Usually it's 100% on the abuser, with some exceptions. Almost all domestic violence isn't logical or justifiable. It's usually insecure people who can't handle an independent self-driven partner who doesn't give them un-divided attention.
I'm careful to say "abuser" and not "the man", because yes there are situations where men are violently abused by female partners. Domestic violence can also happen in gay couples.
Abuse also comes in many forms though. As you said there is psychological abuse, which can come in the form of shouting, degrading, manipulation, insults etc. Then there's sexual violence.
I'd have little to no sympathy if a psychological or sexual abuser drove their partner to hit them. However I do still think it's the bigger and better thing to just leave instead of getting violent.
"Just leave" is a superficial suggestion: that is very often the trigger for escalated violence and in many cases, murder by male partners and ex-partners.
The difference between psychological and physical abuse is that the former does not threaten life or serious injury: in Australia between 1 and 2 women per week are killed by present or former partners and an even greater number suffer lifelong brain damage and other permanent injury. This cannot be compared with "psychological abuse", whatever the fuck that is
Psychological anuse would be the degradation, manipulation, etc, used to threaten and control. It may or may not be coupled with physical abuse and can be every bit as serious as physical abuse. The situations you have just described in your comment feature both types.
Yeah maybe men need to get out of relationships with psychological abuse before the point where they crack, or that failing, learn non-violent ways to combat it. What I've seen before is years of degrading of the mans character, reach a point where the woman is literally standing over him calling him a piece of shit. And the man pushing the woman off him, and her falling. And that being violence. For me violence is too strong a word for that, but that is how its labelled.
Psychological abuse is much harder to prove. You are 100% right in that many men suffer through this type of abuse and just cannot afford a divorce or put up with it until they snap.
When they snap it usually is in a physical way, police become involved and the man ends up looking terrible. Once the cops get called, well here's the evidence she's got a huge bruise.
Who knows how much she provoked it? Who knows what she said? Of course she may have said nothing and the guy just snapped also.
The basic point is physical abuse is VERY easy to prove. Psychological abuse not so much, and even than the onus is on the man to not only prove it, but move past the idea of not "manning up" and dealing with what life throws at you. Essentially looking like a whiner, crying wolf, with the "she hurt my feelings psychologically".
Provocation is NO EXCUSE for physical abuse. You do realise that often the "provocation" is that the kids are crying and she can't stop them; she didn't have his dinner on the table when he wanted it; she doesn't want sex when he does; he suspects her of cheating.
Whatever you mean by "Psychological abuse" does not threaten the other person's life or physical health: the two things cannot be compared
Yes, none of those things would equate to necessary physical violence. What you are wrong on is psychological abuse most certainly does threaten physical health. Any rational person would agree to this. As a recent example from real life look at the Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt divorce fiasco. She's keeping his children from any interactions with their father.
Is it reasonable to assume doing that is psychological abuse and damaging to his overall health? Yes.
As an aside, if the man is working all day (assuming the women isn't of course) why wouldn't the kids be taken care of and dinner be cooked and ready?
Is domestic violence against women solely an issue involving men?
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Usually it's 100% on the abuser, with some exceptions. Almost all domestic violence isn't logical or justifiable. It's usually insecure people who can't handle an independent self-driven partner who doesn't give them un-divided attention.
I'm careful to say "abuser" and not "the man", because yes there are situations where men are violently abused by female partners. Domestic violence can also happen in gay couples.
Abuse also comes in many forms though. As you said there is psychological abuse, which can come in the form of shouting, degrading, manipulation, insults etc. Then there's sexual violence.
I'd have little to no sympathy if a psychological or sexual abuser drove their partner to hit them. However I do still think it's the bigger and better thing to just leave instead of getting violent.
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"Just leave" is a superficial suggestion: that is very often the trigger for escalated violence and in many cases, murder by male partners and ex-partners.
The difference between psychological and physical abuse is that the former does not threaten life or serious injury: in Australia between 1 and 2 women per week are killed by present or former partners and an even greater number suffer lifelong brain damage and other permanent injury. This cannot be compared with "psychological abuse", whatever the fuck that is
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Psychological anuse would be the degradation, manipulation, etc, used to threaten and control. It may or may not be coupled with physical abuse and can be every bit as serious as physical abuse. The situations you have just described in your comment feature both types.
Are you really that stupid?
Yeah maybe men need to get out of relationships with psychological abuse before the point where they crack, or that failing, learn non-violent ways to combat it. What I've seen before is years of degrading of the mans character, reach a point where the woman is literally standing over him calling him a piece of shit. And the man pushing the woman off him, and her falling. And that being violence. For me violence is too strong a word for that, but that is how its labelled.
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Psychological abuse is much harder to prove. You are 100% right in that many men suffer through this type of abuse and just cannot afford a divorce or put up with it until they snap.
When they snap it usually is in a physical way, police become involved and the man ends up looking terrible. Once the cops get called, well here's the evidence she's got a huge bruise.
Who knows how much she provoked it? Who knows what she said? Of course she may have said nothing and the guy just snapped also.
The basic point is physical abuse is VERY easy to prove. Psychological abuse not so much, and even than the onus is on the man to not only prove it, but move past the idea of not "manning up" and dealing with what life throws at you. Essentially looking like a whiner, crying wolf, with the "she hurt my feelings psychologically".
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Provocation is NO EXCUSE for physical abuse. You do realise that often the "provocation" is that the kids are crying and she can't stop them; she didn't have his dinner on the table when he wanted it; she doesn't want sex when he does; he suspects her of cheating.
Whatever you mean by "Psychological abuse" does not threaten the other person's life or physical health: the two things cannot be compared
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Yes, none of those things would equate to necessary physical violence. What you are wrong on is psychological abuse most certainly does threaten physical health. Any rational person would agree to this. As a recent example from real life look at the Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt divorce fiasco. She's keeping his children from any interactions with their father.
Is it reasonable to assume doing that is psychological abuse and damaging to his overall health? Yes.
As an aside, if the man is working all day (assuming the women isn't of course) why wouldn't the kids be taken care of and dinner be cooked and ready?