No, because religious belief in supernaturals is just make believe. This is not a choice, or belief in one way or another.
Its about fact Vs fiction.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence of any all powerful deity.
Whereas laws and communities coming together to intelligently decide on what's best for everyone in their present society is based on FACT and REASON.
Fact - To religious people it's not "make-believe", however baffling that might be.
Fact - raising a child religiously does not inevitably brainwash them, destroy their ability to think rationally or fit in with society.
Fact - raising a child religiously does not inevitably subvert or deviate from "what's best for everyone in their present society". If a child is happy and fulfilled within a family unit that is overtly religious, threatening to break that family unit up because the child is practicing the religion their parents taught them seems to me a brutal and idiotic, fascist way of imposing your beliefs upon someone without considering the potential negative ramifications - isn't 'imposing your beliefs upon someone' exactly the 'problem' you think a law would remedy?
Fiction - what's best for one person is best for every person.
Fiction - the more the government control every inch of our lives the better our society we'll be.
Fiction - this law proposed by the OP would be entirely enforceable and would obviously do more good than harm.
I'm not exactly too sure of the limits of religious debate on this forum, but I'll try to keep it in context to the original OPs question.
Quote: "To religious people it's not "make-believe", however baffling that might be."
Yes sensible people are aware of that abnormality.
Although it does not make religious belief any more real anyway.
People once thought slavery was also a good thing. But since science discovered that different ethnic groups actually have the same size brain (even if they speak another language, or live in the jungle or not)
Quite obviously the 'religious' population of society is backward and thankfully separated from state laws. Gone are the days where religion was taught in schools as the norm. It is now fully understood as a personal feeling of a belief without any fact (strangely AT ALL, I mean ZERO facts!)
Quote: "raising a child religiously does not inevitably brainwash them, destroy their ability to think rationally or fit in with society."
Mind boggling.
I would have to state that raising a child religiously IS brain washing. And without a doubt the No.1 reason of all the scientific; atheist; and even society in general as the most IRRATIONAL fit into society.
It concerns me greatly if some feel that learning religion may actually help others to think rationally when its clear that its the opposite effect.
It is NOT rational to fear God, nor is it rational to fear (or love!) the flying spaghetti monster in space.
To make choices in life (ie wasting life going to church or a mosque or living by the Bible or Holly Qur'an) is the utmost of irrationality. Based on zero understanding of any of our modern world.
I mean seriously. Some people actually think the world is 6,000 years old!? And others think we are made from clay (the Islam faith fools)
Of the religious minded people who have finally accepted evolution and Darwinism, STILL they place trust in a MAKE BELIEVE fairy tale.
The ONLY hope I see, is for children to NOT be taught this religious ridiculous rubbish by 'state' or PARENT.
There should be a law against parents abusing their young children like this. Teachings of fear of the all powerful spaghetti monster (oh I mean that liar Jesus).
EVEN pastors state that the Bible needs to be interpreted properly. Therefore, NEVER just give a child a Bible, or they might decide to stone others to death, since the Bible states this is ok to do!
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him." Leviticus 24:16
Absolute lunacy.
Keep your children clear of this dangerous belief.
Note: I couldn't possibly respond to ALL your false points above, except to say ALL RELIGION IS WRONG, if you like it or not!
Note: I don't expect you to accept any of the facts I discussed. Since having a religious belief makes you extremely defensive to REASON.
Firstly, "raising a child religiously does not inevitably brainwash them, destroy their ability to think rationally or fit in with society."
What I mean is a child raised religiously won't inevitably share the beliefs of their parents, nor will they inevitably be rendered incapable of rational thought, nor will they necessarily be at odds with the rest of society.
Comparing slavery with religion is bizarre. Religion is an aspect of every society, a HUMAN aspect. As you say, many people have an idiopathic sense of and perhaps need of something beyond, and that is what makes them attach to various religions. Therefore religion fits into society, it's often an unavoidable aspect of it because even if you took away all the religious doctrine in the world, that void would be filled again by new doctrine. Science cannot disprove religion once and for all because most religions have at the fundamental level a belief in something that is beyond our capabilities to prove or disprove. Justification for slavery, on the other hand, based on genetic arguments of intellectual inferiority, is quite easily disproven. The greater justification for the abolishment of slavery in America was, at its heart, a moral and ethical issue - something ultimately agreed on by Christians and non-Christians.
I wouldn't raise my child religiously. I'm not keen on other children being raised religiously either; in fact I entirely see where the OP and you are coming from. I believe a child should have the freedom to develop intellectually and socially, but also spiritually, without having a religion imposed upon them. HOWEVER my main contention is with a law forcing parents to adopt this stance. I don't believe the consequences of a religious upbringing nor our disagreements with it are severe enough to warrant laws against it.
Quote: "raising a child religiously does not inevitably brainwash them, destroy their ability to think rationally or fit in with society."
I am seriously going to quote that to others as the absolute limit of ignorance and foolishness that a religious minded person can obtain.
It's without a doubt one of the funniest quotes I've ever heard in my life. The rest of these idiotic quotes can be found in the Bible and Qur'an. ALL very funny.
You stated religion is a 'human aspect'
Its not
On the contrary 'humanists' are usually the atheists.
No child is religious.
It is taught (instructed) to them from others who have had it pushed upon them.
IF you remove the religious instructor, the child will grow up without Jesus (ie no Christianity) without Allah (hmm, they may have to be killed) and without any other known religion.
They may however look to the stars and wonder at its vastness. Many tend to say such things as lightning must be magical or spiritual. But after many thousands of years of science discoveries we have found that things that don't have an easy answer do not automatically constitute an existence of a god. Thankfully SCIENCE has already helped with the weather magic!
I'm of the belief that a certain proportion of the population are predisposed to this kind of 'magical' thinking, and that even in the absence of a coherent organised religion, they'd develop their own supernatural explanations despite science. Many people convert to one religion or another without having been raised religiously, around religion, or had religion forced upon them. They gravitate towards it because it provides something that science does not. They may look to the stars and think 'I know that is gravity-bound plasma and yet I KNOW there is something more than that'.
If science was satisfactory for everybody, the majority of my friends who are religious, have had a full education and were raised without religion wouldn't now follow a religion.
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No, because religious belief in supernaturals is just make believe. This is not a choice, or belief in one way or another.
Its about fact Vs fiction.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence of any all powerful deity.
Whereas laws and communities coming together to intelligently decide on what's best for everyone in their present society is based on FACT and REASON.
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Fact vs. Fiction.
Fact - To religious people it's not "make-believe", however baffling that might be.
Fact - raising a child religiously does not inevitably brainwash them, destroy their ability to think rationally or fit in with society.
Fact - raising a child religiously does not inevitably subvert or deviate from "what's best for everyone in their present society". If a child is happy and fulfilled within a family unit that is overtly religious, threatening to break that family unit up because the child is practicing the religion their parents taught them seems to me a brutal and idiotic, fascist way of imposing your beliefs upon someone without considering the potential negative ramifications - isn't 'imposing your beliefs upon someone' exactly the 'problem' you think a law would remedy?
Fiction - what's best for one person is best for every person.
Fiction - the more the government control every inch of our lives the better our society we'll be.
Fiction - this law proposed by the OP would be entirely enforceable and would obviously do more good than harm.
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I'm not exactly too sure of the limits of religious debate on this forum, but I'll try to keep it in context to the original OPs question.
Quote: "To religious people it's not "make-believe", however baffling that might be."
Yes sensible people are aware of that abnormality.
Although it does not make religious belief any more real anyway.
People once thought slavery was also a good thing. But since science discovered that different ethnic groups actually have the same size brain (even if they speak another language, or live in the jungle or not)
Quite obviously the 'religious' population of society is backward and thankfully separated from state laws. Gone are the days where religion was taught in schools as the norm. It is now fully understood as a personal feeling of a belief without any fact (strangely AT ALL, I mean ZERO facts!)
Quote: "raising a child religiously does not inevitably brainwash them, destroy their ability to think rationally or fit in with society."
Mind boggling.
I would have to state that raising a child religiously IS brain washing. And without a doubt the No.1 reason of all the scientific; atheist; and even society in general as the most IRRATIONAL fit into society.
It concerns me greatly if some feel that learning religion may actually help others to think rationally when its clear that its the opposite effect.
It is NOT rational to fear God, nor is it rational to fear (or love!) the flying spaghetti monster in space.
To make choices in life (ie wasting life going to church or a mosque or living by the Bible or Holly Qur'an) is the utmost of irrationality. Based on zero understanding of any of our modern world.
I mean seriously. Some people actually think the world is 6,000 years old!? And others think we are made from clay (the Islam faith fools)
Of the religious minded people who have finally accepted evolution and Darwinism, STILL they place trust in a MAKE BELIEVE fairy tale.
The ONLY hope I see, is for children to NOT be taught this religious ridiculous rubbish by 'state' or PARENT.
There should be a law against parents abusing their young children like this. Teachings of fear of the all powerful spaghetti monster (oh I mean that liar Jesus).
EVEN pastors state that the Bible needs to be interpreted properly. Therefore, NEVER just give a child a Bible, or they might decide to stone others to death, since the Bible states this is ok to do!
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him." Leviticus 24:16
Absolute lunacy.
Keep your children clear of this dangerous belief.
Note: I couldn't possibly respond to ALL your false points above, except to say ALL RELIGION IS WRONG, if you like it or not!
Note: I don't expect you to accept any of the facts I discussed. Since having a religious belief makes you extremely defensive to REASON.
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Agreed, one thing that caught my attention that isn't brought up often is how the pastors even insist the Bible be taken literally.
Even if it was not meant to be somehow taken literally, what would it EVEN MEAN? It's just clearly bullshit.
Note: I'm not religious.
Firstly, "raising a child religiously does not inevitably brainwash them, destroy their ability to think rationally or fit in with society."
What I mean is a child raised religiously won't inevitably share the beliefs of their parents, nor will they inevitably be rendered incapable of rational thought, nor will they necessarily be at odds with the rest of society.
Comparing slavery with religion is bizarre. Religion is an aspect of every society, a HUMAN aspect. As you say, many people have an idiopathic sense of and perhaps need of something beyond, and that is what makes them attach to various religions. Therefore religion fits into society, it's often an unavoidable aspect of it because even if you took away all the religious doctrine in the world, that void would be filled again by new doctrine. Science cannot disprove religion once and for all because most religions have at the fundamental level a belief in something that is beyond our capabilities to prove or disprove. Justification for slavery, on the other hand, based on genetic arguments of intellectual inferiority, is quite easily disproven. The greater justification for the abolishment of slavery in America was, at its heart, a moral and ethical issue - something ultimately agreed on by Christians and non-Christians.
I wouldn't raise my child religiously. I'm not keen on other children being raised religiously either; in fact I entirely see where the OP and you are coming from. I believe a child should have the freedom to develop intellectually and socially, but also spiritually, without having a religion imposed upon them. HOWEVER my main contention is with a law forcing parents to adopt this stance. I don't believe the consequences of a religious upbringing nor our disagreements with it are severe enough to warrant laws against it.
Quote: "raising a child religiously does not inevitably brainwash them, destroy their ability to think rationally or fit in with society."
I am seriously going to quote that to others as the absolute limit of ignorance and foolishness that a religious minded person can obtain.
It's without a doubt one of the funniest quotes I've ever heard in my life. The rest of these idiotic quotes can be found in the Bible and Qur'an. ALL very funny.
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As I say, I'm not religious.
You are, however, extremely judgemental.
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You stated religion is a 'human aspect'
Its not
On the contrary 'humanists' are usually the atheists.
No child is religious.
It is taught (instructed) to them from others who have had it pushed upon them.
IF you remove the religious instructor, the child will grow up without Jesus (ie no Christianity) without Allah (hmm, they may have to be killed) and without any other known religion.
They may however look to the stars and wonder at its vastness. Many tend to say such things as lightning must be magical or spiritual. But after many thousands of years of science discoveries we have found that things that don't have an easy answer do not automatically constitute an existence of a god. Thankfully SCIENCE has already helped with the weather magic!
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I disagree.
I'm of the belief that a certain proportion of the population are predisposed to this kind of 'magical' thinking, and that even in the absence of a coherent organised religion, they'd develop their own supernatural explanations despite science. Many people convert to one religion or another without having been raised religiously, around religion, or had religion forced upon them. They gravitate towards it because it provides something that science does not. They may look to the stars and think 'I know that is gravity-bound plasma and yet I KNOW there is something more than that'.
If science was satisfactory for everybody, the majority of my friends who are religious, have had a full education and were raised without religion wouldn't now follow a religion.