going anywhere.
There isn't a doctor, anywhere in the world, who would sit down with a patient that is 60, 80, or 200 lbs overweight and say "listen I have bad news, your diet and lack of exercise have absolutely no effect on your weight, even if you ate dressing less salad all day you'd still be 300+ so keep eating what you want, we can blame it on the thyroid"
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I'm not saying that food and diet have no effect, I'm just saying that some people are more prone to weight gain than others. That's all I meant.
It's such a pity I can't afford to employ you as my personal trainer because you obviously know EVERYTHING about everything and would have the weight off me in no time.
I am exercising as much as I can with other medical conditions and my diet has been checked by an expert and it's fine.
Your last paragraph is just rubbish and totally irrelevant because nobody suggested any doctor would say any such thing. Mind you, one doctor who told me I should be 20 kilos lighter was fatter than me and her husband, also a doctor, was even fatter.
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Ellena... I just read Djpatties profile... he's not worth it. His profile reads,
"I enjoy trolling and saying inappropriate stuff, be it whatever.
Perhaps we'll meet.
Apologies in advance.
I also can't change my profile picture for some stupid reason. So it looks like I'm stuck with this fat bald guy holding up his hairy tits. "
If you did employ me I'd find the real person behind your excuses and motivate the hell outta them.
Because you are a good person, you just need some motivation and someone who doesn't allow you to make excuses for yourself.
Djpatties, you are correct. Statins prescribed for cholesterol lowering do not cause weight gain. However, in recent, very large studies, it was found that about 1 in 6 statin patients gained weight. And it was found that weight gain was caused by them eating more, not the meds. Apparently people on cholesterol meds think they can eat more fattening stuff without raising their cholesterol, so they eat more! Then they blame everything but themselves for it.
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I'm not so stupid that I thought being on cholesterol lowering medication meant I could eat unhealthily. I did not change my diet or exercise regime. Oh sorry, I forgot, all fat people are stupid and lazy and live on takeaway food, don't we? What would I know about my own body, not as much as you do.
The weight gain occurred on a non-statin cholesterol lowering drug after I'd tried every type and dosage level of every statin in existence, with horrific side effects from every one of them, but no weight gain. Because of the side effects I've been off all cholesterol lowering medication for about 9 months and the weight I gained will not move.
And who did these "large studies"? Wouldn't have been the drug companies, would it? They've only recently acknowledged the permanent harm statins can do to people so I wouldn't trust them about this either.
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What non-statin drug was that? I'm not aware of any pharmaceutical cholesterol lowering agents that increase weight. The rest of your post is balcony. These studies, their protocols, and the sponsors are publicly available online do some research.
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Hey JD, this is your Ass. I've taken both statins, non-statins, and done the research. Weight gain is not a side effect. She is a whinger who won't take responsibility for her actions. I don't mind being your ass, but I would never want to be her fat ass.
Oh dude, there´s tons of medications that can cause you to gain weight ... xD To mention some;
Anti-depressants.
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So I guess adjusting diet is completely out of the question when being prescribed these medications?
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I have no idea. I know I personally would never take them.
I believe that genetics DO play a part. I have a great metabolism and as long as I exercise and try not to eat five bags f chips a week I don´t gain weight.
But at the same time I knew a girl who had issues with her metabolism. She lived on apples and hours of walking every day AND she got skinny and judged by her pictures she stayed skinny.
It is all about motivation, but some has to work harder than others.
I can imagine that if you are put on medication that fucks with your metabolism you should stick to vegetables and fish if it´s within your interest to stay skinny.
I would never allow myself to get obese or even chubby. I have gained some weight throughout puberty but as a woman that is sorta unavoidable and I should not aim to be a stick figure anyway (The ideal I have is anorexic)