You do realize by implying that the police don't protect people that you're also implying that there's no criminals in prison, right?
Why are you misrepresenting the situation? If you made the argument that non-peaceful protests are good aslong as that anger is directed at the people responsible for there to be a protest then I might not condone the actions of the protest but I could at the very least understand it but that's not what's happening. These aren't "Riots against the police" these are riots targeting people indiscriminately. You can't use the excuse that "peaceful protests don't work" to target everyone and anyone to line your pockets, the ONLY method you could use that argument on is if those non-peaceful protests were directed at the institution the protests are about exclusively, and in this case they aren't.
These cops aren't fighting exclusively for themselves, they're there because the rioters are making life hell for EVERYBODY.
It's funny that you say "Let's convince the KKK that love is the way forward" because that's pretty much EXACTLY what Daryl Davis did and convinced up to 200 members of the KKK to hang up their robes and see the error of their ways. If ONE man can do that then imagine what THOUSANDS could do. You think the KKK are going to think differently of black people when they burn down communities, commit crimes, and so on? That is what they ALREADY think about black people, all that type of behaviour does is cement their views.
But again, you're absolutely butchering what is actually happen. These aren't riots targeting these institutions, they're riots targeting EVERYONE even people that aren't part of those institutions. You don't get to harm innocent people in the name of "targeting the police" because all you fuckin' do at that point is prove that there NEEDS to be police to stop people like the rioters who go after innocent people. This isn't fuckin' rocket science.
You realize it's impossible to lead an organized riot right? I said I suport SOME of what they're doing. Burning down a police station is totally different from stealing TV's from target. It's a fucking riot. People aren't looting from stores to protest anything, they're showing up to take advantage of the fact that they'll probably get away with it. There's zero profit in torching a police car. It's a completely different thing.
The cops are fighting for their status quo. They ran two NYPD SUVs into a crowd today. Is that protecting anyone? Or a statement that they're in charge and fuck everybody else? That's the kind of thing that's going to escalate the situation, and rightfully so. I wouldn't support carjacking and beating up random people, but I wouldn't feel bad if those cops got ripped out of their cars and beaten. The pigs like the fact that they can act without consequences, plenty of them joined just for that reason. They're scared of accountability. Yeah you can convince a KKK member to leave the group. That doesn't mean that we should try to reform or regulate the KKK for the sake of turning it into a publically beneficial organization. People leaving the force because it's corrupt and violent doesn't turn it into a better group, it makes it worse cause only the assholes stick behind.
That's the point. Adding restrictions for the sake of making policing ACTUALLY about helping people (The supreme court has upheld multiple times that cops aren't actually required to protect people) is like trying to turn a street gang into a law enforcement group. A gang exists based on self-interest to the members of the group and its leaders. The aim of the bloods or crips or the KKK or westboro baptist church, just like the pigs, courts, and legal system in general, is so far from public safety that you might as well try to turn a pickup truck into a sailboat.
Yes, it's impossible to do that but when that "riot" primarily becomes a riot that indiscriminately effects the innocent community over the institution of power you claim to be protesting then you cannot claim that riot is in response to that misuse of power by the institution if the riots are primarily being aimed towards innocent people.
EXACTLY, there is a huge damn difference between targeting the institutions the riots claim to be against and targeting the community so why in the fuck is the community being targeted the most? Because these riots are not primarily about taking down those institutions or trying to reform them, they're about a bunch of jumped up cunts explouiting the situation for their own gain, using the "BLM" flag to morally blackmail anybody that opposes what they're doing like some, "Oh you don't like what I'm doing against black communities? WHY DON'T YOU LIKE BLACK PEOPLE" bullshit.
The cops aren't "fighting for their status quo", do you even realize they are working a job and are ordered into these areas? These officers aren't doing what they want, they're doing what they're told. Yeah, I seen the two NYPD SUVs, and good for them because you failed to actually describe what happened. Two NYPD SUVs were in the process of being surrounded by an angry mob that PUT THEMSELVES in that situation. Oh my God! Officers didn't just let some angry mob swarm them when there's already been reports of attempted murders by the mobs of police officers?! Cry me a river, if I was in that situation I would of done the exact same and they were justified in trying to escape that mob that was surrounding them. Don't want ran over by a dude in a car? Don't try to intimidate the life of the person behind the wheel. Simple.
Yes, you can convince the KKK members to leave the group and when you do that you don't "reform the KKK" you lessen their power by turning the members away from the group. Your response here doesn't even make sense.
Okay so you apparently don't understand that the riots don't make police good people.
You can be against rioting and still admit that pigs are a gang like the bloods or crips, and will do anything to hold on to their lack of accountability. How often does this happen? Where cops kill somebody and evidence is lost or autopsies mysteriously show the person was shot in self defense before a video comes out of the cop unloading his gun into somebody's back who's running away? How often do drunk pigs hit and kill pedestrians with their cars and are allowed to go home sober up and turn themselves in the next day? How often does this not make the news?
If they don't want to be in dangerous situations they shouldn't be cops. The reason they're getting surrounded by angry mobs and people want to kill them is that protests don't work. Everyone protests outside the courthouse and then the pigs investigating the pigs mysteriously lose evidence or the prosecutor seeks charges that aren't going to stick. They're creating the environment by continuing to hide each other's crimes. It's the same argument as any other gang getting mad that the cops are making things hard for them.
Aw, man. Trying to have a conversation with you is like performing brain surgery while having brain surgery performed on you. You make a point and then pivot to a complete non-answer to the point you're pivoting from.
- Didn't say a bad cop automatically becomes good when there's riot. You literally pulled that out of your ass because you're too inept to answer to points made and need to pivot away.
- Yes, there is going to be a particular bond between groups of people expected to fufil the same requirements. Unlike Bloods and Crips cops are required to engage criminals and put their lives on the line for the safety of society, and with that risk they form bonds with others than are in the same situation, this is common for humans in general. Does this absolve them when one of them are "bad" no.
- Autopsies can't show that someone shot in self defense. How fuckin' dense are you?
- "How often does this not make the news" then how the fuck do YOU know about it then? You basically just admitted you're pulling shit out of your ass.
"If they don't want to be in dangerous situations they shouldn't be cops."
- Right, and if rioters don't want to be beat by police they shouldn't be rioting. Or do the rules of action and reaction change when it doesn't suit you?
The cars in the video was becoming surrounded. You see the crowd advance on the police vehicles and then disburse when the move forward. This is evident by the video, they even attempt to jump on the vehicle and strike the vehicles. If you are incapable of admitting that then you need to shut the fuck up with your shit.
It's funny cause I see the same thing in you and the argument is going nowhere. I'm "pivoting" and your entire argument is DURRR I LIKE POLICE
You're a freaking bootlicker and you're going to defend cops no matter what they do. None of this would be happening if the pigs were held accountable for the constant criminal activity they participate in. People are tired of it.
And an autopsy of somebody getting shot in the back 6 times not finding homicide on the part of the pig in question is blatant perjury. The cops are setting their cars up to be destroyed, people are finding pallets of bricks out near protest sites, they're lying because they want to keep living above the law. But go ahead and keep thinking whatever pig friend you've got that's fueling your "cops are good" rhetoric is morally superior to a gangbanger.
People who blindly defend authority never grew out of the stage where they need their mommy to tell them they did a good job to feel good about themselves.
"It's funny cause I see the same thing in you and the argument is going nowhere. I'm "pivoting" and your entire argument is DURRR I LIKE POLICE"
- I love it when you do half the work for me.
If I'm a bootlicker because I want asshats that are destroying lives and killing people stopped then I'll gladly take that label. Trust me when I tell you that the alternative (you) is far less appealing.
I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing. Are you seriously suggesting to me that it's not the rioters intending to throw the bricks that are bringing the bricks but is instead the cops supplying the bricks to the protesters so that it can be used as a deadly weapon against themselves? Think, my dude, think.
Also, let's just pretend we've got a bunch of cops are arming the rioters that want to kill them...In what world does the cops supplying the bricks to the rioters absolve the rioters from then picking them up and using them as deadly weapons?
If I give a gun to a dude to shoot people do you think the shooter is automatically innocent because it's not his gun?
"People who blindly defend authority never grew out of the stage where they need their mommy to tell them they did a good job to feel good about themselves."
Thanks for that nice speech about maturity, "SmokeEverything". Hahaha.
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You do realize by implying that the police don't protect people that you're also implying that there's no criminals in prison, right?
Why are you misrepresenting the situation? If you made the argument that non-peaceful protests are good aslong as that anger is directed at the people responsible for there to be a protest then I might not condone the actions of the protest but I could at the very least understand it but that's not what's happening. These aren't "Riots against the police" these are riots targeting people indiscriminately. You can't use the excuse that "peaceful protests don't work" to target everyone and anyone to line your pockets, the ONLY method you could use that argument on is if those non-peaceful protests were directed at the institution the protests are about exclusively, and in this case they aren't.
These cops aren't fighting exclusively for themselves, they're there because the rioters are making life hell for EVERYBODY.
It's funny that you say "Let's convince the KKK that love is the way forward" because that's pretty much EXACTLY what Daryl Davis did and convinced up to 200 members of the KKK to hang up their robes and see the error of their ways. If ONE man can do that then imagine what THOUSANDS could do. You think the KKK are going to think differently of black people when they burn down communities, commit crimes, and so on? That is what they ALREADY think about black people, all that type of behaviour does is cement their views.
But again, you're absolutely butchering what is actually happen. These aren't riots targeting these institutions, they're riots targeting EVERYONE even people that aren't part of those institutions. You don't get to harm innocent people in the name of "targeting the police" because all you fuckin' do at that point is prove that there NEEDS to be police to stop people like the rioters who go after innocent people. This isn't fuckin' rocket science.
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You realize it's impossible to lead an organized riot right? I said I suport SOME of what they're doing. Burning down a police station is totally different from stealing TV's from target. It's a fucking riot. People aren't looting from stores to protest anything, they're showing up to take advantage of the fact that they'll probably get away with it. There's zero profit in torching a police car. It's a completely different thing.
The cops are fighting for their status quo. They ran two NYPD SUVs into a crowd today. Is that protecting anyone? Or a statement that they're in charge and fuck everybody else? That's the kind of thing that's going to escalate the situation, and rightfully so. I wouldn't support carjacking and beating up random people, but I wouldn't feel bad if those cops got ripped out of their cars and beaten. The pigs like the fact that they can act without consequences, plenty of them joined just for that reason. They're scared of accountability. Yeah you can convince a KKK member to leave the group. That doesn't mean that we should try to reform or regulate the KKK for the sake of turning it into a publically beneficial organization. People leaving the force because it's corrupt and violent doesn't turn it into a better group, it makes it worse cause only the assholes stick behind.
That's the point. Adding restrictions for the sake of making policing ACTUALLY about helping people (The supreme court has upheld multiple times that cops aren't actually required to protect people) is like trying to turn a street gang into a law enforcement group. A gang exists based on self-interest to the members of the group and its leaders. The aim of the bloods or crips or the KKK or westboro baptist church, just like the pigs, courts, and legal system in general, is so far from public safety that you might as well try to turn a pickup truck into a sailboat.
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Yes, it's impossible to do that but when that "riot" primarily becomes a riot that indiscriminately effects the innocent community over the institution of power you claim to be protesting then you cannot claim that riot is in response to that misuse of power by the institution if the riots are primarily being aimed towards innocent people.
EXACTLY, there is a huge damn difference between targeting the institutions the riots claim to be against and targeting the community so why in the fuck is the community being targeted the most? Because these riots are not primarily about taking down those institutions or trying to reform them, they're about a bunch of jumped up cunts explouiting the situation for their own gain, using the "BLM" flag to morally blackmail anybody that opposes what they're doing like some, "Oh you don't like what I'm doing against black communities? WHY DON'T YOU LIKE BLACK PEOPLE" bullshit.
The cops aren't "fighting for their status quo", do you even realize they are working a job and are ordered into these areas? These officers aren't doing what they want, they're doing what they're told. Yeah, I seen the two NYPD SUVs, and good for them because you failed to actually describe what happened. Two NYPD SUVs were in the process of being surrounded by an angry mob that PUT THEMSELVES in that situation. Oh my God! Officers didn't just let some angry mob swarm them when there's already been reports of attempted murders by the mobs of police officers?! Cry me a river, if I was in that situation I would of done the exact same and they were justified in trying to escape that mob that was surrounding them. Don't want ran over by a dude in a car? Don't try to intimidate the life of the person behind the wheel. Simple.
Yes, you can convince the KKK members to leave the group and when you do that you don't "reform the KKK" you lessen their power by turning the members away from the group. Your response here doesn't even make sense.
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Okay so you apparently don't understand that the riots don't make police good people.
You can be against rioting and still admit that pigs are a gang like the bloods or crips, and will do anything to hold on to their lack of accountability. How often does this happen? Where cops kill somebody and evidence is lost or autopsies mysteriously show the person was shot in self defense before a video comes out of the cop unloading his gun into somebody's back who's running away? How often do drunk pigs hit and kill pedestrians with their cars and are allowed to go home sober up and turn themselves in the next day? How often does this not make the news?
If they don't want to be in dangerous situations they shouldn't be cops. The reason they're getting surrounded by angry mobs and people want to kill them is that protests don't work. Everyone protests outside the courthouse and then the pigs investigating the pigs mysteriously lose evidence or the prosecutor seeks charges that aren't going to stick. They're creating the environment by continuing to hide each other's crimes. It's the same argument as any other gang getting mad that the cops are making things hard for them.
Also, the cars in the video WERE NOT SURROUNDED
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Aw, man. Trying to have a conversation with you is like performing brain surgery while having brain surgery performed on you. You make a point and then pivot to a complete non-answer to the point you're pivoting from.
- Didn't say a bad cop automatically becomes good when there's riot. You literally pulled that out of your ass because you're too inept to answer to points made and need to pivot away.
- Yes, there is going to be a particular bond between groups of people expected to fufil the same requirements. Unlike Bloods and Crips cops are required to engage criminals and put their lives on the line for the safety of society, and with that risk they form bonds with others than are in the same situation, this is common for humans in general. Does this absolve them when one of them are "bad" no.
- Autopsies can't show that someone shot in self defense. How fuckin' dense are you?
- "How often does this not make the news" then how the fuck do YOU know about it then? You basically just admitted you're pulling shit out of your ass.
"If they don't want to be in dangerous situations they shouldn't be cops."
- Right, and if rioters don't want to be beat by police they shouldn't be rioting. Or do the rules of action and reaction change when it doesn't suit you?
The cars in the video was becoming surrounded. You see the crowd advance on the police vehicles and then disburse when the move forward. This is evident by the video, they even attempt to jump on the vehicle and strike the vehicles. If you are incapable of admitting that then you need to shut the fuck up with your shit.
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It's funny cause I see the same thing in you and the argument is going nowhere. I'm "pivoting" and your entire argument is DURRR I LIKE POLICE
You're a freaking bootlicker and you're going to defend cops no matter what they do. None of this would be happening if the pigs were held accountable for the constant criminal activity they participate in. People are tired of it.
And an autopsy of somebody getting shot in the back 6 times not finding homicide on the part of the pig in question is blatant perjury. The cops are setting their cars up to be destroyed, people are finding pallets of bricks out near protest sites, they're lying because they want to keep living above the law. But go ahead and keep thinking whatever pig friend you've got that's fueling your "cops are good" rhetoric is morally superior to a gangbanger.
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"It's funny cause I see the same thing in you and the argument is going nowhere. I'm "pivoting" and your entire argument is DURRR I LIKE POLICE"
- I love it when you do half the work for me.
If I'm a bootlicker because I want asshats that are destroying lives and killing people stopped then I'll gladly take that label. Trust me when I tell you that the alternative (you) is far less appealing.
I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing. Are you seriously suggesting to me that it's not the rioters intending to throw the bricks that are bringing the bricks but is instead the cops supplying the bricks to the protesters so that it can be used as a deadly weapon against themselves? Think, my dude, think.
Also, let's just pretend we've got a bunch of cops are arming the rioters that want to kill them...In what world does the cops supplying the bricks to the rioters absolve the rioters from then picking them up and using them as deadly weapons?
If I give a gun to a dude to shoot people do you think the shooter is automatically innocent because it's not his gun?
"People who blindly defend authority never grew out of the stage where they need their mommy to tell them they did a good job to feel good about themselves."
Thanks for that nice speech about maturity, "SmokeEverything". Hahaha.