I don't agree with the death penalty (in any form, even this where you could potentially win the fight), however I do feel that prison is a massively expensive institution that could at least make an attempt to balance its books.
I'd watch "prisoner boxing" for instance, and I'd support any initiative for prison to include a component of useful work (for which the prisoner receives concessions as an incentive). I suspect this may already happen to an extent but I'd increase it and use it as a model of behaviour that becomes preferable (i.e. as rehabilitation).
I think you've touched on one of our biggest problems with the prison institution, at least in my country. (Not including how much reform our justice system needs) We have such a high incarceration rate but such a low rehabilitation rate, as convicts who come out of jail typically either
1. Can't find jobs because they have been convicted, so they end up breaking the law again to get money to live and go back to jail.
2. Just fall right back into the same old behaviors they exhibited before incarceration, having learned nothing from their time spend there and go back to jail.
3. Just can't handle life on the outside and do something illegal SO they can go back to jail and continue to live there.
I think we need to switch focus from incarceration to rehabilitation, reforming our justice system and ending this stupid drug war would certainly help. Get victimless crimes out of state and federal institutions so the money and resources are available for people who TRULY need help... rapists, pedophiles, killers. MAKE NEW ASYLUMS for those mentally ill who need them, getting rid of those institutions was a big mistake. Yes a lot of things needed reformed back then, but they should have been reformed not eliminated.
Ugh, I think I've spouted off enough about this, I'm gonna reign myself in before this gets even longer than it already is.
Here too, I guess. We lump too many people in the same boat and, from what I can see, we don't really do a good job at helping any of them. From personal experience, people are released from prison once their sentence is up but some are completely unprepared for life on the outside and it's a shock to them. How stupid are we that we think we can just release people and they'll know everything about how to live despite being cut off from this type of living for however many years? Wasn't the whole idea of them being in prison to learn how *not* to be in prison? Isn't that what we're aiming for? People who just have normal, average lives (and freedom).
As for the people with problems that make them want to commit crimes that involve sex, kids or death, I'd give them nice lives if they agree to be test subjects and give up any dealing with the public. They get a comfortable existence, don't harm anyone, and help us understand what's going on.
I can't even imagine people who've been incarcerated for long periods of time, how mind boggling that must be. There was something down in Georgia a little whiles back about these two men who were falsely convicted of rape and were freed by this group called The Innocence Project or something like that. They had been incarcerated in the 70s I believe.
Imagine coming out of jail and there are cell phones and computers and all sorts of crazy tech and you have to catch up pretty damn fast for most jobs. I can't even imagine people who've been in for longer.. I imagine some people would think the world had gone mad.
Definitely agree on the research part. We don't have nearly enough of an understanding of what causes people to do things like this. Going into art therapy I would possibly have the opportunity to work with people like that but I don't know if I have the cahones for that particular job. Iiiii just wanna work with kids. ^^;
Yeah, it isn't even so much the technology (which gets through to prison to some extent) but the attitudes. I don't think I could come out that kind of spell in prison and believe I fit on the outside. The freedom I dreamed of wouldn't be that sweet and I'd probably want to get back to the only life I did fit with (inside). Release from prison is too sharp a shock. It should be staggered. If it was, maybe my grandfather wouldn't have died so soon after release and I'd have got to know him.
I worked in prisons (occasionally) as part of my last job and I reckon you could do it. Although you do need to adopt a certain attitude and I'd never act in a prison as I act here.
IIN I think gladiatorial fights to the death should be reinstated?
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I don't agree with the death penalty (in any form, even this where you could potentially win the fight), however I do feel that prison is a massively expensive institution that could at least make an attempt to balance its books.
I'd watch "prisoner boxing" for instance, and I'd support any initiative for prison to include a component of useful work (for which the prisoner receives concessions as an incentive). I suspect this may already happen to an extent but I'd increase it and use it as a model of behaviour that becomes preferable (i.e. as rehabilitation).
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I think you've touched on one of our biggest problems with the prison institution, at least in my country. (Not including how much reform our justice system needs) We have such a high incarceration rate but such a low rehabilitation rate, as convicts who come out of jail typically either
1. Can't find jobs because they have been convicted, so they end up breaking the law again to get money to live and go back to jail.
2. Just fall right back into the same old behaviors they exhibited before incarceration, having learned nothing from their time spend there and go back to jail.
3. Just can't handle life on the outside and do something illegal SO they can go back to jail and continue to live there.
I think we need to switch focus from incarceration to rehabilitation, reforming our justice system and ending this stupid drug war would certainly help. Get victimless crimes out of state and federal institutions so the money and resources are available for people who TRULY need help... rapists, pedophiles, killers. MAKE NEW ASYLUMS for those mentally ill who need them, getting rid of those institutions was a big mistake. Yes a lot of things needed reformed back then, but they should have been reformed not eliminated.
Ugh, I think I've spouted off enough about this, I'm gonna reign myself in before this gets even longer than it already is.
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Here too, I guess. We lump too many people in the same boat and, from what I can see, we don't really do a good job at helping any of them. From personal experience, people are released from prison once their sentence is up but some are completely unprepared for life on the outside and it's a shock to them. How stupid are we that we think we can just release people and they'll know everything about how to live despite being cut off from this type of living for however many years? Wasn't the whole idea of them being in prison to learn how *not* to be in prison? Isn't that what we're aiming for? People who just have normal, average lives (and freedom).
As for the people with problems that make them want to commit crimes that involve sex, kids or death, I'd give them nice lives if they agree to be test subjects and give up any dealing with the public. They get a comfortable existence, don't harm anyone, and help us understand what's going on.
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I can't even imagine people who've been incarcerated for long periods of time, how mind boggling that must be. There was something down in Georgia a little whiles back about these two men who were falsely convicted of rape and were freed by this group called The Innocence Project or something like that. They had been incarcerated in the 70s I believe.
Imagine coming out of jail and there are cell phones and computers and all sorts of crazy tech and you have to catch up pretty damn fast for most jobs. I can't even imagine people who've been in for longer.. I imagine some people would think the world had gone mad.
Definitely agree on the research part. We don't have nearly enough of an understanding of what causes people to do things like this. Going into art therapy I would possibly have the opportunity to work with people like that but I don't know if I have the cahones for that particular job. Iiiii just wanna work with kids. ^^;
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Yeah, it isn't even so much the technology (which gets through to prison to some extent) but the attitudes. I don't think I could come out that kind of spell in prison and believe I fit on the outside. The freedom I dreamed of wouldn't be that sweet and I'd probably want to get back to the only life I did fit with (inside). Release from prison is too sharp a shock. It should be staggered. If it was, maybe my grandfather wouldn't have died so soon after release and I'd have got to know him.
I worked in prisons (occasionally) as part of my last job and I reckon you could do it. Although you do need to adopt a certain attitude and I'd never act in a prison as I act here.