Yes, it is normal. I do my best to try to reason with them. Some can be but most are "internet trolls", in those cases it's what they look to do on all kinds of forums. It's annoying and rude and completely unsympathetic. What makes it worse is they're finding like-minded people. But when I open a post I like the look of and see it happening to someone else, I try to stand up for them. I'm clear, concise, logical, and do my best not to be rude, emotional, or mean (I'm only human though so I'm sure I fail). It tends to make a bully upset when they have no real argument against what you're saying and they start saying stupid things or things that don't make sense. I also report it. And if someone is like that to me, I firmly don't accept it while also trying not to be dramatic and over emotional since that only fuels their fire instead of taking it away. If you see someone faltering under a bully on here or anywhere online, please report it or at least try to help. A lot of the people on here are genuinely looking for help on personal matters or want to share opinions. Those are the people this website was made for and they deserve a safe space for that.
A sense of humor should not include intentionally putting someone down when you know that they don't find it funny for your own amusement and for the amusement of a very select people. That's called being a bully and if someone acting that way doesn't know the difference then they probably are one, whether or not they realize it.
It's not that most people are so sensitive they worry about it a ton or stay up late crying because the bullying is "that bad" (because it isn't always), it's just that it's annoying and makes whatever that person was doing/saying less fun.
"intentionally putting someone down when you know that they don't find it funny for your own amusement"
Thats not trolling. But allow me to reason here, i am abit harsh at times i know. But the problem is that if you say something that upsets a person they respond the same way, and the second you back down they heap shit on you, acting like they've won some big victory. "Give them an inch they take a mile" so to speak. I've been quite mean to other people on here, but they've been just as hurtful in response. As i see it, the people who get bullied off this site or cry and complain have no business debating with adults if they're as sensitive as a six year old. Most of them only start crying if they're losing the argument, but ofcourse they're still trying to win it aren't they? I get people calling me names on here and so do alot of others, but you don't see us leaving IIN or reporting people, because we're adults, not snitches and not children that haven't learnt the art of verbal jousting.
It's true that you're not the only mean one and it's probably true that people have been mean to you when you didn't deserve it. Sometimes people are just having a bad day or retaliate without thinking until it escalates. Sometimes not. When you were being what I felt was unkind and harsh to me, I did my best not to be as mean back. I retaliated but tried to control it and keep it more logical than emotional. I'm not perfect, no one is, so of course I fail sometimes. But just because someone is being mean to you or to me, does that mean we need to be mean back? Or be mean to them later on for something else? Or be mean to someone who did nothing to us later on? Let me put it another way: Is it ok for someone to say they whipped their children so hard and frequently that it left scars on their backs because that person's parents did it to them? Or that I should be mean to a Mormon because there was a Mormon who had been mean to me first? While that's an extreme analogy (simply because it gets the point across better), it represents a mixture of an "eye for an eye" and "I'll do it to them before they do it to me". When applied to social situations, that, too, is an immature train of thought that unfortunately a lot of us get taught. But just because we're taught it, doesn't make it right. I mean my father was taught to look down on colored people but he doesn't now and he married my mother who was half Mexican.
I guess what I'm saying is, it's not a very happy way to live. Perpetuating the unhappiness and mistreatment is bad for others and it's especially bad for yourself.
It's kind of like what most great spiritual people in our world have said at one point or another (and great thinkers too, not just believers in a God/Goddess). It's always been along the same lines. "Treat others as you would like to be treated", "Turn the other cheek" (although there's now some speculation on how that one as been translated), and other things like empathy, understanding, and being a source of happiness because it's good for everyone involved. That doesn't always mean don't defend yourself, just that being mean is not good.
This is a website for adults, adults should be mature and to try to make someone else feel small in order to make yourself feel bigger is not the way to do it. You can be smarter than someone or think that you're right or whatever without starting something mean, ya know?
I am not going to worry about someone else not being able to take a joke, those people just want sympathy...we've all got our own problems so sorry but i've got not compasion for their fake "poor me" attitude.
But agian i would direct you to my first statment as it is perfect and the undivided truth.
Like this one for instance. She/he/it has a terrible wit, the communication skills of a brain damaged turtle, yet still wants to start something. This is the point i'm trying to make nightress777.
Oh shut up you cat ! I know your a troll this has already been agreed apon with other members not to mention every comment you make contridicts the last comment you make and you are insulting to most poeple. The ultimate troll should not be talking . trolololololololol
A troll tricks people, i think you'll find i haven't tricked anybody. My opinions are just harsh, but they're still my opinions.
I think you'll find very few contradictions in my serious answers.
And for the record, you Allistalla aren't even able to write coherently most of the time, so why should i listen to you? You're immature and uneducated. Just look at your last two comebacks, they're nothing.
I do tend to like your responses when they are not mean. You're clearly a very smart person. And quite possibly a kool (I know that's misspelled, I just like to spell it that way to differentiate between "cool" the temperature and "cool" the description of a person being fun or awesome in some degree) one.
And you're right, Allistalla did say something that was entirely uncalled for and rude. Plus, it was more childish than the things I see you normally say (though I can't say that definitively since I haven't been around long) when you say mean things.
But again, does that mean you have to stoop to that level? Or that they do? Either of you can be better than that, it's a choice. How you react to someone else with words is a choice and it can take control.
For arguments sake, if you are WAY smarter than Allistalla (and I'm not saying that you are because I don't know for sure either way and even if I did, it would be rude to state it out right), does that mean you have to treat them like they are less of a person for it? It's like those really great scientists... um.... Richard Dawkins for example. He's a genius. He knows so much and has had such an amazing career. But a lot of people see him as an ass. It's because he can't just accept that he thinks he has a superior mind in a lot of ways, he lords it over people in a really mean way. Especially religious people. So you may be superior but that doesn't mean you have to lord it over them.
"You'll attract more bees with honey than with vinegar"
This website would be a much better place if people were not mean, the whole world would be. You can't control others but you can control yourself. Negativity poisons people from the inside out but positivity can only help.
(lol both of those were like feel good quotes :P but you get the point)
I like you though, we should talk more :)
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Yes, it is normal. I do my best to try to reason with them. Some can be but most are "internet trolls", in those cases it's what they look to do on all kinds of forums. It's annoying and rude and completely unsympathetic. What makes it worse is they're finding like-minded people. But when I open a post I like the look of and see it happening to someone else, I try to stand up for them. I'm clear, concise, logical, and do my best not to be rude, emotional, or mean (I'm only human though so I'm sure I fail). It tends to make a bully upset when they have no real argument against what you're saying and they start saying stupid things or things that don't make sense. I also report it. And if someone is like that to me, I firmly don't accept it while also trying not to be dramatic and over emotional since that only fuels their fire instead of taking it away. If you see someone faltering under a bully on here or anywhere online, please report it or at least try to help. A lot of the people on here are genuinely looking for help on personal matters or want to share opinions. Those are the people this website was made for and they deserve a safe space for that.
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You don't seem to understand the difference between a troll and a sense of humour though.
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A sense of humor should not include intentionally putting someone down when you know that they don't find it funny for your own amusement and for the amusement of a very select people. That's called being a bully and if someone acting that way doesn't know the difference then they probably are one, whether or not they realize it.
It's not that most people are so sensitive they worry about it a ton or stay up late crying because the bullying is "that bad" (because it isn't always), it's just that it's annoying and makes whatever that person was doing/saying less fun.
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"intentionally putting someone down when you know that they don't find it funny for your own amusement"
Thats not trolling. But allow me to reason here, i am abit harsh at times i know. But the problem is that if you say something that upsets a person they respond the same way, and the second you back down they heap shit on you, acting like they've won some big victory. "Give them an inch they take a mile" so to speak. I've been quite mean to other people on here, but they've been just as hurtful in response. As i see it, the people who get bullied off this site or cry and complain have no business debating with adults if they're as sensitive as a six year old. Most of them only start crying if they're losing the argument, but ofcourse they're still trying to win it aren't they? I get people calling me names on here and so do alot of others, but you don't see us leaving IIN or reporting people, because we're adults, not snitches and not children that haven't learnt the art of verbal jousting.
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It's true that you're not the only mean one and it's probably true that people have been mean to you when you didn't deserve it. Sometimes people are just having a bad day or retaliate without thinking until it escalates. Sometimes not. When you were being what I felt was unkind and harsh to me, I did my best not to be as mean back. I retaliated but tried to control it and keep it more logical than emotional. I'm not perfect, no one is, so of course I fail sometimes. But just because someone is being mean to you or to me, does that mean we need to be mean back? Or be mean to them later on for something else? Or be mean to someone who did nothing to us later on? Let me put it another way: Is it ok for someone to say they whipped their children so hard and frequently that it left scars on their backs because that person's parents did it to them? Or that I should be mean to a Mormon because there was a Mormon who had been mean to me first? While that's an extreme analogy (simply because it gets the point across better), it represents a mixture of an "eye for an eye" and "I'll do it to them before they do it to me". When applied to social situations, that, too, is an immature train of thought that unfortunately a lot of us get taught. But just because we're taught it, doesn't make it right. I mean my father was taught to look down on colored people but he doesn't now and he married my mother who was half Mexican.
I guess what I'm saying is, it's not a very happy way to live. Perpetuating the unhappiness and mistreatment is bad for others and it's especially bad for yourself.
It's kind of like what most great spiritual people in our world have said at one point or another (and great thinkers too, not just believers in a God/Goddess). It's always been along the same lines. "Treat others as you would like to be treated", "Turn the other cheek" (although there's now some speculation on how that one as been translated), and other things like empathy, understanding, and being a source of happiness because it's good for everyone involved. That doesn't always mean don't defend yourself, just that being mean is not good.
This is a website for adults, adults should be mature and to try to make someone else feel small in order to make yourself feel bigger is not the way to do it. You can be smarter than someone or think that you're right or whatever without starting something mean, ya know?
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I am not going to worry about someone else not being able to take a joke, those people just want sympathy...we've all got our own problems so sorry but i've got not compasion for their fake "poor me" attitude.
But agian i would direct you to my first statment as it is perfect and the undivided truth.
you smelly troll cat .
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Like this one for instance. She/he/it has a terrible wit, the communication skills of a brain damaged turtle, yet still wants to start something. This is the point i'm trying to make nightress777.
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Oh shut up you cat ! I know your a troll this has already been agreed apon with other members not to mention every comment you make contridicts the last comment you make and you are insulting to most poeple. The ultimate troll should not be talking . trolololololololol
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A troll tricks people, i think you'll find i haven't tricked anybody. My opinions are just harsh, but they're still my opinions.
I think you'll find very few contradictions in my serious answers.
And for the record, you Allistalla aren't even able to write coherently most of the time, so why should i listen to you? You're immature and uneducated. Just look at your last two comebacks, they're nothing.
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I do tend to like your responses when they are not mean. You're clearly a very smart person. And quite possibly a kool (I know that's misspelled, I just like to spell it that way to differentiate between "cool" the temperature and "cool" the description of a person being fun or awesome in some degree) one.
And you're right, Allistalla did say something that was entirely uncalled for and rude. Plus, it was more childish than the things I see you normally say (though I can't say that definitively since I haven't been around long) when you say mean things.
But again, does that mean you have to stoop to that level? Or that they do? Either of you can be better than that, it's a choice. How you react to someone else with words is a choice and it can take control.
For arguments sake, if you are WAY smarter than Allistalla (and I'm not saying that you are because I don't know for sure either way and even if I did, it would be rude to state it out right), does that mean you have to treat them like they are less of a person for it? It's like those really great scientists... um.... Richard Dawkins for example. He's a genius. He knows so much and has had such an amazing career. But a lot of people see him as an ass. It's because he can't just accept that he thinks he has a superior mind in a lot of ways, he lords it over people in a really mean way. Especially religious people. So you may be superior but that doesn't mean you have to lord it over them.
"You'll attract more bees with honey than with vinegar"
This website would be a much better place if people were not mean, the whole world would be. You can't control others but you can control yourself. Negativity poisons people from the inside out but positivity can only help.
(lol both of those were like feel good quotes :P but you get the point)
I like you though, we should talk more :)