No. And it doesn't justify child abuse or rape for that sake, but those are totally not in line with consensual sex that harms nobody. But if people acted like you think they should from the start there would be no chance of any of us existing. Maybe your parents didn't have direct sex, but I almost guarantee your grandparents on either side did. You are basically saying ALL your ancestors up the the very last generation were degenerates, and it would basically be better if you and everyone else (is there seriously nobody you like and care about?) alive today never were born, because that would be INEVITABLE consequence of what you want.
Another big issue is the way you think something being disgusting (which by itself is subjective, but even that is not the main point) somehow means its universally bad. But lots of things arent. Decay is disgusgting but absolutely essential for things to go back to soil that in turn gives us food. Just one of many things.
But the real tragedy is how you think almost every normal person, including parents who care about their kids are degenerate, and its just for something that is basic human nature (and every other mammal for that sake). And also doesn't need to harm someone. Maybe consider that you are the crazy one here, and not the entire rest of humanity. But either way I will just let you think that way and end the discussion since its getting kind of long, and you are only fanatically considering your two points (it being disgusting and it being exploitative, which I think is only the case when only one wants or enjoys it). Of course you can reply and I will see it, but I wont anymore.
But with that logic, you'd be saying a kid who was abused by their parents would wish they were never born. Also, I'm really starting to think you wackos have no better argument. Every single time someone argues that sex is disgusting, y'all automatically bring up "You're basically saying you wish you were never born because sex is how you were born". Come up with something better.
Yes, but sex isn't one of those things.
The real tragedy is how you can't stand the fact that sex is an act of degeneracy, whether you like it or not. YOU are the ones that are crazy, yet don't want to face up to it. Own up to it for crying out loud. You don't need to make it seem like I'm the one that's crazy because there is a truth YOU'RE not willing to admit. Also, those parents don't truly care for those kids, just so you know. A couple months back, I made a post where I state the "brutal" truth that people don't truly care about you. They just act like it.
Okay I wasn't planning to reply to you, but did you even read the last comment I wrote? And the entire thing? Can you not understand cause and effect? And the fact you are comparing things that have nothing logically to do with each other?
How is child abuse in any way comparable? First of child abuse is not and never was essential for humans to survive or for that sake the kid itself to be born and grow up in the first place. While having sex actually IS (or at least until super recently, but still the vast majority of humans are made naturally). It makes perfect sense for someone to wish they weren't abused by their parent, and still be glad they were born. Because not being abused would not INEVIABLY lead to not being born.
And it would not be only THAT person not being born, it would be litterally the entire humanity if everyone acted like you want from the start.
And another important point, child abuse will also almost inevitably cause great suffering, mental and/or physical harm to the kid. While sex (once the person is adult, not with a family member and consensual etc.) is NOT guaranteed to cause those things. Your whole child abuse analogy is nothing but stupid.
Parents who abuse their kids are assholes. Not ALL parents are. People vary from each other.
Its sad that your life is so miserable you cant value either other people or life and humanity itself. If you were fulfilled you would see those things.
Like I said, I'm just going by your logic. Don't get upset now that I'm proving you have very poor logic. Going by your logic, it would be the same as saying it doesn't make sense for a child to hate their parents, despite being abused by their parents because at the end of the day, their parents are the reason why they're here.
Although I never said I didn't value humanity, I can still live a fulfilling life even if I don't care for humanity. I've noticed you idiotic people have this really ignorant belief that people who live fulfilling lives care for humanity, but that's far from the truth. I can be the happiest person alive, yet not see any value in any human. it isn't impossible to live a happy life and still not care for others. It's very naive and ignorant that you think someone only needs to have a miserable life to not see any value in humans. It kind of sounds like you're projecting. Maybe that's why you're making up random assumptions about what kind of life I'm living, despite not knowing me. You're saying my life is miserable, when in fact, it might be YOUR life that's miserable and you're just trying to make yourself feel better. I hope whatever you're going through gets better, but please don't project. I will gladly give you the Norwegian suicide hotline number, and instead of projecting, talk out your life struggles with them. Have a nice day!
No, kids can hate their parents because their parents were assholes.
Because having a kid and keeping it alive doesnt suddenly free you from the potential and doing something wrong and being an asshole.
They decided to abuse the kid AFTER it was born. It has NOTHING to do with the kids existence directly.
Your anchestors having sex = essential for EVERY humans existance.
Abusing kids= NOT essential to anyones existance.
You dont value humanity because you
1: hate near universal basic human nature.
2: call people a disgrace for not already living in a way that would cause human extinction. Everyones grandparends would be a disgrace by your standards (at least unless they got raped, but that would be worse, not better)
3: hate almost eveyone on this planet (for either having or wanting sex, or of course if being an asshole for unrelated reasons, sometimes justified). There arent many people you could truly get along with if you were completley honest about your opinions. Those people have to be not only asexual virgins, but have to hate (or have no relation to) their parents and granparents as well, and have no close friends that voluntarily had sex, because you would call all those people a disgrace.
Its also clear that you are not happy, not only for hateful attitude to something perfectly normal and universally natural (you not wanting it on a personal level would be completely fine), but you even said yourself life is meaningless, and nobody genuinely cares about you, only pretend they do. Which said you havent had the best experiences in life.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your parents are the reason why you're here. Same goes for abused children. The point has flown right over your head.
"hate almost eveyone on this planet (for either having or wanting sex, or of course if being an asshole for unrelated reasons, sometimes justified). There arent many people you could truly get along with if you were completley honest about your opinions. Those people have to be not only asexual virgins, but have to hate (or have no relation to) their parents and granparents as well, and have no close friends that voluntarily had sex, because you would call all those people a disgrace".
I'm aware. But it isn't like it matters, considering I already choose to not interact with people because I prefer to be left alone.
"Its also clear that you are not happy, not only for hateful attitude to something perfectly normal and universally natural (you not wanting it on a personal level would be completely fine), but you even said yourself life is meaningless, and nobody genuinely cares about you, only pretend they do. Which said you havent had the best experiences in life".
Once again, it sounds like you're projecting. That's why you're doing all of this analyzing. You're trying to make yourself feel better by projecting your unhappiness on to me. Well, projecting won't fix your problems, just so you know. I stand by my opinion that's obviously struck a nerve in you, whether you like it or not. Sex isn't normal and just makes you scum, whether you decide to accept it or not. Your choice.
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No. And it doesn't justify child abuse or rape for that sake, but those are totally not in line with consensual sex that harms nobody. But if people acted like you think they should from the start there would be no chance of any of us existing. Maybe your parents didn't have direct sex, but I almost guarantee your grandparents on either side did. You are basically saying ALL your ancestors up the the very last generation were degenerates, and it would basically be better if you and everyone else (is there seriously nobody you like and care about?) alive today never were born, because that would be INEVITABLE consequence of what you want.
Another big issue is the way you think something being disgusting (which by itself is subjective, but even that is not the main point) somehow means its universally bad. But lots of things arent. Decay is disgusgting but absolutely essential for things to go back to soil that in turn gives us food. Just one of many things.
But the real tragedy is how you think almost every normal person, including parents who care about their kids are degenerate, and its just for something that is basic human nature (and every other mammal for that sake). And also doesn't need to harm someone. Maybe consider that you are the crazy one here, and not the entire rest of humanity. But either way I will just let you think that way and end the discussion since its getting kind of long, and you are only fanatically considering your two points (it being disgusting and it being exploitative, which I think is only the case when only one wants or enjoys it). Of course you can reply and I will see it, but I wont anymore.
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But with that logic, you'd be saying a kid who was abused by their parents would wish they were never born. Also, I'm really starting to think you wackos have no better argument. Every single time someone argues that sex is disgusting, y'all automatically bring up "You're basically saying you wish you were never born because sex is how you were born". Come up with something better.
Yes, but sex isn't one of those things.
The real tragedy is how you can't stand the fact that sex is an act of degeneracy, whether you like it or not. YOU are the ones that are crazy, yet don't want to face up to it. Own up to it for crying out loud. You don't need to make it seem like I'm the one that's crazy because there is a truth YOU'RE not willing to admit. Also, those parents don't truly care for those kids, just so you know. A couple months back, I made a post where I state the "brutal" truth that people don't truly care about you. They just act like it.
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Okay I wasn't planning to reply to you, but did you even read the last comment I wrote? And the entire thing? Can you not understand cause and effect? And the fact you are comparing things that have nothing logically to do with each other?
How is child abuse in any way comparable? First of child abuse is not and never was essential for humans to survive or for that sake the kid itself to be born and grow up in the first place. While having sex actually IS (or at least until super recently, but still the vast majority of humans are made naturally). It makes perfect sense for someone to wish they weren't abused by their parent, and still be glad they were born. Because not being abused would not INEVIABLY lead to not being born.
And it would not be only THAT person not being born, it would be litterally the entire humanity if everyone acted like you want from the start.
And another important point, child abuse will also almost inevitably cause great suffering, mental and/or physical harm to the kid. While sex (once the person is adult, not with a family member and consensual etc.) is NOT guaranteed to cause those things. Your whole child abuse analogy is nothing but stupid.
Parents who abuse their kids are assholes. Not ALL parents are. People vary from each other.
Its sad that your life is so miserable you cant value either other people or life and humanity itself. If you were fulfilled you would see those things.
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Like I said, I'm just going by your logic. Don't get upset now that I'm proving you have very poor logic. Going by your logic, it would be the same as saying it doesn't make sense for a child to hate their parents, despite being abused by their parents because at the end of the day, their parents are the reason why they're here.
Although I never said I didn't value humanity, I can still live a fulfilling life even if I don't care for humanity. I've noticed you idiotic people have this really ignorant belief that people who live fulfilling lives care for humanity, but that's far from the truth. I can be the happiest person alive, yet not see any value in any human. it isn't impossible to live a happy life and still not care for others. It's very naive and ignorant that you think someone only needs to have a miserable life to not see any value in humans. It kind of sounds like you're projecting. Maybe that's why you're making up random assumptions about what kind of life I'm living, despite not knowing me. You're saying my life is miserable, when in fact, it might be YOUR life that's miserable and you're just trying to make yourself feel better. I hope whatever you're going through gets better, but please don't project. I will gladly give you the Norwegian suicide hotline number, and instead of projecting, talk out your life struggles with them. Have a nice day!
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No, kids can hate their parents because their parents were assholes.
Because having a kid and keeping it alive doesnt suddenly free you from the potential and doing something wrong and being an asshole.
They decided to abuse the kid AFTER it was born. It has NOTHING to do with the kids existence directly.
Your anchestors having sex = essential for EVERY humans existance.
Abusing kids= NOT essential to anyones existance.
You dont value humanity because you
1: hate near universal basic human nature.
2: call people a disgrace for not already living in a way that would cause human extinction. Everyones grandparends would be a disgrace by your standards (at least unless they got raped, but that would be worse, not better)
3: hate almost eveyone on this planet (for either having or wanting sex, or of course if being an asshole for unrelated reasons, sometimes justified). There arent many people you could truly get along with if you were completley honest about your opinions. Those people have to be not only asexual virgins, but have to hate (or have no relation to) their parents and granparents as well, and have no close friends that voluntarily had sex, because you would call all those people a disgrace.
Its also clear that you are not happy, not only for hateful attitude to something perfectly normal and universally natural (you not wanting it on a personal level would be completely fine), but you even said yourself life is meaningless, and nobody genuinely cares about you, only pretend they do. Which said you havent had the best experiences in life.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but your parents are the reason why you're here. Same goes for abused children. The point has flown right over your head.
"hate almost eveyone on this planet (for either having or wanting sex, or of course if being an asshole for unrelated reasons, sometimes justified). There arent many people you could truly get along with if you were completley honest about your opinions. Those people have to be not only asexual virgins, but have to hate (or have no relation to) their parents and granparents as well, and have no close friends that voluntarily had sex, because you would call all those people a disgrace".
I'm aware. But it isn't like it matters, considering I already choose to not interact with people because I prefer to be left alone.
"Its also clear that you are not happy, not only for hateful attitude to something perfectly normal and universally natural (you not wanting it on a personal level would be completely fine), but you even said yourself life is meaningless, and nobody genuinely cares about you, only pretend they do. Which said you havent had the best experiences in life".
Once again, it sounds like you're projecting. That's why you're doing all of this analyzing. You're trying to make yourself feel better by projecting your unhappiness on to me. Well, projecting won't fix your problems, just so you know. I stand by my opinion that's obviously struck a nerve in you, whether you like it or not. Sex isn't normal and just makes you scum, whether you decide to accept it or not. Your choice.