Indeed and I don't mean to walk my words back, but most muslims support this evil ideology-however a sizable minority would leave it if given the freedom to do so, especially girls/women and those living in the mideast where 'pure' Islam is much more terrifying.
While your idea is noble, I believe that it'd fall on deaf ears unfortunately. It'd be like us telling Christians "there is no god." The fact is that they were indoctrinated into their beliefs using unreason, and people like you and I de-brainwashed ourselves.
So a similar intellectual revolution needs to take place in religious people's minds. But before that can happen, the fascist bullies and thugs (like imams and theocratic politicans) need to be deposed-because they're really pushing this crap on the population and keeping them underfoot.
I'm not too sure if I was de-brainwashed, as I grew up not going to church on Sundays or 'praising the lord' at the drop of the hat!
I notice that in the US, many people DO speak of de-brainwashing, as religion must be so much interwined into your culture that its looked upon as normal, when it couldn't be further from the truth!
My 'feelings' are that we need to look forward at generations.
Look at it this way. Everyone alive in the world today (even babies born right now) will be dead in about 100 years (when you think about that, its absolutely devastating, but natural) Anyway, if education and people being as open as possible, continually 'talking about religion' and becoming aware that there are 'other' points of view (ie Evolution, and inevitable life on other worlds/galaxies, space exploration and discovery etc) including known facts and 'natural' reasoning. THEN, we may be able to help the 'kids' or the next generation, and all will be fine :)
So 'de-brainwashing' (although I agree helps individuals) may not be the best answer to all the NEW babies been born in a religious home (even if that's in Israel) As this number (of babies) far exceeds the 'de-brainwashing' of individuals.
What needs to happen is a change (or waking up) in the next generation ie Pamphlet idea LOL :D
Even though most people die within 100 years, the fact is that muslims have high birth rates and they brainwash their kids to be muslims, so they cycle is never-ending.
What needs to occur first is the destruction of the ideology by taking out it's leaders and practitioners, then re-education camps for those willing to convert. It's certainly better than total warfare where we wipe out hundreds of millions of people.
But no one should have any illusions, Islam is much worse than Nazism, because at least the Nazis didn't want us all living in the 7th century or stone/honor-kill our women, etc.
It's the most violent and evil death cult in human history. I'm just hoping our elites wake up in time because we're headed for WW3 against Islam.
The issue with that is this. Most of the kids are made to believe that anyways. So even if you bring them over and offer them better lives and money they will not take it. They are so stuck to the religion they are not going to reeducate they are going to be stubborn through and through. We have no way of killing a religion so ingrained in their heads. You can not reeducate a Muslim. That is how faithful they are to their religion. When you ingrain a religion that deeply it is not possible to remove it. Not to mention how many people are going to say it is against human rights to do such a thing. That plan would never go through.
Well we now understand the world is not flat!
Plus witches brewing up their potions concept seem to be of the past. No drowning the witch to confirm anymore, SCIENCE helped there too.
Earth is NOT the center of the universe!!
Actually I could go on all day.
The 'plan' will inevitably work. Its already working. People/kids the world is waking up and seeing religion as ridiculous.
You know none of your logic is going together correctly? I am sorry I think I am going to have to end the conversation. I can not talk to someone with 0 education and knows nothing about the world. I mean it will take me years to begin to educate you. Sorry your case is to extreme I can not help you.
I am so sad you never learned anything. I am sure a school even a cheap public one would teach you the different religions and how they all work. I guess you never got a good education as I can tell you are very poorly educated. For that I am truly sorry. I might try to help you learn but I am not sure what would best help such a ignorant man. The center of the universe is the sun you worthless twit. Most religion teaches you to be a good person and care about others and not brake the rules. Science tells you how things work. So you are telling me that you think you can not be a good person and know things? So by this you are telling me you are a bad person but that will not fit since you are obviously very stupid. So on top of being stupid you are a bad person? Is that what you are telling me? Well that is not looking good for you at all.
The center of the universe is NOT the sun. Good luck trying to show how NON scientific you are to me.
Religion does NOT teach, it INSTRUCTS.
"Religions are our fantasy when reality is too complex to understand. Simple people like simple answers. How did the universe begin ? Simple - God magically made it. Complex - in the Science of cosmology you can learn about how the universe exists and what we have observed about it's beginnings. The simple answer takes 2 seconds. The complex answer takes 10-15 years of dedicated study and even then, you still won't have all the answers you were looking for, but you will have facts, evidence, observation, models that have predictive capabilities, truth and reality. God & Faith are never answers to anything. They are when you want to give up and let your mind enjoy the simple, untruthful fantasy of knowing nothing at all."
Is it normal I hate Religion?
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Indeed and I don't mean to walk my words back, but most muslims support this evil ideology-however a sizable minority would leave it if given the freedom to do so, especially girls/women and those living in the mideast where 'pure' Islam is much more terrifying.
While your idea is noble, I believe that it'd fall on deaf ears unfortunately. It'd be like us telling Christians "there is no god." The fact is that they were indoctrinated into their beliefs using unreason, and people like you and I de-brainwashed ourselves.
So a similar intellectual revolution needs to take place in religious people's minds. But before that can happen, the fascist bullies and thugs (like imams and theocratic politicans) need to be deposed-because they're really pushing this crap on the population and keeping them underfoot.
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I'm not too sure if I was de-brainwashed, as I grew up not going to church on Sundays or 'praising the lord' at the drop of the hat!
I notice that in the US, many people DO speak of de-brainwashing, as religion must be so much interwined into your culture that its looked upon as normal, when it couldn't be further from the truth!
My 'feelings' are that we need to look forward at generations.
Look at it this way. Everyone alive in the world today (even babies born right now) will be dead in about 100 years (when you think about that, its absolutely devastating, but natural) Anyway, if education and people being as open as possible, continually 'talking about religion' and becoming aware that there are 'other' points of view (ie Evolution, and inevitable life on other worlds/galaxies, space exploration and discovery etc) including known facts and 'natural' reasoning. THEN, we may be able to help the 'kids' or the next generation, and all will be fine :)
So 'de-brainwashing' (although I agree helps individuals) may not be the best answer to all the NEW babies been born in a religious home (even if that's in Israel) As this number (of babies) far exceeds the 'de-brainwashing' of individuals.
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Even though most people die within 100 years, the fact is that muslims have high birth rates and they brainwash their kids to be muslims, so they cycle is never-ending.
What needs to occur first is the destruction of the ideology by taking out it's leaders and practitioners, then re-education camps for those willing to convert. It's certainly better than total warfare where we wipe out hundreds of millions of people.
But no one should have any illusions, Islam is much worse than Nazism, because at least the Nazis didn't want us all living in the 7th century or stone/honor-kill our women, etc.
It's the most violent and evil death cult in human history. I'm just hoping our elites wake up in time because we're headed for WW3 against Islam.
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The issue with that is this. Most of the kids are made to believe that anyways. So even if you bring them over and offer them better lives and money they will not take it. They are so stuck to the religion they are not going to reeducate they are going to be stubborn through and through. We have no way of killing a religion so ingrained in their heads. You can not reeducate a Muslim. That is how faithful they are to their religion. When you ingrain a religion that deeply it is not possible to remove it. Not to mention how many people are going to say it is against human rights to do such a thing. That plan would never go through.
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Well we now understand the world is not flat!
Plus witches brewing up their potions concept seem to be of the past. No drowning the witch to confirm anymore, SCIENCE helped there too.
Earth is NOT the center of the universe!!
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You know none of your logic is going together correctly? I am sorry I think I am going to have to end the conversation. I can not talk to someone with 0 education and knows nothing about the world. I mean it will take me years to begin to educate you. Sorry your case is to extreme I can not help you.
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I am so sad you never learned anything. I am sure a school even a cheap public one would teach you the different religions and how they all work. I guess you never got a good education as I can tell you are very poorly educated. For that I am truly sorry. I might try to help you learn but I am not sure what would best help such a ignorant man. The center of the universe is the sun you worthless twit. Most religion teaches you to be a good person and care about others and not brake the rules. Science tells you how things work. So you are telling me that you think you can not be a good person and know things? So by this you are telling me you are a bad person but that will not fit since you are obviously very stupid. So on top of being stupid you are a bad person? Is that what you are telling me? Well that is not looking good for you at all.
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The center of the universe is NOT the sun. Good luck trying to show how NON scientific you are to me.
Religion does NOT teach, it INSTRUCTS.
"Religions are our fantasy when reality is too complex to understand. Simple people like simple answers. How did the universe begin ? Simple - God magically made it. Complex - in the Science of cosmology you can learn about how the universe exists and what we have observed about it's beginnings. The simple answer takes 2 seconds. The complex answer takes 10-15 years of dedicated study and even then, you still won't have all the answers you were looking for, but you will have facts, evidence, observation, models that have predictive capabilities, truth and reality. God & Faith are never answers to anything. They are when you want to give up and let your mind enjoy the simple, untruthful fantasy of knowing nothing at all."