IIN I think "Islamic modesty" like the hijab is anything but "modest"

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  • I agree but the true purpose of that garment is submission and ownership, not modesty.

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    • I agree with that too, it's definitely an oppressive garment and I'd criticise it from that angle as well. I just think it defeats the point of modesty, and I wanted to know what people though of it from that angle.

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    • Submission-definitely
      Ownership-not all wearers are married (marriage is "ownership")

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      • In traditional Islamic cultures, women are always "owned" and controlled by some man: husband, father, brothers, uncles, nearest living male cousin, etc.

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        • Islamic modesty is religious modesty, not social convention. Religiously, people cannot be owned by people. Theoretical religion and lay religion always differ.

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