You stated religion is a 'human aspect'
Its not
On the contrary 'humanists' are usually the atheists.
No child is religious.
It is taught (instructed) to them from others who have had it pushed upon them.
IF you remove the religious instructor, the child will grow up without Jesus (ie no Christianity) without Allah (hmm, they may have to be killed) and without any other known religion.
They may however look to the stars and wonder at its vastness. Many tend to say such things as lightning must be magical or spiritual. But after many thousands of years of science discoveries we have found that things that don't have an easy answer do not automatically constitute an existence of a god. Thankfully SCIENCE has already helped with the weather magic!
I'm of the belief that a certain proportion of the population are predisposed to this kind of 'magical' thinking, and that even in the absence of a coherent organised religion, they'd develop their own supernatural explanations despite science. Many people convert to one religion or another without having been raised religiously, around religion, or had religion forced upon them. They gravitate towards it because it provides something that science does not. They may look to the stars and think 'I know that is gravity-bound plasma and yet I KNOW there is something more than that'.
If science was satisfactory for everybody, the majority of my friends who are religious, have had a full education and were raised without religion wouldn't now follow a religion.
I'm saying that predisposed way of thinking with clear rational (modern) learning, allow people to understand that the unknown does not validate a belief (even a new belief) in an existence of a god.
This is where 'modern' teaching techniques can help children to continue with science (ie finding another planet that could sustain life) even if it is unknown or seemingly beyond belief (of which the planet example presently is not beyond belief)
Hundreds (really even a thousand) years ago, this type of teaching was just not allowed. If something couldn't be explained then usually it was given the god theory. These days science has moved on. Generally we accept unknowns as things we haven't found all the facts for yet, and that is all.
Regarding some intellectuals (obviously not stupid, but yes foolish) who continue with this old fashioned TAUGHT concept of an existence of a spaghetti monster or toaster flying through space (damn it I mean Jesus and god, I always mix that up!) These people will inevitably die off (ideally they should open their minds more, but mostly unlikely) and understand that children and future children are looking further and further into space, the beginnings of the universe, atoms and everything else that is scientific above ALL (including old fashioned religious beliefs).
Excuse the pun, but thank god for science!
Here's another quote I picked up on the Internet (it was mentioned in a forum like this one and I asked the post author if I could quote it and he said yes.
"Religions are our fantasy when reality is too complex to understand. Simple people like simple answers. How did the universe begin ? Simple – God magically made it. Complex – in the Science of cosmology you can learn about how the universe exists and what we have observed about it's beginnings.
The simple answer takes 2 seconds. The complex answer takes 10-15 years of dedicated study and even then, you still won't have all the answers you were looking for, but you will have facts, evidence, observation, models that have predictive capabilities, truth and reality. God & Faith are never answers to anything. They are when you want to give up and let your mind enjoy the simple, untruthful fantasy of knowing nothing at all."
Yes, but I'm saying that it isn't always as simple as 'I don't know this - therefore God'.
"Simple people like simple answers".
Why are religious people religious? Simple - because they haven't been taught science or they had religion bashed into them. Complex - because some people have an idiopathic sense, even conviction, that there is something beyond science, logic, rationality, beyond what is straight-forward, beyond what is provable or disprovable. To some people it simply IS.
I'll quote Gandhi,
"There is an indefinable mysterious Power that pervades everything. I feel it, though I do not see it. It is this unseen Power which makes itself felt and yet defies all proof, because it is so unlike all that I perceive through my senses. It transcends the senses. But it is possible to reason out the existence of God to a limited extent.
I do dimly perceive that whilst everything around me is ever changing, ever-dying, there is underlying all that change a Living Power that is changeless, that holds all together, that creates, dissolves, and re-creates. That informing Power or Spirit is God. And since nothing else I see merely through the senses can or will persist, He alone is."
Look I've had this exact same concept, even recently on an atheist forum! I honestly thought I'd be laughed at.
The answer was that we should not go to the end and say some magical energy exists so how can I now prove it. What we need to do is start at the start with facts and known understandings and then build on that.
IF that leads to a unknown energy source then all good, but we have to get there first.
We start with facts.
I know, I thought it was sad too, but I agreed with this strategy.
IIN to think that parents raising their children religiously should...
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You stated religion is a 'human aspect'
Its not
On the contrary 'humanists' are usually the atheists.
No child is religious.
It is taught (instructed) to them from others who have had it pushed upon them.
IF you remove the religious instructor, the child will grow up without Jesus (ie no Christianity) without Allah (hmm, they may have to be killed) and without any other known religion.
They may however look to the stars and wonder at its vastness. Many tend to say such things as lightning must be magical or spiritual. But after many thousands of years of science discoveries we have found that things that don't have an easy answer do not automatically constitute an existence of a god. Thankfully SCIENCE has already helped with the weather magic!
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I disagree.
I'm of the belief that a certain proportion of the population are predisposed to this kind of 'magical' thinking, and that even in the absence of a coherent organised religion, they'd develop their own supernatural explanations despite science. Many people convert to one religion or another without having been raised religiously, around religion, or had religion forced upon them. They gravitate towards it because it provides something that science does not. They may look to the stars and think 'I know that is gravity-bound plasma and yet I KNOW there is something more than that'.
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I'm saying that predisposed way of thinking with clear rational (modern) learning, allow people to understand that the unknown does not validate a belief (even a new belief) in an existence of a god.
This is where 'modern' teaching techniques can help children to continue with science (ie finding another planet that could sustain life) even if it is unknown or seemingly beyond belief (of which the planet example presently is not beyond belief)
Hundreds (really even a thousand) years ago, this type of teaching was just not allowed. If something couldn't be explained then usually it was given the god theory. These days science has moved on. Generally we accept unknowns as things we haven't found all the facts for yet, and that is all.
Regarding some intellectuals (obviously not stupid, but yes foolish) who continue with this old fashioned TAUGHT concept of an existence of a spaghetti monster or toaster flying through space (damn it I mean Jesus and god, I always mix that up!) These people will inevitably die off (ideally they should open their minds more, but mostly unlikely) and understand that children and future children are looking further and further into space, the beginnings of the universe, atoms and everything else that is scientific above ALL (including old fashioned religious beliefs).
Excuse the pun, but thank god for science!
Here's another quote I picked up on the Internet (it was mentioned in a forum like this one and I asked the post author if I could quote it and he said yes.
"Religions are our fantasy when reality is too complex to understand. Simple people like simple answers. How did the universe begin ? Simple – God magically made it. Complex – in the Science of cosmology you can learn about how the universe exists and what we have observed about it's beginnings.
The simple answer takes 2 seconds. The complex answer takes 10-15 years of dedicated study and even then, you still won't have all the answers you were looking for, but you will have facts, evidence, observation, models that have predictive capabilities, truth and reality. God & Faith are never answers to anything. They are when you want to give up and let your mind enjoy the simple, untruthful fantasy of knowing nothing at all."
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Yes, but I'm saying that it isn't always as simple as 'I don't know this - therefore God'.
"Simple people like simple answers".
Why are religious people religious? Simple - because they haven't been taught science or they had religion bashed into them. Complex - because some people have an idiopathic sense, even conviction, that there is something beyond science, logic, rationality, beyond what is straight-forward, beyond what is provable or disprovable. To some people it simply IS.
I'll quote Gandhi,
"There is an indefinable mysterious Power that pervades everything. I feel it, though I do not see it. It is this unseen Power which makes itself felt and yet defies all proof, because it is so unlike all that I perceive through my senses. It transcends the senses. But it is possible to reason out the existence of God to a limited extent.
I do dimly perceive that whilst everything around me is ever changing, ever-dying, there is underlying all that change a Living Power that is changeless, that holds all together, that creates, dissolves, and re-creates. That informing Power or Spirit is God. And since nothing else I see merely through the senses can or will persist, He alone is."
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Look I've had this exact same concept, even recently on an atheist forum! I honestly thought I'd be laughed at.
The answer was that we should not go to the end and say some magical energy exists so how can I now prove it. What we need to do is start at the start with facts and known understandings and then build on that.
IF that leads to a unknown energy source then all good, but we have to get there first.
We start with facts.
I know, I thought it was sad too, but I agreed with this strategy.