In the grocery I werk at utility clerks have a lot more to do than push carts. At the end of the night there are always things left undone. I assure you, no one would be out of a job. If people made their jobs easier, by not taking the carts to the borders of the parking lot, thereby locking the wheels on the cart, then perhaps management can stop blaming them for not finishing the go-backs. Also, no one should be expected to work in the rain or hot sun for extended periods of time whilst earning minimum wage.
Learned something from that I didn't know. I agree, its inhumane to make you do stupid work when all it takes is courteous people to put the cart back. Its so inefficient to have the carts scattered about. Mostly, I don't want my car to get a mark on it. I park far away for that reason. Sloppiness is disrespectful. Its clutter crappy. Such sloppiness reflects to the poor attitudes of the public in that area. This doesn't happen everywhere. These days, given that sort of job, no you shouldn't have to be in the rain or hot sun. Yes, your employer could easily afford to pay you more. Check out their revenue stream. Its dumb not to pay more. More $ in your pocket = more spending = economic growth that results in that retailer selling more product.
I guess these discourteous people will have to be trained to put the carts back? Some kind of incentive strategy has to be devised. Aldi changes for use of the cart. You get your cart fee back when you put it back. If someone truly can't walk the cart back? Ask for service.
Considering the millions on this planet who don't have nor does it seem that they will ever get a job, to say that "no one should be expected to work in the rain or hot sun for extended periods of time whilst earning minimum wage" is just ridiculous. If somebody doesn't want a job,, or feels that it's just too much of an imposition, I suggest they quit that job and let someone who will appreciate the opportunity to work without complaint to have the job.
Since when do those with no education or job skills get to bitch about a little rain or heat when they have ANY job?
I hate it when someone accepts a job and then bitches about the work involved in doing that job. More effort and less bitching!
Apparently you've never worked retail for minimum wage. Everybody is happy to get the job until they do it. It's hard work for $9.00 an hour; $6 after taxes.
What makes you think that everyone in a grocery store has no education? Half the people there are either working for a degree or they already have one. Myself included.
I don't know what America you remember. Here, in 2015, in Los Angeles, earning minimum wage means you qualify for food stamps. So, no, working in the hot sun or in rain is not worth still needing government aid.
Maybe he worked in the mine shafts of Bolivia when the Spanish conquistadors colonized South America? So, stop complaining, you're lazy. He's like okay with all that because you're better off. By golly, don't whip out an iPhone, he'll assume you're rich and lazy. I doubt it. I've seen the data. You're not kidding about the earnings stagnation across the USA.
There is an exception. There's a huge oil fracking boom going on in North Dakota. That place is in the midst of an economic growth surge.
Living costs in CA = expensive for anyone. I've seen the real estate prices.
You know, attitudes like yours about your work really piss me off. You knew what the job was before you took it or else you are an idiot for not finding out. Therefore, you accepted the position, thereby agreeing to do the work.
If you can't survive on what you are being paid, once again a given fact BEFORE you accepted the job, then perhaps you should learn to live within your means, rather than spending more than you know you will make.
Nobody's going to give me a handout if I want to spend more than my income, why should YOU receive one?
I don't see how me pissing you off is relevant to the discussion . . . I Kind of feel like taking a bow.
Anyway, the job description did not include: tolerating condescending customers, constantly being blamed for things that aren't your fault, being berated by horrible customer for doing your job properly, helping capable but lazy customers who only ask for help because they know it bothers you, acknowledging that all your werk is exists because people are lazy, attaining an overall, lingering dissatisfaction with the status quo of human interpersonal communication. Is that worth $6 (net) an hour? I think not.
Six dollars an hour at 30 hours a week gets you $180. That's $720 in four weeks. A typical studio apartment here in Los Angeles is about $550 a month. A single is about $800. My two bed room is $1200 but I only pay half. I only have about $20 a week of disposable income. I'm sorry but dealing with all the shit noted above is not worth having $20 more than mere survival.
What, you've never, ever been in a retail establishment before? You've never in your life seen how people treat the employees? Nope, I don't buy it; you are just making up bullshit lies now. If you didn't have the intelligence to make sure you understood exactly what you would have to do and put up with when you took the job, then that is YOUR error and no one elses.
If you couldn't live on the wages, well, whose fault is that? Perhaps you should have found a cheaper place to live or more roommates.
But, you know what? "Is that worth $6 (net) an hour? I think not." THEN FUCKING QUIT and go find another job. Just stop bitching and moaning like a child!
Old man is a tad bit jealous of your youth, Armus. He's crabbity. I hope your ignoring his idiocy.
Hey, work ethic is great. But, Gypsy, you're off the deep end. You haven't brought forth any quality evidence for anything you said.
Armor just delivered you some numbers. You want Armus to quit? Genius, I think you've not been in the formal economy for some time, I take it. If Armus quits, he's technically unemployed, that would not be in his favor in this economic climate. Quitting would create a gap in employment which is a red flag you don't want on the resume. One must have a job these days to get one. That's how human resources works with the applications process unless Armus bypasses all of this. Lots of people don't know how to do that. They just need money to pay for life expenses which is understandable.
Your advice is not helping Armus at all. More roommates? Cheaper place? What next? Walk 100 miles in the desert like you did?
LOL, what next? This poor guy is part of the entitled generation? "Attitudes like yours"? I didn't see an attitude. He threw quality suggestions.
"If you can't survive". Yes, continue promoting sink or swim here. Can you swim? How about I add some sharks to the water to raise the stakes? How will you perform? I'm raising this question as a thought, not to elicit an answer.
Handouts? Hmmm, corporations net pretty generous handouts to pay each other big bonuses. You're not playing your cards right. I'm sure there's a subsidy you haven't tried to receive.
Live within your means? Tell that to the Federal Gov't who operates this country's economy on a continuous debt cycle. That's really how it works. Its normal. It shouldn't be, but it is.
Consider the millions on the entire planet? Its this guy's fault that those millions haven't discovered birth control? LOL Mmm, okay. I think this guy should play his variables to his favor. He already made good points that would help the retailer. Then, you figure your Mr. Crabbypants conventional "get off my lawn", "I walked 50 miles in the snow with no shoes", "that's the way its always been done", "I was beaten with a ten foot pole as a child to build by character" kind of life means that this guy ought to accept it. Ummm, nahhhhhh! Game changers come along and rewrite your notion of reality.The examples??? Where do I start? Apple vs. IBM. Digital music. Streaming media. Social media. Google. Whole Foods pays pretty good. There are conscientious companies out there. You're being backwards.
What you say? Its not how the real world works. You're tossing comparative crap that's irrelevant to this person's situation. Not very creative of you. In the USA, its not really a meritocracy. Not that many people selflessly think of the suffering of others while accepting a crappy job. The world really works like the food chain. Biggest lion eats first. I can assure you that there's physically lazy people netting insanely lucrative deals without flitting an ounce of serious labor. Your silly idea is to accept convention because by golly, you're luckier than someone worse off than you. Not my cup of tea. Its not realistic. Individual situations throw in an assortment of X,Y,Z variables.
It is true that in the real world, your idea is true with engineers. H1B Visas ring a bell? The USA is importing its cheaper labor from places like India instead of paying Americans a good salary. I suppose you support this race to the bottom? The cheapest? That practice creates Rust Belts in the USA. You would never see Rolex in Switzerland outsource manufacturing to China. Patagonia makes their goods here. New Balance makes their goods here.
Competition is good. Ruthlessness is beneficial(against your competitor). Excellence is better. Loss of moral fortitude? Brings corporations future bad luck,unless they have the good fortune of scoring new markets. Being cheap isn't always a good long term business strategy. Hello, recession? Consumers stopped spending because they're broke. What should retailers do? Get even cheaper? LOL, no. You want a thriving middle class because they spend. Soooo, it makes sense to treat employees well. One example is the Container Store. The CEO Kip Tindell's business philosophy is conscious capitalism. Unlike the tradition of paying the cheapest, he pays his floor staff far more than average (its up near $40k-50k). Lets see, this motivates employee loyalty far better than being a cheapskate. Those well paid employees will be driven to see the company thrive. Employees are the face of a retailer's brand. It is a team effort. Teamwork is why the Japanese, aka Toyota, kicked American rear in the auto-manufacturing sector. Teamwork is something they excel at doing, its intrinsic to their culture (need a single book - read The Toyota Way - there's many - this has been studied extensively). Of course, to counter that, it could be said that Toyota stole all their ideas from Americans :-P. Hey, I like to see both sides here. Americans are innovators. Innovation is America's core competency. There's no reason that every business must copy WalMart or other Scrooge practices. Creating a broke America hurts business. Take a look. The earnings stagnation in the USA is making a dent on multiple industries, especially retail because consumers have less to spend.
There's nothing wrong with him "bitching". He had good points that benefit both parties involved. Let's see, Toyota does this. Its called Kaizen. Its a business management philosophy that seeks continuous improvement. The aim is to have everyone in an organization make suggestions. They don't deny anyone a voice. The whole idea is that everyone on board is in the same boat working together. If the team benefits, each individual reaps rewards.
Your idea to tell this guy to accept his little poo foo wage because somebody else will take less is so old fart conventional stupid. I know that even those at traditionally minimum wage jobs can net a higher hourly pay by NEGOTIATING. Some people see a problem and see themselves as the solution. They go and pitch a creative job position to a company, and get it. This guy could do that. But, I guess this never entered your head. He made good points that benefit himself, the retailer, and ultimately controls price + improves the quality of the shopping experience for the consumer. Its good for peace + prosperity.
So you are saying that this guy can accept a job for X dollars an hour, then has a perfect right to bitch and moan like a crybaby because he doesn't like the work and can't live within his means?
Bullshit!
Modern world or a thousand years ago, bullshit!
Where did Armus "bitch and moan like a crybaby"?
Where did Armus suggest wanting to bail out to the Bahamas on a handout?
Get your eyes checked? Or your comprehension evaluated?
Is it normal for Americans to leave shopping carts all over the place?
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Learned something from that I didn't know. I agree, its inhumane to make you do stupid work when all it takes is courteous people to put the cart back. Its so inefficient to have the carts scattered about. Mostly, I don't want my car to get a mark on it. I park far away for that reason. Sloppiness is disrespectful. Its clutter crappy. Such sloppiness reflects to the poor attitudes of the public in that area. This doesn't happen everywhere. These days, given that sort of job, no you shouldn't have to be in the rain or hot sun. Yes, your employer could easily afford to pay you more. Check out their revenue stream. Its dumb not to pay more. More $ in your pocket = more spending = economic growth that results in that retailer selling more product.
I guess these discourteous people will have to be trained to put the carts back? Some kind of incentive strategy has to be devised. Aldi changes for use of the cart. You get your cart fee back when you put it back. If someone truly can't walk the cart back? Ask for service.
Considering the millions on this planet who don't have nor does it seem that they will ever get a job, to say that "no one should be expected to work in the rain or hot sun for extended periods of time whilst earning minimum wage" is just ridiculous. If somebody doesn't want a job,, or feels that it's just too much of an imposition, I suggest they quit that job and let someone who will appreciate the opportunity to work without complaint to have the job.
Since when do those with no education or job skills get to bitch about a little rain or heat when they have ANY job?
I hate it when someone accepts a job and then bitches about the work involved in doing that job. More effort and less bitching!
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Apparently you've never worked retail for minimum wage. Everybody is happy to get the job until they do it. It's hard work for $9.00 an hour; $6 after taxes.
What makes you think that everyone in a grocery store has no education? Half the people there are either working for a degree or they already have one. Myself included.
I don't know what America you remember. Here, in 2015, in Los Angeles, earning minimum wage means you qualify for food stamps. So, no, working in the hot sun or in rain is not worth still needing government aid.
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Maybe he worked in the mine shafts of Bolivia when the Spanish conquistadors colonized South America? So, stop complaining, you're lazy. He's like okay with all that because you're better off. By golly, don't whip out an iPhone, he'll assume you're rich and lazy. I doubt it. I've seen the data. You're not kidding about the earnings stagnation across the USA.
There is an exception. There's a huge oil fracking boom going on in North Dakota. That place is in the midst of an economic growth surge.
Living costs in CA = expensive for anyone. I've seen the real estate prices.
You know, attitudes like yours about your work really piss me off. You knew what the job was before you took it or else you are an idiot for not finding out. Therefore, you accepted the position, thereby agreeing to do the work.
If you can't survive on what you are being paid, once again a given fact BEFORE you accepted the job, then perhaps you should learn to live within your means, rather than spending more than you know you will make.
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I don't see how me pissing you off is relevant to the discussion . . . I Kind of feel like taking a bow.
Anyway, the job description did not include: tolerating condescending customers, constantly being blamed for things that aren't your fault, being berated by horrible customer for doing your job properly, helping capable but lazy customers who only ask for help because they know it bothers you, acknowledging that all your werk is exists because people are lazy, attaining an overall, lingering dissatisfaction with the status quo of human interpersonal communication. Is that worth $6 (net) an hour? I think not.
Six dollars an hour at 30 hours a week gets you $180. That's $720 in four weeks. A typical studio apartment here in Los Angeles is about $550 a month. A single is about $800. My two bed room is $1200 but I only pay half. I only have about $20 a week of disposable income. I'm sorry but dealing with all the shit noted above is not worth having $20 more than mere survival.
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What, you've never, ever been in a retail establishment before? You've never in your life seen how people treat the employees? Nope, I don't buy it; you are just making up bullshit lies now. If you didn't have the intelligence to make sure you understood exactly what you would have to do and put up with when you took the job, then that is YOUR error and no one elses.
If you couldn't live on the wages, well, whose fault is that? Perhaps you should have found a cheaper place to live or more roommates.
But, you know what? "Is that worth $6 (net) an hour? I think not." THEN FUCKING QUIT and go find another job. Just stop bitching and moaning like a child!
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Old man is a tad bit jealous of your youth, Armus. He's crabbity. I hope your ignoring his idiocy.
Hey, work ethic is great. But, Gypsy, you're off the deep end. You haven't brought forth any quality evidence for anything you said.
Armor just delivered you some numbers. You want Armus to quit? Genius, I think you've not been in the formal economy for some time, I take it. If Armus quits, he's technically unemployed, that would not be in his favor in this economic climate. Quitting would create a gap in employment which is a red flag you don't want on the resume. One must have a job these days to get one. That's how human resources works with the applications process unless Armus bypasses all of this. Lots of people don't know how to do that. They just need money to pay for life expenses which is understandable.
Your advice is not helping Armus at all. More roommates? Cheaper place? What next? Walk 100 miles in the desert like you did?
LOL, what next? This poor guy is part of the entitled generation? "Attitudes like yours"? I didn't see an attitude. He threw quality suggestions.
"If you can't survive". Yes, continue promoting sink or swim here. Can you swim? How about I add some sharks to the water to raise the stakes? How will you perform? I'm raising this question as a thought, not to elicit an answer.
Handouts? Hmmm, corporations net pretty generous handouts to pay each other big bonuses. You're not playing your cards right. I'm sure there's a subsidy you haven't tried to receive.
Live within your means? Tell that to the Federal Gov't who operates this country's economy on a continuous debt cycle. That's really how it works. Its normal. It shouldn't be, but it is.
Consider the millions on the entire planet? Its this guy's fault that those millions haven't discovered birth control? LOL Mmm, okay. I think this guy should play his variables to his favor. He already made good points that would help the retailer. Then, you figure your Mr. Crabbypants conventional "get off my lawn", "I walked 50 miles in the snow with no shoes", "that's the way its always been done", "I was beaten with a ten foot pole as a child to build by character" kind of life means that this guy ought to accept it. Ummm, nahhhhhh! Game changers come along and rewrite your notion of reality.The examples??? Where do I start? Apple vs. IBM. Digital music. Streaming media. Social media. Google. Whole Foods pays pretty good. There are conscientious companies out there. You're being backwards.
What you say? Its not how the real world works. You're tossing comparative crap that's irrelevant to this person's situation. Not very creative of you. In the USA, its not really a meritocracy. Not that many people selflessly think of the suffering of others while accepting a crappy job. The world really works like the food chain. Biggest lion eats first. I can assure you that there's physically lazy people netting insanely lucrative deals without flitting an ounce of serious labor. Your silly idea is to accept convention because by golly, you're luckier than someone worse off than you. Not my cup of tea. Its not realistic. Individual situations throw in an assortment of X,Y,Z variables.
It is true that in the real world, your idea is true with engineers. H1B Visas ring a bell? The USA is importing its cheaper labor from places like India instead of paying Americans a good salary. I suppose you support this race to the bottom? The cheapest? That practice creates Rust Belts in the USA. You would never see Rolex in Switzerland outsource manufacturing to China. Patagonia makes their goods here. New Balance makes their goods here.
Competition is good. Ruthlessness is beneficial(against your competitor). Excellence is better. Loss of moral fortitude? Brings corporations future bad luck,unless they have the good fortune of scoring new markets. Being cheap isn't always a good long term business strategy. Hello, recession? Consumers stopped spending because they're broke. What should retailers do? Get even cheaper? LOL, no. You want a thriving middle class because they spend. Soooo, it makes sense to treat employees well. One example is the Container Store. The CEO Kip Tindell's business philosophy is conscious capitalism. Unlike the tradition of paying the cheapest, he pays his floor staff far more than average (its up near $40k-50k). Lets see, this motivates employee loyalty far better than being a cheapskate. Those well paid employees will be driven to see the company thrive. Employees are the face of a retailer's brand. It is a team effort. Teamwork is why the Japanese, aka Toyota, kicked American rear in the auto-manufacturing sector. Teamwork is something they excel at doing, its intrinsic to their culture (need a single book - read The Toyota Way - there's many - this has been studied extensively). Of course, to counter that, it could be said that Toyota stole all their ideas from Americans :-P. Hey, I like to see both sides here. Americans are innovators. Innovation is America's core competency. There's no reason that every business must copy WalMart or other Scrooge practices. Creating a broke America hurts business. Take a look. The earnings stagnation in the USA is making a dent on multiple industries, especially retail because consumers have less to spend.
There's nothing wrong with him "bitching". He had good points that benefit both parties involved. Let's see, Toyota does this. Its called Kaizen. Its a business management philosophy that seeks continuous improvement. The aim is to have everyone in an organization make suggestions. They don't deny anyone a voice. The whole idea is that everyone on board is in the same boat working together. If the team benefits, each individual reaps rewards.
Your idea to tell this guy to accept his little poo foo wage because somebody else will take less is so old fart conventional stupid. I know that even those at traditionally minimum wage jobs can net a higher hourly pay by NEGOTIATING. Some people see a problem and see themselves as the solution. They go and pitch a creative job position to a company, and get it. This guy could do that. But, I guess this never entered your head. He made good points that benefit himself, the retailer, and ultimately controls price + improves the quality of the shopping experience for the consumer. Its good for peace + prosperity.
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So you are saying that this guy can accept a job for X dollars an hour, then has a perfect right to bitch and moan like a crybaby because he doesn't like the work and can't live within his means?
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Where did Armus "bitch and moan like a crybaby"?
Where did Armus suggest wanting to bail out to the Bahamas on a handout?
Get your eyes checked? Or your comprehension evaluated?