What i think is that You are likely a very beautiful person at your core, who has unfortunately attached to themselves X number of years of a malignant thought-process (Christianity).
There are many contradictions in the bible. Please look them up elsewhere--I do not have time for a debate.
To you, I may as well be an atheist--I believe that your God does not reign supreme. I believe that if Jesus was on Earth and he said half of the things that he did in the bible, his holiness would evidence itself.
In so many places in the bible a reader can find passages in support of rape, violence, genocide, cold-hearted, unmoving hatred and grudge-holding, "holy" conquest, etc. And God commands all of it, or so the authors would have us believe.
Kinda seems like politics from a couple of thousand years ago...call my bluff on that one...but those men, those authors, are like so many who fail to reach enlightenment in this existence.
So you don't like gays and gay sex. Maybe you should begin with the consideration that the actual, biological response you are having to the thought of gayness is NOT "OMG THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL" so much as, "No wonder I find gayness gross! I'm straight"
I don't dislike gays. It's their actions I don't approve of, God says love thy neighbor... Like I said I have gay friends and love them to death. But I'm just now getting to the point in my religion where I'm learning more about God and becoming more bold for him. But obviously, this is something I struggle with. That's why I wanted an opinion of someone who has been through this!! I want to understand other people I really do! It's not about hate, it's about me sharing what I believe is going to save our souls!! What kind of friend would I be to keep information from someone I love!!
I have a number of points I like discussing with devout Christians when it comes to the topic of homosexuality, but once again will spare a debate.
The biggest reason I believe the biblical stance on homosexuality to be irrelevant is because of its circular nature: "Homosexuality is a sin because God (or Christ) said it to be."
And then, I always ask, but why? What about same-sex sexual interaction is so repulsive to God?
Here's the thing--I'm a rationalist. I definitely have an emotional side, especially with my girlfriend, but about 90% of the time I am a rationalizing machine.
I do not think that I should take giants at face value, only to find that they are giant playing cards that could have easily been toppled with a little push. I like structure and substance behind things.
I can take many of the Bible's main commandments and see the logical processes, and indeed VALUE, behind them. Take not committing murder. Take not coveting others. Take not stealing. Take working hard, but allowing time for rest.
I can both play these ideas out in my head and witness their prominence in the real world, and so I think they have validity.
So what really happens when two men or two women have sex?
If it's two women, I'll tell ya, I think sweeeeeeeeeeet. Not to be a stereotypical man or anything, but I find lesbianism sexy.
And if it's two men, I think, "Huh...not really my style."
If two consenting, CONSENTING adults have sex, then they have sex. Sexuality without consent is obviously detrimental in many ways, which is its own conversation.
Unlike murder and stealing and jealousy, I can't play out homosexual acts to be some grand societal tumor. That said, there are certainly selfish, mean, rude, and even violent homosexuals. But those characteristics, things that I can rationalize as BAD, also obviously exist in the heterosexual population.
So for me, the biblical argument on gay sex as evil falls flat.
IIN for me 2 believe homosexuals should convert to heterosexuality?
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What i think is that You are likely a very beautiful person at your core, who has unfortunately attached to themselves X number of years of a malignant thought-process (Christianity).
There are many contradictions in the bible. Please look them up elsewhere--I do not have time for a debate.
To you, I may as well be an atheist--I believe that your God does not reign supreme. I believe that if Jesus was on Earth and he said half of the things that he did in the bible, his holiness would evidence itself.
In so many places in the bible a reader can find passages in support of rape, violence, genocide, cold-hearted, unmoving hatred and grudge-holding, "holy" conquest, etc. And God commands all of it, or so the authors would have us believe.
Kinda seems like politics from a couple of thousand years ago...call my bluff on that one...but those men, those authors, are like so many who fail to reach enlightenment in this existence.
So you don't like gays and gay sex. Maybe you should begin with the consideration that the actual, biological response you are having to the thought of gayness is NOT "OMG THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL" so much as, "No wonder I find gayness gross! I'm straight"
If you are straight, that is ;)
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I don't dislike gays. It's their actions I don't approve of, God says love thy neighbor... Like I said I have gay friends and love them to death. But I'm just now getting to the point in my religion where I'm learning more about God and becoming more bold for him. But obviously, this is something I struggle with. That's why I wanted an opinion of someone who has been through this!! I want to understand other people I really do! It's not about hate, it's about me sharing what I believe is going to save our souls!! What kind of friend would I be to keep information from someone I love!!
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I have a number of points I like discussing with devout Christians when it comes to the topic of homosexuality, but once again will spare a debate.
The biggest reason I believe the biblical stance on homosexuality to be irrelevant is because of its circular nature: "Homosexuality is a sin because God (or Christ) said it to be."
And then, I always ask, but why? What about same-sex sexual interaction is so repulsive to God?
Here's the thing--I'm a rationalist. I definitely have an emotional side, especially with my girlfriend, but about 90% of the time I am a rationalizing machine.
I do not think that I should take giants at face value, only to find that they are giant playing cards that could have easily been toppled with a little push. I like structure and substance behind things.
I can take many of the Bible's main commandments and see the logical processes, and indeed VALUE, behind them. Take not committing murder. Take not coveting others. Take not stealing. Take working hard, but allowing time for rest.
I can both play these ideas out in my head and witness their prominence in the real world, and so I think they have validity.
So what really happens when two men or two women have sex?
If it's two women, I'll tell ya, I think sweeeeeeeeeeet. Not to be a stereotypical man or anything, but I find lesbianism sexy.
And if it's two men, I think, "Huh...not really my style."
If two consenting, CONSENTING adults have sex, then they have sex. Sexuality without consent is obviously detrimental in many ways, which is its own conversation.
Unlike murder and stealing and jealousy, I can't play out homosexual acts to be some grand societal tumor. That said, there are certainly selfish, mean, rude, and even violent homosexuals. But those characteristics, things that I can rationalize as BAD, also obviously exist in the heterosexual population.
So for me, the biblical argument on gay sex as evil falls flat.