"Respect in the sense that you don't go out of your way to insult their religion in their face, or go to their churches just to criticize."
Why would it be wrong for someone to go out of their way to criticizse something that deserves criticism?
"There are plenty of respectful Christians out there in the world."
Yes, there are. Unfortunately though, nice as they may be, they are also pretty hypocritical, because they aren't really following their own book. At least the fundies are true to their vile religion.
Please, your opinions are not shared by some people. Accept that. It is very hard to change someone else's mind. I doubt that you will change anyone's thoughts on religion. You certainly haven't changed mine, mostly because of your ignorance.
And that doesn't make your opinions correct either. There is no proof that there is not god. I'll try to explain this simply. The proof that god exists is the fact that we can conceive of an all powerful, perfect being. If we were in the dark constantly and had never experienced light, then you wouldn't be able to conceive of light. Since we can conceive of an all powerful, perfect being, we've obviously had contact with a one in the past.
"And that doesn't make your opinions correct either."
True. Obviously I personally still believe they are, though.
"There is no proof that there is not god."
That's ridiculous. There's no proof there are no unicorns, goblins or fairies either. Do you believe in those too? You should believe something when it's actually proven. The burden of proof is on you to prove your God, NOT on me to disprove your God.
"The proof that god exists is the fact that we can conceive of an all powerful, perfect being. If we were in the dark constantly and had never experienced light, then you wouldn't be able to conceive of light. Since we can conceive of an all powerful, perfect being, we've obviously had contact with a one in the past."
Thank you for this explanation. I've never before in my life came across it. However, I still reject it, because I can conceive of all sorts of crazy stuff. I don't think that automatically means I've then had contact with it in the past. That's absurd.
BTW, suppose you can prove the existence of A God, why would it then be your particular God, Jehovah?
You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say that the god that exists is my god. I have no proof that it is. And, no you cannot come up with any idea that does not have a basis in reality. I dare you to try.
"The burden of proof is on you to prove your God, NOT on me to disprove your God."
Huh, that's not how American law works. Innocent until proven guilty? Also, almost all scientists have theories that haven't been proven but have evidence saying that they might be true. You believe in things that are not proven, everyone does. Every scientist has faith. And if we're really going to go there, then I might as well state that you have faith that this whole world actually exists and is not a figment of your imagination. You have not proven that this world is real, because of the fact that it might not be real. Philosophy says you cannot base everything on your senses, if so, then how do you know this world exists?
"You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say that the god that exists is my god."
Wow, I honestly didn't see that one coming. Virtually all Christians I've spoken to are adamant their God exists. I was expecting you to be similar. I'm glad you're not, but I very much doubt if you're an actual, genuine Christian then.
"And, no you cannot come up with any idea that does not have a basis in reality. I dare you to try."
I agree, but the fact that you can conceive of something, doesn't automatically mean it exists. For example, I can conceive of a Siamese quadruplet. Does that also mean it exists? No, only in THEORY does it exist, let alone I've ever been in contact with one in the past. The same could very well be the case for God.
"Huh, that's not how American law works."
Well, I'm not American (I happen to be Dutch), but I'm pretty sure BOTH our countries know the concept of the burden of proof. For example, if I say I'm the reincarnation of Napoleon, it's not your job to disprove this claim, but mine to prove it. Innocent until proven guilty indeed.
"You believe in things that are not proven, everyone does."
You're right, but only proof actually makes it completely watertight. I will admit that this is an issue I'm struggling very much with BTW.
"Every scientist has faith."
Not in the same things they don't.
"Philosophy says you cannot base everything on your senses, if so, then how do you know this world exists?"
There is more than just one philosophy. And even though our senses may be limited, they're nonetheless all we got.
If you don't seek to change other's minds or prove people wrong (which leads to them changing their minds) then you are simply full of hatred. I will pray for you.
I indeed don't seek to change other's minds or prove people wrong. However, I also am NOT full of hatred. I simply wanted to know how you Christians can have the balls to whine about respect, whilst believing the persons you demand said respect from are hell-bound heathens. That sounds a little hypocritical.
"I will pray for you."
Well, isn't there a divine plan? Isn't everything already fixed by God? If so, what good would praying do?
I want to know how you can have the balls to complain about Christians, when your just as bad. You expect us to respect you, when you openly diss our beliefs and say that all of us are the same. You say that by saying "...How you Christians can..." Yeah, first of all, we're not all the same. That's like saying all black people like KFC.
"I want to know how you can have the balls to complain about Christians, when your just as bad."
I've already explained that, but here we go again:
I'm NOT just as bad. Sure, Christians believe I'm wrong, and I believe Christians are wrong. In THAT particular respect we ARE indeed similar. However, there's more to it than that. Christians believe non-Christians (like me) will be tortured forever in Hell, whilst I do NOT believe that the other way around. Even IF I was just as bad (which I'm not), would that make the Christian belief that all non-Christians will suffer eternally less disgusting? Don't think so.
And I know not all Christians are the same. Some don't believe all that nasty stuff about non-Christians. However, although these Christians are a lot nicer, they are also hypocritical, since the view that non-Christians will suffer eternally really IS dominant in the Bible.
You haven't addressed this BTW:
"I will pray for you."
Well, isn't there a divine plan? Isn't everything already fixed by God? If so, what good would praying do?
Is it normal Christians whine about respect?
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"Respect in the sense that you don't go out of your way to insult their religion in their face, or go to their churches just to criticize."
Why would it be wrong for someone to go out of their way to criticizse something that deserves criticism?
"There are plenty of respectful Christians out there in the world."
Yes, there are. Unfortunately though, nice as they may be, they are also pretty hypocritical, because they aren't really following their own book. At least the fundies are true to their vile religion.
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That's right. Perhaps you shouldn't be so foolish as to label yourself Christian.
Please, your opinions are not shared by some people. Accept that. It is very hard to change someone else's mind. I doubt that you will change anyone's thoughts on religion. You certainly haven't changed mine, mostly because of your ignorance.
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"Please, your opinions are not shared by some people."
True. Doesn't make them incorrect though.
"Accept that."
I do.
"It is very hard to change someone else's mind."
Yes, it is.
"I doubt that you will change anyone's thoughts on religion."
Me too.
"You certainly haven't changed mine, mostly because of your ignorance."
No, mostly because of the fact you've been brainwashed.
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And that doesn't make your opinions correct either. There is no proof that there is not god. I'll try to explain this simply. The proof that god exists is the fact that we can conceive of an all powerful, perfect being. If we were in the dark constantly and had never experienced light, then you wouldn't be able to conceive of light. Since we can conceive of an all powerful, perfect being, we've obviously had contact with a one in the past.
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"And that doesn't make your opinions correct either."
True. Obviously I personally still believe they are, though.
"There is no proof that there is not god."
That's ridiculous. There's no proof there are no unicorns, goblins or fairies either. Do you believe in those too? You should believe something when it's actually proven. The burden of proof is on you to prove your God, NOT on me to disprove your God.
"The proof that god exists is the fact that we can conceive of an all powerful, perfect being. If we were in the dark constantly and had never experienced light, then you wouldn't be able to conceive of light. Since we can conceive of an all powerful, perfect being, we've obviously had contact with a one in the past."
Thank you for this explanation. I've never before in my life came across it. However, I still reject it, because I can conceive of all sorts of crazy stuff. I don't think that automatically means I've then had contact with it in the past. That's absurd.
BTW, suppose you can prove the existence of A God, why would it then be your particular God, Jehovah?
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You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say that the god that exists is my god. I have no proof that it is. And, no you cannot come up with any idea that does not have a basis in reality. I dare you to try.
"The burden of proof is on you to prove your God, NOT on me to disprove your God."
Huh, that's not how American law works. Innocent until proven guilty? Also, almost all scientists have theories that haven't been proven but have evidence saying that they might be true. You believe in things that are not proven, everyone does. Every scientist has faith. And if we're really going to go there, then I might as well state that you have faith that this whole world actually exists and is not a figment of your imagination. You have not proven that this world is real, because of the fact that it might not be real. Philosophy says you cannot base everything on your senses, if so, then how do you know this world exists?
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"You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say that the god that exists is my god."
Wow, I honestly didn't see that one coming. Virtually all Christians I've spoken to are adamant their God exists. I was expecting you to be similar. I'm glad you're not, but I very much doubt if you're an actual, genuine Christian then.
"And, no you cannot come up with any idea that does not have a basis in reality. I dare you to try."
I agree, but the fact that you can conceive of something, doesn't automatically mean it exists. For example, I can conceive of a Siamese quadruplet. Does that also mean it exists? No, only in THEORY does it exist, let alone I've ever been in contact with one in the past. The same could very well be the case for God.
"Huh, that's not how American law works."
Well, I'm not American (I happen to be Dutch), but I'm pretty sure BOTH our countries know the concept of the burden of proof. For example, if I say I'm the reincarnation of Napoleon, it's not your job to disprove this claim, but mine to prove it. Innocent until proven guilty indeed.
"You believe in things that are not proven, everyone does."
You're right, but only proof actually makes it completely watertight. I will admit that this is an issue I'm struggling very much with BTW.
"Every scientist has faith."
Not in the same things they don't.
"Philosophy says you cannot base everything on your senses, if so, then how do you know this world exists?"
There is more than just one philosophy. And even though our senses may be limited, they're nonetheless all we got.
If you don't seek to change other's minds or prove people wrong (which leads to them changing their minds) then you are simply full of hatred. I will pray for you.
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I indeed don't seek to change other's minds or prove people wrong. However, I also am NOT full of hatred. I simply wanted to know how you Christians can have the balls to whine about respect, whilst believing the persons you demand said respect from are hell-bound heathens. That sounds a little hypocritical.
"I will pray for you."
Well, isn't there a divine plan? Isn't everything already fixed by God? If so, what good would praying do?
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I want to know how you can have the balls to complain about Christians, when your just as bad. You expect us to respect you, when you openly diss our beliefs and say that all of us are the same. You say that by saying "...How you Christians can..." Yeah, first of all, we're not all the same. That's like saying all black people like KFC.
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"I want to know how you can have the balls to complain about Christians, when your just as bad."
I've already explained that, but here we go again:
I'm NOT just as bad. Sure, Christians believe I'm wrong, and I believe Christians are wrong. In THAT particular respect we ARE indeed similar. However, there's more to it than that. Christians believe non-Christians (like me) will be tortured forever in Hell, whilst I do NOT believe that the other way around. Even IF I was just as bad (which I'm not), would that make the Christian belief that all non-Christians will suffer eternally less disgusting? Don't think so.
And I know not all Christians are the same. Some don't believe all that nasty stuff about non-Christians. However, although these Christians are a lot nicer, they are also hypocritical, since the view that non-Christians will suffer eternally really IS dominant in the Bible.
You haven't addressed this BTW:
"I will pray for you."
Well, isn't there a divine plan? Isn't everything already fixed by God? If so, what good would praying do?