If you really want a job, you are going to have to get off the computer, out of the house and wear out a pair of shoes or two. Those with jobs available are sick to death of applicants calling, texting, sending resumes and generally showing their laziness in applying.
So, if you want a job, go bang on some doors, make a pest of yourself and show those with jobs available how much you want the job. Don't take no for an answer; keep coming back, at least until security walks you out of the building.
Good luck.
Many jobs can ONLY be applied to online now - it's a quick way of employers filtering out weak candidates quickly and often saves time for them as much as for the applicants.
Many multi-national companies only advertise vacancies online, and only accept initial applications online before selecting the strongest to interview.
The idea that dead-dropping CVs in to whatever establishment is open and pestering those who aren't interested is somehow more effective is pretty outdated and naive.
Oh and the idea that people applying online are just too lazy to step outside is plain stupid.
Somehow I didn't see the OP as seeking work from a multinational company.
But if one needs a job, especially in this market, then I still maintain one must go out and get it. Being one of the herd, being unremarkable and unmemorable, I'm pretty sure employers aren't going to be dialing YOUR smart phone.
From your responses (thumbs down) I pretty much get the idea there are a whole lot of you sitting around waiting for the world to come knock on your door.
Perhaps you are all absolutely right, but 4 years ago, at the height of the recession, when there were only three employers seeking employees with my skill set, in the whole country, I got one of those three jobs. How many of you can say the same? Perhaps the old shit head does know a thing or two, huh? No, probably not. He's just old and stupid and has old timer's disease.
But hey, thumb me down and do it your way; I'm sure you will succeed, maybe.
"4 years ago, at the height of the recession," I applied to several jobs online, received several interviews and offers, got a job. I'm still employed.
Sure, there might be some companies who still favour applications in person. It undoubtedly varies from industry to industry, country to country.
But, for the most part, companies will advertise vacancies online and have at least some initial application stage on their website.
The time to stand out is first through your cover letter and CV (resumé), second through the interview and third - if hired - whilst working the job.
The information and opportunities gleaned from wandering around pestering local businesses is probably the same or less than from scouring the internet. I've done both, and found the latter more effective. In fact, frequently I was told in person to visit the company website and apply for vacancies online.
You seriously need a reality check. You would realize that most company's are forcing people to apply online. Places like McDonald, Walmart, Starbucks.
Those are companies people age 16-20 apply for as part time work. They all say to apply online. So while in the past in your childhood it made more sense to go in person the world isn't like that anymore. You need an update and you need to stop living in the past.
Wake up and realize you are in the 2000s not the 50s like youre probably still stuck in.
Its not valid. The world does not work like that anymore. I stopped going in person since every time I do they tell me go online. So when you go in person and they say go online how is that lazy?
It's good to be respectful to people who are in turn being respectful - and, although gypsysailor's tone was pretty patronising, he was being generous by offering advice.
I don't dispute your advice, but the majority of companies that I know of prefer online applications, including the one that I work for. I applied to every job I have gotten online, including this one and as completely anonymously of hundreds of unknowns, stood out for a couple of details and got the job. Even state jobs are online and they DO contact qualified applicants. Whether knowing people there or not will help you depends on your qualifications and the job in question.
The jobs that I know of for which your advice is most sound are jobs in small businesses (like my uncle's, for example) and higher profile jobs where familiarity is key.
I don't dispute your advice, still, because that job I have NOW, I got because I have friends and one of them pointed me in the right direction. Otherwise, I would have never known of it, as my company doesn't really advertise. Obviously, there is more to this "socialising" thing than simple internet job hunting can provide.
He is probably from the 50s or 60s were computers were not very important. It is probably not having any effect on them since they got their work a LONG time ago. Some people dont know how to progress when the times do.
He presumes people apply online or telephone because they're lazy, and says they would be more successful banging on doors and screaming at people for a job.
When in fact many companies only accept online applications and banging on doors and screaming at people for a job isn't a great idea or necessary in today's society.
Obviously it's good to remember that not every job is offered online, not every company (or industry) advertises online and sometimes networking is a more important tool than the ability to use a search engine. But that's not quite how he phrased it.
I imagine it was also the condescending tone that resulted in the thumbs down.
well i understand his sentiment, but that not the world we live in anymore for the most part.
Like most, not many will direct you to apply online if you ask, even crappy part-time work, i mean hell i had a "skype" interview for the new job im currently starting, and that seem weird to me too, but 3 hours later i got a call telling me they wanted to fly me to Orlando for training. so times are changing
Is it normal for there to be so many fake job leads?
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If you really want a job, you are going to have to get off the computer, out of the house and wear out a pair of shoes or two. Those with jobs available are sick to death of applicants calling, texting, sending resumes and generally showing their laziness in applying.
So, if you want a job, go bang on some doors, make a pest of yourself and show those with jobs available how much you want the job. Don't take no for an answer; keep coming back, at least until security walks you out of the building.
Good luck.
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Many jobs can ONLY be applied to online now - it's a quick way of employers filtering out weak candidates quickly and often saves time for them as much as for the applicants.
Many multi-national companies only advertise vacancies online, and only accept initial applications online before selecting the strongest to interview.
The idea that dead-dropping CVs in to whatever establishment is open and pestering those who aren't interested is somehow more effective is pretty outdated and naive.
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Somehow I didn't see the OP as seeking work from a multinational company.
But if one needs a job, especially in this market, then I still maintain one must go out and get it. Being one of the herd, being unremarkable and unmemorable, I'm pretty sure employers aren't going to be dialing YOUR smart phone.
From your responses (thumbs down) I pretty much get the idea there are a whole lot of you sitting around waiting for the world to come knock on your door.
Perhaps you are all absolutely right, but 4 years ago, at the height of the recession, when there were only three employers seeking employees with my skill set, in the whole country, I got one of those three jobs. How many of you can say the same? Perhaps the old shit head does know a thing or two, huh? No, probably not. He's just old and stupid and has old timer's disease.
But hey, thumb me down and do it your way; I'm sure you will succeed, maybe.
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"4 years ago, at the height of the recession," I applied to several jobs online, received several interviews and offers, got a job. I'm still employed.
Sure, there might be some companies who still favour applications in person. It undoubtedly varies from industry to industry, country to country.
But, for the most part, companies will advertise vacancies online and have at least some initial application stage on their website.
The time to stand out is first through your cover letter and CV (resumé), second through the interview and third - if hired - whilst working the job.
The information and opportunities gleaned from wandering around pestering local businesses is probably the same or less than from scouring the internet. I've done both, and found the latter more effective. In fact, frequently I was told in person to visit the company website and apply for vacancies online.
You seriously need a reality check. You would realize that most company's are forcing people to apply online. Places like McDonald, Walmart, Starbucks.
Those are companies people age 16-20 apply for as part time work. They all say to apply online. So while in the past in your childhood it made more sense to go in person the world isn't like that anymore. You need an update and you need to stop living in the past.
Wake up and realize you are in the 2000s not the 50s like youre probably still stuck in.
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Call them up and say you tried to apply on line but the link didn't work they will give you a direct email address. Your welcome.
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Nah they won't, they'll assume you can't use the web like everybody else has done, and tell you to try again.
With this attitude you'll not go far. The man was providing you with great advice.
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Its not valid. The world does not work like that anymore. I stopped going in person since every time I do they tell me go online. So when you go in person and they say go online how is that lazy?
It's good to be respectful to people who are in turn being respectful - and, although gypsysailor's tone was pretty patronising, he was being generous by offering advice.
"Great advice" though? Not so much.
I don't dispute your advice, but the majority of companies that I know of prefer online applications, including the one that I work for. I applied to every job I have gotten online, including this one and as completely anonymously of hundreds of unknowns, stood out for a couple of details and got the job. Even state jobs are online and they DO contact qualified applicants. Whether knowing people there or not will help you depends on your qualifications and the job in question.
The jobs that I know of for which your advice is most sound are jobs in small businesses (like my uncle's, for example) and higher profile jobs where familiarity is key.
I don't dispute your advice, still, because that job I have NOW, I got because I have friends and one of them pointed me in the right direction. Otherwise, I would have never known of it, as my company doesn't really advertise. Obviously, there is more to this "socialising" thing than simple internet job hunting can provide.
We live in a age of outsourcing. I'm not sure what year your mind is stuck in.
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He is probably from the 50s or 60s were computers were not very important. It is probably not having any effect on them since they got their work a LONG time ago. Some people dont know how to progress when the times do.
I don't understand why you have been thumbed down so many times. That's the only reasonable comment I've read so far.
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He presumes people apply online or telephone because they're lazy, and says they would be more successful banging on doors and screaming at people for a job.
When in fact many companies only accept online applications and banging on doors and screaming at people for a job isn't a great idea or necessary in today's society.
Obviously it's good to remember that not every job is offered online, not every company (or industry) advertises online and sometimes networking is a more important tool than the ability to use a search engine. But that's not quite how he phrased it.
I imagine it was also the condescending tone that resulted in the thumbs down.
well i understand his sentiment, but that not the world we live in anymore for the most part.
Like most, not many will direct you to apply online if you ask, even crappy part-time work, i mean hell i had a "skype" interview for the new job im currently starting, and that seem weird to me too, but 3 hours later i got a call telling me they wanted to fly me to Orlando for training. so times are changing
Every-time I go they say thank you for the application but please go sign up on the computer.