People like you are the reason that Transmen such as myself fear coming out. That attitude of "i'll never be a real man" Well, y'know what. I've never touched hormones, i've had no surgery, but I AM A MAN! Why? because that's how i believe i should be; how i will be. If anyone reads this that needs help, don't listen to that person.
YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE; NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT BUT YOU!
Then you are deluded. There is more to being a man than just a penis and muscle. Both the genders have different mind sets. You can change the body as much as you want, but that doesn't make you the real deal. You may not want to hear it, but it is the truth.
I disagree. It's my opinion that people who want a sex change generally feel that their mindset is already at odds with their body; they want to change their body to comply with their mindset. For example, the OP probably feels that s/he has a male mindset, and this is held back by his/her female body.
Also, a sex change generally involves hormones, which would change a person's mindset to that of their "new gender" regardless of what it would be like before.
I think that born man who has a sex change into a woman is as much a woman as born woman, and the same goes for female to male transsexuals.
The main thing I don't like about what you said is that you say it is truth. Just because you have an opinion, doesn't mean you are allowed to call it truth, as if calling it truth discounts the validity of the other person's viewpoint. You should at least be willing to listen to other people's points of view; claiming your point to be true when it's clearly disputable is close-minded. You can only call truth on an evidence-based discussion, and this is a philosophical one about when gender starts and begins. There is no correct answer, there is no truth.
You are free to disagree with my opinion about what makes a man a man and a woman a woman, but you can't claim your point to be true because nobody can be right in this discussion.
I dissagree. I don't think that somebody feeling as if they're a male mean they have a males mindset. It's one thing to act like a male, but thinking like a male is different.
Yes, but it would be a fake male mind set, which is what I said originally. I'm not sure if these hormones make them have the male mind set 100%, either. I may be wrong, though.
I don't agree with that bit. Sure it is a sad thing that they were born in the body of the gender they don't want to be, but I don't think they can be exactly like the gender they're not but want to be, there are too many differences between the two genders to just turn one in to a man to a real woman, and the same in reverse.
I agree, I shouldn't of said it as truth, bu I do believe what I said to be true.
I believe there is truth. There are physical differences between the female and male brain, so if one is a woman's brain, she is a woman, etc.
While there are some differences between male and female brains on average, it isn't possible to sex ID a brain. There is far too much variation in the general population to make such broad generalizations about sex and brain structure as you appear to believe. Doing so results in harmful, inaccurate stereotypes and also has the effect of erasing transgender and intersex people. The same applies to cognitive styles and variations related to sex. And yes, sex is on a spectrum and it has a bimodal distribution. There are all kinds of variations between what's considered "standard" male and female biology and physiology. And hormone treatments do actually influence emotions and behavior. Hormone exposure in utero as well as an individual's natural endocrine function also influence sex, sexuality, gender ID, and gender expression in life. Sex and gender are not clear-cut; sex and gender are not binary systems, whether you're talking about biology, physiology, psychology, etc.
There is no "male" brain, not is there a "female" brain. Differences on average do not accurately represent the diversity within existing populations.
I honestly kind of feel like this would be a difficult statement to make with 100% accuracy, simply because it's near impossible to fully understand the way another mind thinks. But that's just my two cents, I say they should think about it, get the necessary counselling and make absolutely sure it's what they truly want.
Plus, I've always wondered how often is it that a transgender is a child who was born with ambiguous genetalia? It's more common than people think, and of course it's fixed before the child leaves the hospital. I remember I read an article a while back about a "girl" who never had her period and when she went to the doctors she found out she was supposed to be a man, but the doctors snipped the wrong thing. Until the child hits puberty there's no way of knowing if they made the right decision or not.
Is it normal I hate being born female?
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People like you are the reason that Transmen such as myself fear coming out. That attitude of "i'll never be a real man" Well, y'know what. I've never touched hormones, i've had no surgery, but I AM A MAN! Why? because that's how i believe i should be; how i will be. If anyone reads this that needs help, don't listen to that person.
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Then you are deluded. There is more to being a man than just a penis and muscle. Both the genders have different mind sets. You can change the body as much as you want, but that doesn't make you the real deal. You may not want to hear it, but it is the truth.
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I disagree. It's my opinion that people who want a sex change generally feel that their mindset is already at odds with their body; they want to change their body to comply with their mindset. For example, the OP probably feels that s/he has a male mindset, and this is held back by his/her female body.
Also, a sex change generally involves hormones, which would change a person's mindset to that of their "new gender" regardless of what it would be like before.
I think that born man who has a sex change into a woman is as much a woman as born woman, and the same goes for female to male transsexuals.
The main thing I don't like about what you said is that you say it is truth. Just because you have an opinion, doesn't mean you are allowed to call it truth, as if calling it truth discounts the validity of the other person's viewpoint. You should at least be willing to listen to other people's points of view; claiming your point to be true when it's clearly disputable is close-minded. You can only call truth on an evidence-based discussion, and this is a philosophical one about when gender starts and begins. There is no correct answer, there is no truth.
You are free to disagree with my opinion about what makes a man a man and a woman a woman, but you can't claim your point to be true because nobody can be right in this discussion.
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I dissagree. I don't think that somebody feeling as if they're a male mean they have a males mindset. It's one thing to act like a male, but thinking like a male is different.
Yes, but it would be a fake male mind set, which is what I said originally. I'm not sure if these hormones make them have the male mind set 100%, either. I may be wrong, though.
I don't agree with that bit. Sure it is a sad thing that they were born in the body of the gender they don't want to be, but I don't think they can be exactly like the gender they're not but want to be, there are too many differences between the two genders to just turn one in to a man to a real woman, and the same in reverse.
I agree, I shouldn't of said it as truth, bu I do believe what I said to be true.
I believe there is truth. There are physical differences between the female and male brain, so if one is a woman's brain, she is a woman, etc.
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You don't understand what androgens are or do, do you?
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And there was me trying to treat you with respect, just for you to try poke at me. Lesson learned.
I don't, which is why I mentioned "But I may be wrong".
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Why are you trying to make me feel guilty lol? wtf
While there are some differences between male and female brains on average, it isn't possible to sex ID a brain. There is far too much variation in the general population to make such broad generalizations about sex and brain structure as you appear to believe. Doing so results in harmful, inaccurate stereotypes and also has the effect of erasing transgender and intersex people. The same applies to cognitive styles and variations related to sex. And yes, sex is on a spectrum and it has a bimodal distribution. There are all kinds of variations between what's considered "standard" male and female biology and physiology. And hormone treatments do actually influence emotions and behavior. Hormone exposure in utero as well as an individual's natural endocrine function also influence sex, sexuality, gender ID, and gender expression in life. Sex and gender are not clear-cut; sex and gender are not binary systems, whether you're talking about biology, physiology, psychology, etc.
There is no "male" brain, not is there a "female" brain. Differences on average do not accurately represent the diversity within existing populations.
I honestly kind of feel like this would be a difficult statement to make with 100% accuracy, simply because it's near impossible to fully understand the way another mind thinks. But that's just my two cents, I say they should think about it, get the necessary counselling and make absolutely sure it's what they truly want.
Plus, I've always wondered how often is it that a transgender is a child who was born with ambiguous genetalia? It's more common than people think, and of course it's fixed before the child leaves the hospital. I remember I read an article a while back about a "girl" who never had her period and when she went to the doctors she found out she was supposed to be a man, but the doctors snipped the wrong thing. Until the child hits puberty there's no way of knowing if they made the right decision or not.