i say fuck armies and soldiers, and fuck people dying for oil and economic interests. puttin your life on the line for family? did someone threaten your family? are you justified to kill people because you have been brainwashed into thinking your family is in danger? there is nothing honorable in leaving corpses behind. fucking drones, grow some brains not only muscle
Ooooh, how curious - the soldier, the innocent kid who joined because he has a sense of duty, because the military promised money to get him through college, who fights and bleeds, who watches his friends die, who faces what the cowards cannot - yes, he is to blame.
Surely it's not the old men, the politicians, the ones who put our brave youth into battle that are to blame, and should have your displeasure directed at them. Surely it's not the ones giving the orders from behind the comfort of their desks and chairs and computers. It couldn't possibly be the ones who prey upon aspects of youth such as courage, honor, patriotism... and yes, fear. Make the young man fear for his family that he is willing to follow your order to charge into battle.
Young, innocent men dying for old, corrupt men, and you blame our soldiers. Where is YOUR brain? I can tell you it never witnessed the horrors of battle. I can tell you it sits back and postulates on the negativity of war (oh yes, it's quite negative), but it ignores the lives of those who are thrown out there in harms way to fight them.
It's truly saddening that you are blind to the cause, and show hatred for the symptoms.
you may be right in some regards, but not in all, because, from what i know, joining the army (and therefore gaining the obligativity to follow old, corrupted men's orders) is...OPTIONAL? how can you possibly join the army and then bitch about fighting and bleeding and watching friends die. but those you kill, ofcourse, have no friends, and they cant bleed, or die for that matter, because they are not fucking human. right? only americans are? i can tell you for sure, that if it comes to that, i am not gonna wear no fucking banner to kill in its name, they are gonna have to shoot me to pieces because i will never kill another man.
Where on earth are you pulling this crazy notion that I don't feel for the soldiers on the other side of the fighting from?? Even if you're "trying to make a point" by saying the people we kill in wars aren't human, it's sick just to use that as a debate tactic.
Like they don't have their own politicians sending them into battle, or corrupt men preying on THEIR fears and idealism.
Yes, the choice to join our Army (and Navy, and Air Force) is optional, but those young men and women are willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of their beliefs. Just as the choice to pick up an AK after your family is killed by a US cruise missile is optional.
Both sides have their own reasons. Only a fool would assume one side is 100% pure and good, and the other side is 100% evil. An even greater fool would fault those that are willing to die for what they believe in.
You don't want to kill, then don't. US soldiers and even terrorists have a harder time deciding not to, when beliefs, safety of family, and freedom to live as they wish are on the line. It's shameful to call someone that has made the decision to go that far a "drone", when the key reason behind the vast majority of combatants is an overabundance of heart and feeling. Neither side is completely innocent or completely guilty.
Sound like a catch 22? It is. War is fucking horrible. The tragedy is that when war happens, the ones out there dying pay the ultimate price. How dare anyone try to belittle their sacrifice, no matter what side they're on.
"Yes, the choice to join our Army (and Navy, and Air Force) is optional, but those young men and women are willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of their beliefs. Just as the choice to pick up an AK after your family is killed by a US cruise missile is optional."
i will never be able to understand how can someone believe in something that makes them put their lives on the line, and by putting life on the line means grabbing a weapon ad risking their own life to take anothers. maybe that something they believe in is wrong.
"Both sides have their own reasons. Only a fool would assume one side is 100% pure and good, and the other side is 100% evil. An even greater fool would fault those that are willing to die for what they believe in."
although the 100% thingy is common sense i'll take the bullet regarding dying for beliefs, i'm a fool who likes to believe in things worth living not dying for.
"Like they don't have their own politicians sending them into battle, or corrupt men preying on THEIR fears and idealism."
if people are aware of this aspect and it actually seems like no side has any real pleasure to do battle then why do they fight? why none of the parts is willing to put weapons aside? why are all the parts willing to sacrifice in order to kill another but none of them is willing to sacrifice in order not to do it?
"It's shameful to call someone that has made the decision to go that far a "drone", when the key reason behind the vast majority of combatants is an overabundance of heart and feeling."
we'll just have to agree to disagree. how can you be overabundant with heart and feelings only towards your own? what makes the others different and worthy only of their owns heart and feelings? what makes one one and the other other? is this not an artificial delimitation that should fall under practical scrutiny? are we not all homo sapiens? should we not try to live with eachother then kill eachother?
"How dare anyone try to belittle their sacrifice, no matter what side they're on."
i'm sorry but their sacrifice is in vain as it only makes room for future oportunities of sacrifices as such.
i want to apologize for ofending you and for my harsh language in my previous posts, and also for my poor english. i'm in no side, i'm not from the us nor from where you'd call it the other side. i'm from a country in europe that had its fair share of sacrifices and wars and they never did us any good. if someone were to attack my country i say let them do it. let them bear the shame of being such brutes. i will not fight back no matter what they do. and even if my side will force me to fight i still wont do it. i'll die for not doing it if it comes to that, and maybe you'll call this cowardice but i'll call it the ultimate sacrifice. i just hope that i would be strong enough to live up to my words.
ofcourse, this is idealism that has no place in our world, and probably never will. but bertrand russel did it before, and there are more who would do it now. but are they enough to make a difference? i'd love to be so optimistic as to think so.
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wow, someone has no idea what putting your life on the line for your family is like. sickening.
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Ooooh, how curious - the soldier, the innocent kid who joined because he has a sense of duty, because the military promised money to get him through college, who fights and bleeds, who watches his friends die, who faces what the cowards cannot - yes, he is to blame.
Surely it's not the old men, the politicians, the ones who put our brave youth into battle that are to blame, and should have your displeasure directed at them. Surely it's not the ones giving the orders from behind the comfort of their desks and chairs and computers. It couldn't possibly be the ones who prey upon aspects of youth such as courage, honor, patriotism... and yes, fear. Make the young man fear for his family that he is willing to follow your order to charge into battle.
Young, innocent men dying for old, corrupt men, and you blame our soldiers. Where is YOUR brain? I can tell you it never witnessed the horrors of battle. I can tell you it sits back and postulates on the negativity of war (oh yes, it's quite negative), but it ignores the lives of those who are thrown out there in harms way to fight them.
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you may be right in some regards, but not in all, because, from what i know, joining the army (and therefore gaining the obligativity to follow old, corrupted men's orders) is...OPTIONAL? how can you possibly join the army and then bitch about fighting and bleeding and watching friends die. but those you kill, ofcourse, have no friends, and they cant bleed, or die for that matter, because they are not fucking human. right? only americans are? i can tell you for sure, that if it comes to that, i am not gonna wear no fucking banner to kill in its name, they are gonna have to shoot me to pieces because i will never kill another man.
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Where on earth are you pulling this crazy notion that I don't feel for the soldiers on the other side of the fighting from?? Even if you're "trying to make a point" by saying the people we kill in wars aren't human, it's sick just to use that as a debate tactic.
Like they don't have their own politicians sending them into battle, or corrupt men preying on THEIR fears and idealism.
Yes, the choice to join our Army (and Navy, and Air Force) is optional, but those young men and women are willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of their beliefs. Just as the choice to pick up an AK after your family is killed by a US cruise missile is optional.
Both sides have their own reasons. Only a fool would assume one side is 100% pure and good, and the other side is 100% evil. An even greater fool would fault those that are willing to die for what they believe in.
You don't want to kill, then don't. US soldiers and even terrorists have a harder time deciding not to, when beliefs, safety of family, and freedom to live as they wish are on the line. It's shameful to call someone that has made the decision to go that far a "drone", when the key reason behind the vast majority of combatants is an overabundance of heart and feeling. Neither side is completely innocent or completely guilty.
Sound like a catch 22? It is. War is fucking horrible. The tragedy is that when war happens, the ones out there dying pay the ultimate price. How dare anyone try to belittle their sacrifice, no matter what side they're on.
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"Yes, the choice to join our Army (and Navy, and Air Force) is optional, but those young men and women are willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of their beliefs. Just as the choice to pick up an AK after your family is killed by a US cruise missile is optional."
i will never be able to understand how can someone believe in something that makes them put their lives on the line, and by putting life on the line means grabbing a weapon ad risking their own life to take anothers. maybe that something they believe in is wrong.
"Both sides have their own reasons. Only a fool would assume one side is 100% pure and good, and the other side is 100% evil. An even greater fool would fault those that are willing to die for what they believe in."
although the 100% thingy is common sense i'll take the bullet regarding dying for beliefs, i'm a fool who likes to believe in things worth living not dying for.
"Like they don't have their own politicians sending them into battle, or corrupt men preying on THEIR fears and idealism."
if people are aware of this aspect and it actually seems like no side has any real pleasure to do battle then why do they fight? why none of the parts is willing to put weapons aside? why are all the parts willing to sacrifice in order to kill another but none of them is willing to sacrifice in order not to do it?
"It's shameful to call someone that has made the decision to go that far a "drone", when the key reason behind the vast majority of combatants is an overabundance of heart and feeling."
we'll just have to agree to disagree. how can you be overabundant with heart and feelings only towards your own? what makes the others different and worthy only of their owns heart and feelings? what makes one one and the other other? is this not an artificial delimitation that should fall under practical scrutiny? are we not all homo sapiens? should we not try to live with eachother then kill eachother?
"How dare anyone try to belittle their sacrifice, no matter what side they're on."
i'm sorry but their sacrifice is in vain as it only makes room for future oportunities of sacrifices as such.
i want to apologize for ofending you and for my harsh language in my previous posts, and also for my poor english. i'm in no side, i'm not from the us nor from where you'd call it the other side. i'm from a country in europe that had its fair share of sacrifices and wars and they never did us any good. if someone were to attack my country i say let them do it. let them bear the shame of being such brutes. i will not fight back no matter what they do. and even if my side will force me to fight i still wont do it. i'll die for not doing it if it comes to that, and maybe you'll call this cowardice but i'll call it the ultimate sacrifice. i just hope that i would be strong enough to live up to my words.
ofcourse, this is idealism that has no place in our world, and probably never will. but bertrand russel did it before, and there are more who would do it now. but are they enough to make a difference? i'd love to be so optimistic as to think so.
whatever, have it your way. p.s. im on no side, trust me on that one.