They never would have published a vaccine if it didn't work at all. By less severe I meant fewer people hospitalized even if its not down to zero (but just about anything can kill people), it was written in an article (in norwegian). that difference matters because it not only is fewer people overall, but the hospitals are less likely to be overwhelmed. People with very poor immune system will ALWAYS be vulnerable to dying from disease, that doesn't make it right to ruin for the vast majority of people permanently and keep the entire society back. Dangers in general cant be eliminated completely, and ought to be balanced with freedom. For the small percentage of animals getting infected, how many wild and street animals actually have been tested? When I went to read about it first thing it said is animals do get infected as well. My point is if animals carry the disease between each other, they can then spread it to humans again thus make isolation between humans more futile (not saying zero effect) and the virus stays longer if not permanently. Having to wear a mask is honestly the absolutely least problem with the pandemic, that isn't what I have been against.
But being restricted from going outside certainly is limiting peoples freedom and affects people both mentally, physically and economically (if people cant go to a variety of places like a concert, resturaunts and cafes, night clubs even though Im not personally into that etc.). Going outdoors contribute to getting exercise, getting vitamin D, and mentally feeling freer and more calm and connected. Especially (but not only) for people who live with someone abusive and now cant move it must really suck to be forced to stay home where you wont even get a temporary break for a few hours. I could use that as an argument for why YOU lack sympathy. Or just living with someone you dont get along with and argue constantly. Or even just living in a small apartment by itself, youre gonna feel really trapped after a while. And people have social needs as well, and need to keep connection with people in their life. So that is an issue for people living alone. Some people also lose their job and go homeless, thats another big issue with it. I get you want to limit infection, but it goes too far when people now act like its the only thing important in the world now, and also somehow the biggest danger
The vast majority of people infected do not die from covid, just so you know. And in order to maintain normal immune system so MOST people don't get severely sick once infected (not only with covid), you actually need some exposure to germs that could make you sick from time to time
Are you this dense? There weren't even any scientific studies done on this stupid vaccine. It was completely rushed, and not only that, people are getting severely sick from these vaccines. Thanks for showing how retarded you are. And no, fewer people aren't getting hospitalized. Where did you get that from? Your asshole? Because I can assure you there are a bunch of people in the hospital right now that have in fact gotten the vaccine. Yes, people with poor immune systems are always going to be vulnerable to diseases, and so are healthy people with healthy immune systems. What's your point? You keep saying "dangers in general can't be eliminated completely" like I don't know that. That isn't my point. My point is, people need to be cautious if they want to lower the chances of them, or those around them getting infected. You don't completely eliminate the chances of you getting murdered or raped, yet you still lock your doors and windows, right? Also, yes, animals do in fact get infected, which I already said that. But there are not that many cases of animals passing it on to humans. It is mainly humans passing it on to other humans.
Nobody ever said you couldn't go outside. The CDC just suggested that you social distance. And going to places like, concerts, resturaunts, cafes, and night clubs, is one good way to get infected. That is one of the reasons why the coronavirus keeps spreading and spreading, and people keep getting infected. Once again, nobody ever said you couldn't go outside. Oh, and about your eyeroll inducing argument, victims of domestic violence do not need to go to a concert, or a resturaunt, or a cafe to get away from an abusive person they're living with. Also, you can still interact with people without having to go out in person. There's a thing called texting and calling, as well as social media. Mind blowing, I know. Oh, and you can still go to work. Nobody ever said you couldn't. Yes, because it is the most important thing right now. Things are just gonna keep getting worse from here if people don't start taking this seriously.
Yeah, but a lot have, and a lot have gotten severely sick from covid, just so you know.
Okay I'm not fully sure about the rules in other countries, but I think at some point people were actually prevented from going outside at all unless for strictly necessary purposes, like going to the groceries. And there was an issue of people over-walking their dogs (I get they do need walks) to the point of the dogs being exahusted, because that was a valid reason to go out that everyone in the household used.
Things like restaurants, night clubs, concert etc. aren't necessary on their own, but there is an important connection that is gives more people jobs, which is important for economy. Too many people being unemployed leads to bad economy, which can lead to actual poverty (in worst case people end up starving or homeless, and access to healthcare is also dependent on economy whether it goes via tax or people pay directly). You need to have a certain amount of the population in work to keep society functioning, and the jobs lost arent automatically replaced. In addition to that, its just a way to let people enjoy their life that appeal to various people, and people should enjoy their life. As for social interaction, internet and phone helps a bit, but can never fully make up for in-person contact, especially with people you were originally close with in real life. It does not have the same quality and feel to it. Because we cant eliminate all dangers (or really regardless) the thought of eliminating danger should be balanced with other things, not be the only thing people ever care about. A life that leans 100% into ensuring safety as much as possible is not gonna be enjoyable to most people. Locking my door at night is not a significant sacrifice, but if its gets to the point of almost never leaving your house you're sacrificing too much for it. Everyone dies at some point, what makes the difference is having fulfillment in life before that. How far you want to take the safety priority makes me think you would want to keep it even if covid dissapeared, because other diseases still exist and always will.
Even if people only go out for neccesary things like going to the grocery store, people are still gonna infect each other in these places.
From reading your comment (and all your other ignorant comments), if I'm being honest, it's people like you that need to get it.
What are you not comprehending? Resteraunts, night clubs, concerts, etc. are the reason why it keeps spreading. That's the number one factor. Idiotic people like you with that same pea sized brain as you keep going to these places because they're too stupid to grasp that they're going to spread covid. You're obviously too stupid to comprehend anything I'm saying. For your once again eye-roll inducing statements, no, you do not need to to have in-person contact with those you "love". As long as you're interacting with those that are present in your life, it shouldn't matter if that interaction is by via messaging or in person. Poor argument you made there. Try again. News flash, people will not enjoy their life if they get infected, or infect someone they know and that person possibly dies, or they themselves die. I cannot fathom how someone like you thinks of a poor argument, then thinks, "Hmm, oh yeah, this is a really good argument!". Oh, and rather ensuring safety is enjoyable to most people is irrelevant. Once again, try again. And are you going to keep repeating the same thing over and over again? Yes, we will all die at some point, and guess what? We'll be dead, so our experiences with life won't matter. That being said, whether we were fulfilled in life or not will be irrelevant. Your point is..? And yeah, you can still get sick by just going to the grocery store, but if you disinfect whatever you're using to store your groceries in, wear a mask, and use hand sanitizer, it lowers the chances of you getting infected greatly. I wear a mask, hand sanitize, and disinfect my cart when I shop, haven't gotten sick. Not even a cold. Again, try again. Do me a favor and don't reply if you're going to keep writing bullshit after bullshit. Have a good day.
No I'm not too stupid to comprehend what you're saying, I just have conflicting arguments against it. I know those things spread disease more, but life should not be only about that. Spending or whole life thinking about what can kill us will make almost nobody enjoy their life, dying to a bit earlier wont necessarily prevent you enjoying your life before that. Its just as much a problem you dont understand the importance of quality of life and not just surviving. And keeping most people in jobs is an important point. I think you missed the point about poverty from unemployment, and these things create jobs.
But its probably time we end the discussion anyway. You haven't changed my mind (not the same as not getting your point, but you are just fanatic about that point and dont consider other factors).
But this discussion is getting kind of long. You calling me stupid and dense only makes yourself seem those things, if you were mature you just use actual arguments instead of insults.
No, life shouldn't be all about that, but you should still take safety measures. You are not getting my point.
That's a great idea. It will make it easier on you.
And no, it doesn't. When someone seems stupid to you, sometimes you're going to call them out as, well, stupid. It is not anyone else's fault but your own if YOU are making yourself be perceived as stupid. Plus, if you're not taking this Covid-19 situation seriously, that says a lot, which you obviously see it as no big deal, and rather continue life as normal when it is not. It is your own fault that you're making yourself seem dumb, not mine. Once again, have a good day.
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They never would have published a vaccine if it didn't work at all. By less severe I meant fewer people hospitalized even if its not down to zero (but just about anything can kill people), it was written in an article (in norwegian). that difference matters because it not only is fewer people overall, but the hospitals are less likely to be overwhelmed. People with very poor immune system will ALWAYS be vulnerable to dying from disease, that doesn't make it right to ruin for the vast majority of people permanently and keep the entire society back. Dangers in general cant be eliminated completely, and ought to be balanced with freedom. For the small percentage of animals getting infected, how many wild and street animals actually have been tested? When I went to read about it first thing it said is animals do get infected as well. My point is if animals carry the disease between each other, they can then spread it to humans again thus make isolation between humans more futile (not saying zero effect) and the virus stays longer if not permanently. Having to wear a mask is honestly the absolutely least problem with the pandemic, that isn't what I have been against.
But being restricted from going outside certainly is limiting peoples freedom and affects people both mentally, physically and economically (if people cant go to a variety of places like a concert, resturaunts and cafes, night clubs even though Im not personally into that etc.). Going outdoors contribute to getting exercise, getting vitamin D, and mentally feeling freer and more calm and connected. Especially (but not only) for people who live with someone abusive and now cant move it must really suck to be forced to stay home where you wont even get a temporary break for a few hours. I could use that as an argument for why YOU lack sympathy. Or just living with someone you dont get along with and argue constantly. Or even just living in a small apartment by itself, youre gonna feel really trapped after a while. And people have social needs as well, and need to keep connection with people in their life. So that is an issue for people living alone. Some people also lose their job and go homeless, thats another big issue with it. I get you want to limit infection, but it goes too far when people now act like its the only thing important in the world now, and also somehow the biggest danger
The vast majority of people infected do not die from covid, just so you know. And in order to maintain normal immune system so MOST people don't get severely sick once infected (not only with covid), you actually need some exposure to germs that could make you sick from time to time
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Are you this dense? There weren't even any scientific studies done on this stupid vaccine. It was completely rushed, and not only that, people are getting severely sick from these vaccines. Thanks for showing how retarded you are. And no, fewer people aren't getting hospitalized. Where did you get that from? Your asshole? Because I can assure you there are a bunch of people in the hospital right now that have in fact gotten the vaccine. Yes, people with poor immune systems are always going to be vulnerable to diseases, and so are healthy people with healthy immune systems. What's your point? You keep saying "dangers in general can't be eliminated completely" like I don't know that. That isn't my point. My point is, people need to be cautious if they want to lower the chances of them, or those around them getting infected. You don't completely eliminate the chances of you getting murdered or raped, yet you still lock your doors and windows, right? Also, yes, animals do in fact get infected, which I already said that. But there are not that many cases of animals passing it on to humans. It is mainly humans passing it on to other humans.
Nobody ever said you couldn't go outside. The CDC just suggested that you social distance. And going to places like, concerts, resturaunts, cafes, and night clubs, is one good way to get infected. That is one of the reasons why the coronavirus keeps spreading and spreading, and people keep getting infected. Once again, nobody ever said you couldn't go outside. Oh, and about your eyeroll inducing argument, victims of domestic violence do not need to go to a concert, or a resturaunt, or a cafe to get away from an abusive person they're living with. Also, you can still interact with people without having to go out in person. There's a thing called texting and calling, as well as social media. Mind blowing, I know. Oh, and you can still go to work. Nobody ever said you couldn't. Yes, because it is the most important thing right now. Things are just gonna keep getting worse from here if people don't start taking this seriously.
Yeah, but a lot have, and a lot have gotten severely sick from covid, just so you know.
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Okay I'm not fully sure about the rules in other countries, but I think at some point people were actually prevented from going outside at all unless for strictly necessary purposes, like going to the groceries. And there was an issue of people over-walking their dogs (I get they do need walks) to the point of the dogs being exahusted, because that was a valid reason to go out that everyone in the household used.
Things like restaurants, night clubs, concert etc. aren't necessary on their own, but there is an important connection that is gives more people jobs, which is important for economy. Too many people being unemployed leads to bad economy, which can lead to actual poverty (in worst case people end up starving or homeless, and access to healthcare is also dependent on economy whether it goes via tax or people pay directly). You need to have a certain amount of the population in work to keep society functioning, and the jobs lost arent automatically replaced. In addition to that, its just a way to let people enjoy their life that appeal to various people, and people should enjoy their life. As for social interaction, internet and phone helps a bit, but can never fully make up for in-person contact, especially with people you were originally close with in real life. It does not have the same quality and feel to it. Because we cant eliminate all dangers (or really regardless) the thought of eliminating danger should be balanced with other things, not be the only thing people ever care about. A life that leans 100% into ensuring safety as much as possible is not gonna be enjoyable to most people. Locking my door at night is not a significant sacrifice, but if its gets to the point of almost never leaving your house you're sacrificing too much for it. Everyone dies at some point, what makes the difference is having fulfillment in life before that. How far you want to take the safety priority makes me think you would want to keep it even if covid dissapeared, because other diseases still exist and always will.
Even if people only go out for neccesary things like going to the grocery store, people are still gonna infect each other in these places.
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From reading your comment (and all your other ignorant comments), if I'm being honest, it's people like you that need to get it.
What are you not comprehending? Resteraunts, night clubs, concerts, etc. are the reason why it keeps spreading. That's the number one factor. Idiotic people like you with that same pea sized brain as you keep going to these places because they're too stupid to grasp that they're going to spread covid. You're obviously too stupid to comprehend anything I'm saying. For your once again eye-roll inducing statements, no, you do not need to to have in-person contact with those you "love". As long as you're interacting with those that are present in your life, it shouldn't matter if that interaction is by via messaging or in person. Poor argument you made there. Try again. News flash, people will not enjoy their life if they get infected, or infect someone they know and that person possibly dies, or they themselves die. I cannot fathom how someone like you thinks of a poor argument, then thinks, "Hmm, oh yeah, this is a really good argument!". Oh, and rather ensuring safety is enjoyable to most people is irrelevant. Once again, try again. And are you going to keep repeating the same thing over and over again? Yes, we will all die at some point, and guess what? We'll be dead, so our experiences with life won't matter. That being said, whether we were fulfilled in life or not will be irrelevant. Your point is..? And yeah, you can still get sick by just going to the grocery store, but if you disinfect whatever you're using to store your groceries in, wear a mask, and use hand sanitizer, it lowers the chances of you getting infected greatly. I wear a mask, hand sanitize, and disinfect my cart when I shop, haven't gotten sick. Not even a cold. Again, try again. Do me a favor and don't reply if you're going to keep writing bullshit after bullshit. Have a good day.
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No I'm not too stupid to comprehend what you're saying, I just have conflicting arguments against it. I know those things spread disease more, but life should not be only about that. Spending or whole life thinking about what can kill us will make almost nobody enjoy their life, dying to a bit earlier wont necessarily prevent you enjoying your life before that. Its just as much a problem you dont understand the importance of quality of life and not just surviving. And keeping most people in jobs is an important point. I think you missed the point about poverty from unemployment, and these things create jobs.
But its probably time we end the discussion anyway. You haven't changed my mind (not the same as not getting your point, but you are just fanatic about that point and dont consider other factors).
But this discussion is getting kind of long. You calling me stupid and dense only makes yourself seem those things, if you were mature you just use actual arguments instead of insults.
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No, life shouldn't be all about that, but you should still take safety measures. You are not getting my point.
That's a great idea. It will make it easier on you.
And no, it doesn't. When someone seems stupid to you, sometimes you're going to call them out as, well, stupid. It is not anyone else's fault but your own if YOU are making yourself be perceived as stupid. Plus, if you're not taking this Covid-19 situation seriously, that says a lot, which you obviously see it as no big deal, and rather continue life as normal when it is not. It is your own fault that you're making yourself seem dumb, not mine. Once again, have a good day.