Illegal immigration - how do you feel about it?

I won't editorialize here. Let's just see the responses.

It's all just BS. I believe in open borders. 20
We need the Dream Act, but just for the students - not their families 5
We need the Dream Act - for the student and their family. 7
The government's neglect of Illegal immigration drives me crazy! 30
Look, we are a compassionate people, so we need another big amnesty. 4
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  • avajilla

    I think it's unfair to the legal immigrants who spend years and thousands of dollars to legally enter the country. However, I'm aware that our economy would collapse if we booted all illegals out.. But then again, they said the same thing about slavery in the 1800s

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    • Mando

      Native Americans have been regretting that for centuries. They saw the Euros coming and said, "Oh shit. There goes the neighbourhood." ;)

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    • FreDraken

      We don't HAVE to boot all the illegals out; like we pick a date and then 13 million people get rounded up and sent back on that date, which ruins the economy. There are ways to get most of them to voluntarily go back home over a period of years.
      If they can't find work and can't buy property and can't collect government services and can't get any health care except for true emergencies, then staying here would not look so good for them.
      What's your reaction to that kind of an idea?

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  • djunebug

    When this country was being built we needed immigrants to help build it. Now most of these people are just here to milk it.

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    • FreDraken

      I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants. Hundreds of millions of people want to come to the US. Why is it that we don't get to PICK the ones we want? Why do we wind up with so many ignorant, unskilled and unhealthy ones who don't speak our language and have no intention of doing so?

      I think the closed military bases should be reopened and turned into work camps. Apprehended illegals would get to live there and work for two years producing food and manufactured items for Americas prisons and public schools.

      This crap of just driving them back to the border is foolish beyond belief. They just sneak across the border again the next day. But that's fine with Obama because that way it provides more federal JOBS. More federal jobs = more Democratic votes - because the Democratic party is all about expanding the federal government.

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  • davesumba

    they increase crime rates, take jobs, steal ssn's/identities, mooch off the governments money and services with most not paying taxes, and all of these cost America(ns) money. please do us rightful american's a favor and stay away.

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    • djunebug

      I like your view davesumba. I know these people do jobs most people won't take, but the down side is they are milking this country. Not helping it. My wife is a Latin and she was well educated, came over here legally and can't believe that the US now looks almost worse than her own country.

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  • dappled

    I don't know what the Dream Act is and, at many times in my life, I have spoken about dropping borders. I know it comes with huge problems (i.e. we will get poorer and other people might get a fair deal, and we only want other people getting a fair deal if it doesn't impact on us, right?)

    I'd still drop the borders. Borders are tools for greedy people to hold onto what they've got.

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    • wigsplitz

      Do you lock your apartment door? Just askin'.

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      • dappled

        That's a loaded question. It implies the country is a possession owned by those who live there and that everyone who doesn't live there is a thief.

        You're a native American, thought, right? And you do still want to get the whites back to their own countries?

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      • FreDraken

        No, he doesn't. He believes in the basic goodness of the human spirit. He probably doesn't have a friend or a close family member who has suffered enough of a trauma yet to wise him up. He feels 'lucky'.

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        • shade_ilmaendu

          I believe in the basic goodness of the human spirit. I also believe in the human capacity to commit the worst kinds of atrocities.

          Our nature is a very dualistic thing.

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  • NeuroNeptunian

    If Mexico wasn't such a corrupt nation with such a corrupt government, we wouldn't have to be the ones to figure this out for ourselves.

    Think about it. A nation in which millions of people have gone missing and none of them really care? Are you serious? A lot will have to change for immigrants to become legal here, a lot of human rights violations will have to be corrected. We can't just keep doing things the way we're doing them and Mexico obviously doesn't give two shits.

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  • dirtybirdy

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is how I feel about it

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  • djunebug

    Interesting opinion FreDraken. But if the Obama administration did care and since they can give an executive order at the drop of a hat, then why didn't he do it the first year he was in office? Elections are coming up soon and he needs their vote. As far as Latinos being long standing democrats? I don't think they really give a rats ass about this country. As long as they get free health care ( which I still can't believe ) and hand outs they will vote for whoever gives it to them. Their hearts are in their own country. Not here. Ever hear how Mexicans say that Mexico is the greatest country in the world? I live in an area surrounded by these people and I've heard it more than once. Amazing how this country is so lenient as far as the requirements to become a citizen or a resident.

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    • FreDraken

      He waited until now to do it because the timing; right before the election, produces the biggest political payback for him.

      You are correct about most Mexicans. They still love Mexico best, even though it's run by wealthy multigenerational oligarchs who regard the common people as filthy cockroaches to be exploited, just the way their ancestors did.

      Mexicans are mainly up here for the money. Not too many have any intention of learning fluent English and assimilating.

      The main reason they aspire to go back and live in that godforsaken land is that they haven't figured out how to bring ALL their relatives up to El Norte, and Mexicans have very strong family bonds.

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  • Mando

    If you're posting about US politics please say so and don't be such a Yank in presuming that America is synonymous with the world. Otherwise frame your question from a world perspective. There are people from many other countries here. Thank you.

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  • djunebug

    I have to say this dream act is nothing more than a political stunt by the Obama administration. He just wants the latino vote. Don't think he's doing it because he really cares about these people. And for the people in other countries who have actually applied for a work permit and gone about the legal process correctly; it must be infuriating that people who are here illegally all of a sudden are able to apply for a work permit. I know the requirements don't permit everyone who is illegal to obtail a work permit and it's for people who were brought over here by family and didn't have a choice. Too bad the economy is in the toilet because now is not a time to have more people here while hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs each week. It's not an easy issue to tackle.

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    • FreDraken

      I think Obama DOES care about Latino people; on two counts:

      1) They are generally going to become lifelong Democratic voters - not least because they are net consumers of government programs. A large percentage of them are in the lower 49% of wage earners who pay zero federal income taxes, so any federal assistance is completely FREE stuff.+

      2) They not European Caucasion. Obama has a burr under his saddle for any Caucasian who is not of direct help to him. Those who help him and buy into his socialist vision start with: Valerie Jarret, David Axelrod, David Plouffe, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi.

      The Hispanic preference for Obama does not apply to Cuban refugees, who have lived under socialism and they detest it. In 2008 only 35% voted for Obama.

      Interestingly, naturalized Russian immigrants are pretty reliably Republican voters. "One reason these voters tend to support Republicans is that they see them as more ardent warriors against the kind of big-government, business-stifling programs that soured their lives in the Soviet Union. Their conservative stances on issues like taxes and Israel seem to outweigh their more liberal views on social issues like abortion."

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  • Imsupernormal

    I say its all bullshit. I don't think the government has a right to tell us where we can and cannot live.

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    • FreDraken

      Well, our government tells you that can't live on an Air Force base or in Yosemite National Park or in a federal wildlife sanctuary.

      Do you have a big problem with those rules?

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  • chole

    Illegal immigration is often a means of survival. If they get through, they get through. If they don't, they do not.
    Dropping borders can potentially achieve world peace. Other than that, we will still group ourselves into communities according to our beliefs as there will always be people we disagree with. Thus, in the end, we will still separate to place ourselves in societies more comfortable for us and fulfilling to our needs.

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    • FreDraken

      Robbing people of their money at knife point is often a means of survival for drug addicts who feel like they're going to die if they don't get their net fix real quick.

      If they get away with it then they get away with it. If they don't, they don't.

      Other people involved in this process get taken advantage of..... pretty much without giving permission.
      Does that bother you at all?

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      • chole

        No. Not at all. I view it as a "selective process."
        Now, before you curse me to become a victim myself, I do not have any say against your opinion. Rather, I appreciate it.

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        • FreDraken

          Well, it would be nice if you could work up a little bit of sympathy for the human victims, not just feel like they were randomly unlucky pieces of meat that fell victim to a natural process; that of powerful predatory mammals killing weaker ones.

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          • chole

            Survival. We are primitive creatures.

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  • Lynxikat

    Immigration is probably one of the few issues in the US that I actually have an opinion on.

    My view on illegal immigration is simple: boot 'em all out. Our ancestors came to this country legally, why can't they? I can think of no other country that just turns a blind eye to illegal immigration.

    And to the question of, "They have a kid that's born here, what do we do with them?" Send the kid with 'em. (Unless they have a relative that's a legal citizen of the US who's a decent human being. Then the kid should be sent to live with them while get their green card. And for the complaint of "That's too harsh to spilt apart a kid and their parents", well maybe that's what the parents should have thought of this before hand before they came into this country illegally).

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