I dont really know how this whole change came about but I personally think idiotic reality TV shows have some part to play in it. Younger and younger woman are watching insipid shows like Keeping up with the Kardashians and Jersey Shore which show absolutely no redeeming nurturing or traditional qualities that women took on 50-60 yrs ago. The woman on these shows are aggressive, dominating, and controlling. More intent on getting attention, or a perfect tan then what roles women naturally excel at. That role not serving a man, but nurturing and caring for a family.
I think you seem to understand this very well, and sadly you are in a fading minority of women out there. I think you dont fit the mold at all of what I was talking about in my original post, when I said "you" I really meant it in general terms, not specifically you in terms of talking about understanding equality. I think you would make a great wife for someone one day and that man would be a very lucky individual.
Excellent thoughts, my friend, excellent thoughts indeed. I too love a good discussion. What you said about the whole racial thing, I can totally agree with too, without being offended. (Like I've said before, I really identify more with whites than asians) It is sad that in a desperate effort to squelch racism, the US. has overcompensated. We still judge people by their skin color, not what they look like inside. Ethnic minorities are elevated and babied, because we fear being racist. And the sad thing is, the blacks are no longer a tiny minority, yet we still treat them as such. What we are doing is really unfair to non-white people as well. It's like we are cutting them some slack, because we think they are incompetent. It's like Coby Bryant handing a geeky teenager the ball and saying "here, you serve, because you don't have a chance anyway." If we treat all men as equals, it means we acknowledge the fact that we all should compete together, have equal opportunity, and see who wins. And in that case, regardless of the race of the winner, it is fair. Good jobs need to be had by good, qualified people. I could go on and on.
Back to the feminism thing, you pleasantly surprised me, as I was afraid at first you were just one of those feminist men who says "I would never hold my wife back." Then turns eagerly for the smile of approval his gf offers him in return. Guys who cater to their woman's every demand really do make me sick. I have friends and relatives who are always whining "I can't do that, my wife would kill me." And it is too sad. If the husband can't be the leader, at very least let the couple be equal!!! In stead of turning the hubby into the bitch. But you know, that's another point. Maybe a couple can't ever really be equal. Someone needs to be humbler, gentler, more submissive, and more caring, and God forbid that that should be the husband. Heck, if a guy gives his wife a little swat, he goes to jail, and yet I see women slapping and punching their husband quite often. What has gone wrong with the world?
Women are certainly influenced by the TV and media. It looks so appealing, the pretty, smart lady that has all the men wrapped around her finger. but we forget that in reality, she would not be called a successful, beautiful, genius, but a manipulative bitch. Real life is just so much different. And rightly so.
We ladies are definitely more caring for a reason, and I myself feel there is no greater career than being able to raise my own children, and shower them with love and good virtues.
I sincerely hope that you, sir, find yourself a girlfriend/wife who is not so dominant, and live happily ever after. In reference to your final paragraph, thank you so much. I wish I were not in the fading minority, but I do hope to make some man lucky some day...and I will be very lucky if he will let me.
Best Wishes.
I enjoy the back and forth, its especially encouraging to know that there are perhaps some females left that do not subscribe to the idea that a man isnt complete until he is dominated by a woman. Its reached an almost epidemic level in the US regarding the fear of being racist or labeled as such. In our scramble to make up for past issues such as slavery society feels anyone fitting a minority status automatically must be given a job, food, shelter, and any other requirements fitting the "pursuit of happiness" without doing anything in regards to earning those rewards. The unjustified fear is almost palpable within the caucasian community, I speak from my own experience being a white male. I agree in terms of it being unfair to non-whites, yet they have no reason to complain, after all they are getting preferential treatment. All they have to do is shame society with the guilt that their great great great great grandmother was a slave (someone they never knew mind you) and society immediately coddles them.
The idea of totally equality is really a fabrication, both in marriage and in society. In a perfect world it would be the norm, our world is far from that so its an unrealistic objective. I find it amazing to watch television sitcoms (though I do less and less these days) and many of the story lines are written around how the man invariably does something wrong, incurs the wrath of the wife and then has some grand undertaking to do to make up for it. You know what I am referring to the catch all "Boy, you are in trouble now". Many times only for the ridiculous infraction of not doing what she told him to do. Its encourgaged even in commercials, the man finds himself wanting to pursue something the wife doesnt approve of and he finds himself under the scrutiny of his wife. Why? For not doing what she wanted him to do it? Is she required to do everything he wants her to do? No, so why is it any different for the man? Yet if the roles were reversed many in society would sit back and say what a chauvinist pig the man is for bossing his wife around like that. Yet if the wife does it she isnt labelled as a bitch, its called "cute" and "aww, they are in love". If thats love my friend then I can do without, thank you very much. I have a female boss at work telling me what to do, I dont need one at home doing the same thing.
You are in a quickly fading minority regrettably, but that just makes you all the more desirable. Make sure to choose wisely, though I am sure you will.
I enjoy this conversation as well, and find you to be a very wise and thoughtful man. The woman who you get with will be very lucky.
Finally, someone else that shares my disgust for the "female domination" flaunted by the media. It certainly is sad that if I guy scold his wife, tells her what she can and cannot do, "That is outrageously abusive and controlling!" But if a woman does the same thing we just hear the typical, "haha, well, you know, that's women." If is so stupid and reversed. Your examples are perfect. So typical, and yet so true.
I have a cousins and uncles who fear and revere their wives more than anything else. "I had a miserable day yesterday, my wife was mad about..." I hear it from them so often. And so, I guess I can't even blame the nasty bitching women anymore. It merely encourages them that so many men are pussies and sit back and take such treatment.
I am trying to choose wisely when it comes to a mate. Mostly I just want someone who will know how to run the household kindly, lovingly, and firmly, as a man, not a woman or chid. I also hope you find a woman who is good to you and makes you very happy. :)
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I dont really know how this whole change came about but I personally think idiotic reality TV shows have some part to play in it. Younger and younger woman are watching insipid shows like Keeping up with the Kardashians and Jersey Shore which show absolutely no redeeming nurturing or traditional qualities that women took on 50-60 yrs ago. The woman on these shows are aggressive, dominating, and controlling. More intent on getting attention, or a perfect tan then what roles women naturally excel at. That role not serving a man, but nurturing and caring for a family.
I think you seem to understand this very well, and sadly you are in a fading minority of women out there. I think you dont fit the mold at all of what I was talking about in my original post, when I said "you" I really meant it in general terms, not specifically you in terms of talking about understanding equality. I think you would make a great wife for someone one day and that man would be a very lucky individual.
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Excellent thoughts, my friend, excellent thoughts indeed. I too love a good discussion. What you said about the whole racial thing, I can totally agree with too, without being offended. (Like I've said before, I really identify more with whites than asians) It is sad that in a desperate effort to squelch racism, the US. has overcompensated. We still judge people by their skin color, not what they look like inside. Ethnic minorities are elevated and babied, because we fear being racist. And the sad thing is, the blacks are no longer a tiny minority, yet we still treat them as such. What we are doing is really unfair to non-white people as well. It's like we are cutting them some slack, because we think they are incompetent. It's like Coby Bryant handing a geeky teenager the ball and saying "here, you serve, because you don't have a chance anyway." If we treat all men as equals, it means we acknowledge the fact that we all should compete together, have equal opportunity, and see who wins. And in that case, regardless of the race of the winner, it is fair. Good jobs need to be had by good, qualified people. I could go on and on.
Back to the feminism thing, you pleasantly surprised me, as I was afraid at first you were just one of those feminist men who says "I would never hold my wife back." Then turns eagerly for the smile of approval his gf offers him in return. Guys who cater to their woman's every demand really do make me sick. I have friends and relatives who are always whining "I can't do that, my wife would kill me." And it is too sad. If the husband can't be the leader, at very least let the couple be equal!!! In stead of turning the hubby into the bitch. But you know, that's another point. Maybe a couple can't ever really be equal. Someone needs to be humbler, gentler, more submissive, and more caring, and God forbid that that should be the husband. Heck, if a guy gives his wife a little swat, he goes to jail, and yet I see women slapping and punching their husband quite often. What has gone wrong with the world?
Women are certainly influenced by the TV and media. It looks so appealing, the pretty, smart lady that has all the men wrapped around her finger. but we forget that in reality, she would not be called a successful, beautiful, genius, but a manipulative bitch. Real life is just so much different. And rightly so.
We ladies are definitely more caring for a reason, and I myself feel there is no greater career than being able to raise my own children, and shower them with love and good virtues.
I sincerely hope that you, sir, find yourself a girlfriend/wife who is not so dominant, and live happily ever after. In reference to your final paragraph, thank you so much. I wish I were not in the fading minority, but I do hope to make some man lucky some day...and I will be very lucky if he will let me.
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I enjoy the back and forth, its especially encouraging to know that there are perhaps some females left that do not subscribe to the idea that a man isnt complete until he is dominated by a woman. Its reached an almost epidemic level in the US regarding the fear of being racist or labeled as such. In our scramble to make up for past issues such as slavery society feels anyone fitting a minority status automatically must be given a job, food, shelter, and any other requirements fitting the "pursuit of happiness" without doing anything in regards to earning those rewards. The unjustified fear is almost palpable within the caucasian community, I speak from my own experience being a white male. I agree in terms of it being unfair to non-whites, yet they have no reason to complain, after all they are getting preferential treatment. All they have to do is shame society with the guilt that their great great great great grandmother was a slave (someone they never knew mind you) and society immediately coddles them.
The idea of totally equality is really a fabrication, both in marriage and in society. In a perfect world it would be the norm, our world is far from that so its an unrealistic objective. I find it amazing to watch television sitcoms (though I do less and less these days) and many of the story lines are written around how the man invariably does something wrong, incurs the wrath of the wife and then has some grand undertaking to do to make up for it. You know what I am referring to the catch all "Boy, you are in trouble now". Many times only for the ridiculous infraction of not doing what she told him to do. Its encourgaged even in commercials, the man finds himself wanting to pursue something the wife doesnt approve of and he finds himself under the scrutiny of his wife. Why? For not doing what she wanted him to do it? Is she required to do everything he wants her to do? No, so why is it any different for the man? Yet if the roles were reversed many in society would sit back and say what a chauvinist pig the man is for bossing his wife around like that. Yet if the wife does it she isnt labelled as a bitch, its called "cute" and "aww, they are in love". If thats love my friend then I can do without, thank you very much. I have a female boss at work telling me what to do, I dont need one at home doing the same thing.
You are in a quickly fading minority regrettably, but that just makes you all the more desirable. Make sure to choose wisely, though I am sure you will.
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I enjoy this conversation as well, and find you to be a very wise and thoughtful man. The woman who you get with will be very lucky.
Finally, someone else that shares my disgust for the "female domination" flaunted by the media. It certainly is sad that if I guy scold his wife, tells her what she can and cannot do, "That is outrageously abusive and controlling!" But if a woman does the same thing we just hear the typical, "haha, well, you know, that's women." If is so stupid and reversed. Your examples are perfect. So typical, and yet so true.
I have a cousins and uncles who fear and revere their wives more than anything else. "I had a miserable day yesterday, my wife was mad about..." I hear it from them so often. And so, I guess I can't even blame the nasty bitching women anymore. It merely encourages them that so many men are pussies and sit back and take such treatment.
I am trying to choose wisely when it comes to a mate. Mostly I just want someone who will know how to run the household kindly, lovingly, and firmly, as a man, not a woman or chid. I also hope you find a woman who is good to you and makes you very happy. :)