I think science and religion would go very well together if people only realized that science is the study of the laws of nature and what is empirical-what we can see.
Nothing in the bible states that evolution did or didn't happen, that humans are not meant to discover how to treat, cure and prevent disease, that humans should not be able to discover the physical wonders around us and be able to manipulate our world to turn the tables in our favor.
An atheist attributes the empirical to science, I attribute science to the workings of God. I accept and embrace all that science has enabled us to do, I attribute the discoveries to the efforts of man enabled by divine workings.
To not be able to accept science along with the divine, in my opinion, is pretty ignorant in and of itself, it shows weakness in faith when you cling to a belief that was not even enforced in the bible, especially if you do things like... I don't know... drive a car, see a doctor, pay attention to what you eat, grow food, eat food, abstain from insulating your house with asbestos, watch TV, own a TV, wear glasses, have AC, abstain from drug use for health reasons, have health reasons, exercise to prolong your life, have lighting in your home, sleep on a comfortable mattress, or believe that anyone in the bible actually did wood working and metal smithing because those requires a fair bit of science too, oh and if you read the bible, the science behind the functioning of the eye and brain when reading is incredible... Science, in my mind, is just as real and valid as the works of God.
Science is a study of the earth, Religion is a study of the metaphysical and meaning of it all. I can dig it.
no 'faith' is required to know that science is real and works-that's the whole point of science, something the religious cannot wrap their heads around.
and religions belong on the same shelf as Greek mythologies and Moby Dick, they're works of fiction.
Don't tell me that primitive, silly, goofy ideas like 'god man made of out dust' is the same as saying we evolved from amino acids.
I don't think that "God made man out of dust" is a statement that should be interpreted literally. I think the statement meant that man was created from essentially nothing, essentially the smallest unit of life, which is the basis of the big bang theory and the theory of evolution, the creation started from the smallest building blocks and amounted to what we see now.
In my opinion, which may or may not be a fact which is why I call it my opinion, science enables human beings to better understand the mechanisms of the world around us and of what was created. It's a great thing. It sucks that many religious people can't understand that, but some of us (at least 15% of active Mormons in the church are pro-science Democrats, which is the official number) ARE open minded to what enables us to live so conveniently.
I don't know where I stated that none of the bible is meant to be taken literally.
But there is quite a bit of metaphorical content (often stemming from translation and language barriers) in the bible. The basic messages of the bible are words of wisdom and those are to be taken seriously. That's part of the challenge of finding the truth within Christianity, and all religions really. Separating bias of the hand of the man that wrote the bible and allowing yourself to be open-minded enough to transcend said language barriers and appreciate the lessons that the bible and all religious texts teach.
It's about finding the truth behind the core principals of spirituality, but if you're completely closed minded to the concepts of spirituality concerning Christianity or any other religion than my sitting here and trying to explain it to you would be in vain. I enjoy studying many religions, even though I am committed to the Christian faith. They help me gain more understanding of spirituality. Studying many religions and applying their lessons to my faith and life is a difficult concept for others to grasp.
So I'll just get to my point. In my opinion, religion and science are just two of many tools one may use to gain a further and purer understanding of the world. One must keep an open mind to all knowledge in order to gain was is true and separate what is truth from what is hype and bias within oneself.
I'm guessing you're in your 20s, still in that learning phase. A stage I passed a long time ago. I read books and threw them away after (not literally but you know what I mean).
Keep researching and maybe along the way read some stuff by Nietzsche, Bertrand Russell, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens.
As for taking the whole bible literally, I made that leap of logic, because Christians have a tendency to shy away from the more ludicrous aspects of the bible when you point them out.
And you are reading into things that are not there. When the Bible said god made man out of dust, that's exactly what it meant, because the Bible was conjured up by primitive humans who didn't understand the universe.
Just read how laughable the 'science' in the Bible is, like the Quran-all of it was taken from the knowledge of their own time.
If god wanted to prove to me that he is real only through his 'holy book', I would've been impressed and more convinced, if it contained Dirac's equation and information about antibiotics many centuries ago.
But of course you'll find none of that, which just proves it's a joke and Christians are morons for following it.
is it normal for physicists to attend church?
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I think science and religion would go very well together if people only realized that science is the study of the laws of nature and what is empirical-what we can see.
Nothing in the bible states that evolution did or didn't happen, that humans are not meant to discover how to treat, cure and prevent disease, that humans should not be able to discover the physical wonders around us and be able to manipulate our world to turn the tables in our favor.
An atheist attributes the empirical to science, I attribute science to the workings of God. I accept and embrace all that science has enabled us to do, I attribute the discoveries to the efforts of man enabled by divine workings.
To not be able to accept science along with the divine, in my opinion, is pretty ignorant in and of itself, it shows weakness in faith when you cling to a belief that was not even enforced in the bible, especially if you do things like... I don't know... drive a car, see a doctor, pay attention to what you eat, grow food, eat food, abstain from insulating your house with asbestos, watch TV, own a TV, wear glasses, have AC, abstain from drug use for health reasons, have health reasons, exercise to prolong your life, have lighting in your home, sleep on a comfortable mattress, or believe that anyone in the bible actually did wood working and metal smithing because those requires a fair bit of science too, oh and if you read the bible, the science behind the functioning of the eye and brain when reading is incredible... Science, in my mind, is just as real and valid as the works of God.
Science is a study of the earth, Religion is a study of the metaphysical and meaning of it all. I can dig it.
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no 'faith' is required to know that science is real and works-that's the whole point of science, something the religious cannot wrap their heads around.
and religions belong on the same shelf as Greek mythologies and Moby Dick, they're works of fiction.
Don't tell me that primitive, silly, goofy ideas like 'god man made of out dust' is the same as saying we evolved from amino acids.
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I don't think that "God made man out of dust" is a statement that should be interpreted literally. I think the statement meant that man was created from essentially nothing, essentially the smallest unit of life, which is the basis of the big bang theory and the theory of evolution, the creation started from the smallest building blocks and amounted to what we see now.
In my opinion, which may or may not be a fact which is why I call it my opinion, science enables human beings to better understand the mechanisms of the world around us and of what was created. It's a great thing. It sucks that many religious people can't understand that, but some of us (at least 15% of active Mormons in the church are pro-science Democrats, which is the official number) ARE open minded to what enables us to live so conveniently.
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well if none of the bible is meant to be taken literally then why do it?
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I don't know where I stated that none of the bible is meant to be taken literally.
But there is quite a bit of metaphorical content (often stemming from translation and language barriers) in the bible. The basic messages of the bible are words of wisdom and those are to be taken seriously. That's part of the challenge of finding the truth within Christianity, and all religions really. Separating bias of the hand of the man that wrote the bible and allowing yourself to be open-minded enough to transcend said language barriers and appreciate the lessons that the bible and all religious texts teach.
It's about finding the truth behind the core principals of spirituality, but if you're completely closed minded to the concepts of spirituality concerning Christianity or any other religion than my sitting here and trying to explain it to you would be in vain. I enjoy studying many religions, even though I am committed to the Christian faith. They help me gain more understanding of spirituality. Studying many religions and applying their lessons to my faith and life is a difficult concept for others to grasp.
So I'll just get to my point. In my opinion, religion and science are just two of many tools one may use to gain a further and purer understanding of the world. One must keep an open mind to all knowledge in order to gain was is true and separate what is truth from what is hype and bias within oneself.
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I'm guessing you're in your 20s, still in that learning phase. A stage I passed a long time ago. I read books and threw them away after (not literally but you know what I mean).
Keep researching and maybe along the way read some stuff by Nietzsche, Bertrand Russell, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens.
As for taking the whole bible literally, I made that leap of logic, because Christians have a tendency to shy away from the more ludicrous aspects of the bible when you point them out.
And you are reading into things that are not there. When the Bible said god made man out of dust, that's exactly what it meant, because the Bible was conjured up by primitive humans who didn't understand the universe.
Just read how laughable the 'science' in the Bible is, like the Quran-all of it was taken from the knowledge of their own time.
If god wanted to prove to me that he is real only through his 'holy book', I would've been impressed and more convinced, if it contained Dirac's equation and information about antibiotics many centuries ago.
But of course you'll find none of that, which just proves it's a joke and Christians are morons for following it.
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I should add, Dirac's 'Monumental' Equation because it deserves that accolade, equally if not more important than Einstein's E=mc^2.