That is incorrect, I believe people should be open to different ways for everyone. I have my own way that works for me of course but I wouldn't enforce my atheism on my children (if I have any). Everyone has different things that work for them, while the parents way may be right for them to be more happy/successful it doesn't mean it'll be right for their children.
Raising someone religiously isn't inherently done with force. A kid can be quite willing to accompany his or her parents to a mosque, church, synagogue or whatever, and be quite excited about religious festivals, and be eager to know about the stories and background. Not everybody has religion beaten into them.
"while the parents way may be right for them to be more happy/successful it doesn't mean it'll be right for their children", but it doesn't mean it'll be wrong either. What if a child were happier, more successful, more content because they've been raised that way?
I'm not religious and I wasn't brought up in a religious household. But I'm not so cocky that I think my way of being brought was the best way, the only way that's right, the way the government should force people to be brought up, FORCE people with laws and the threat of violence / detention (prison).
How would that even be practically enforced anyway? Through surveillance? Is that kid wearing a kippah?! Is that child attending church?! Is that child praying to Allah?! Is that family CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS?! Quick, call social services!
Any child having anything "beaten" into them is a victim of abuse, whether it be religion, homophobia, racism or indeed atheism, acceptance of homosexuality or a belief in racial equality. No child should be beaten into thinking a certain way.
A child who is in no danger, who is not being physically harmed, who is being fed and schooled, who is being clothed and who has shelter is a child with greater luck than millions of other children on this planet.
Laws are a contract forced upon everyone from birth, and should therefore be considered very carefully - they are not some MAGICAL SOLUTION to shape society.
A society forcing parents to cease raising their children religiously is actually quite similar to a parent forcing their child to be religious. It's a game of who has the bigger stick - either way, someone is getting whacked. That is not the wonderful ticket to "peace and sharing" and "understanding other cultures" as the OP implies.
Secular education that teaches morality and ethics outside of religion, that teaches rational and analytical approaches to problems, that teaches the fundamental shared values of society, THAT is the wonderful ticket. THAT is the reason many kids (INCLUDING THE OP) who are raised in a religious household see beyond their parents' belief system and are therefore able to decide it's not for them.
Society laws are worked out by many individuals sitting down together intelligently discussing the best outcomes for certain situations based on our present society. Note: This is not magic Lol
What we don't do, is take on a 2000 year old book (or religious belief) and pick one of the not so morally good belief stories. Note: This is similar to magic Lol.
Also, to state that its not damaging for a child because like the OP, as an adult, he can then question their own upbringing.
Children ARE forced to church. I'm shocked you weren't aware of this.
They cannot stay home by themselves, for hours on end, including on special occasions like Xmas and Easter days.
They are formerly told by parents/pastors and all the church people that they MUST love 'Jesus' more than anyone (even more than their own parents) else they are going to hell.
Do you honestly believe a child is given a choice?
And to the ramifications of this bad parenting?
A child who is likely very scared (this is the Christian faith) and has issues of going against everyone they knew when growing up! Some may stay on just to be safe!! THAT'S not a good upbringing in my view!
Religious parents imposing their unfounded beliefs onto their own children have very little respect for their own children, anyway I suppose their life is in gods hands and not theirs, so send them on camp with that wide eyed pastor who seems to like little kids!
The whole idea of religion and children just does NOT mix.
Yes I am aware some children are forced. I never denied this. But you must also accept some children aren't forced and choose to share and be involved with their parents' religion.
Let's look at the idea of a law again shall we.
What of those parents who harbour racist sentiments? Who support National Socialism? Or support eugenics? Or support sexual inequality? Or support any view that is perceived to be abnormal? If they encourage or force their child to adopt their perspective, should this be illegal and warrant some Government intervention and punishment too? How would you discover these parents? What would be an appropriate punishment?
It's easy to chase after religious people. There is typically a public observation of their beliefs; church, mosque, synagogue etc. If you made children's attendance of these illegal, do you not think they'd just have church/mosque/synagogues on a small scale at home? Private worshipping? This would push the entire thing underground and in fact result in a more oppressive upbringing where a child is more likely to be segregated from society.
Correct, its generally unenforceable (presently, ie who knows what digital cameras could be lawfully placed in peoples homes and not just the public streets one day! Food for thought)
The BEST way is to openly shame these parents. On TV the Internet and any media source.
To make it 'normal' that this type of > instruction, is NOT modern education, and generally not accepted by science what so ever.
The quest is to get politicians to voice these modern understandings. But since money and votes (population of individuals) seem to sway the politician to continue harboring religious groups then nothing will be done until one day we have a very brave president!
I feel this day WILL come though, just as a black president was voted in, so will an atheist one day. And things will finally change for the better IMO and many others of the world.
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That is incorrect, I believe people should be open to different ways for everyone. I have my own way that works for me of course but I wouldn't enforce my atheism on my children (if I have any). Everyone has different things that work for them, while the parents way may be right for them to be more happy/successful it doesn't mean it'll be right for their children.
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Raising someone religiously isn't inherently done with force. A kid can be quite willing to accompany his or her parents to a mosque, church, synagogue or whatever, and be quite excited about religious festivals, and be eager to know about the stories and background. Not everybody has religion beaten into them.
"while the parents way may be right for them to be more happy/successful it doesn't mean it'll be right for their children", but it doesn't mean it'll be wrong either. What if a child were happier, more successful, more content because they've been raised that way?
I'm not religious and I wasn't brought up in a religious household. But I'm not so cocky that I think my way of being brought was the best way, the only way that's right, the way the government should force people to be brought up, FORCE people with laws and the threat of violence / detention (prison).
How would that even be practically enforced anyway? Through surveillance? Is that kid wearing a kippah?! Is that child attending church?! Is that child praying to Allah?! Is that family CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS?! Quick, call social services!
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I believe they need to limit the ages and also make it illegal IF the child is being forced/having it beaten into them.
This is unacceptable as it does violate the first amendment. Children lose their freedom of choice. Limits need to be made.
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Any child having anything "beaten" into them is a victim of abuse, whether it be religion, homophobia, racism or indeed atheism, acceptance of homosexuality or a belief in racial equality. No child should be beaten into thinking a certain way.
A child who is in no danger, who is not being physically harmed, who is being fed and schooled, who is being clothed and who has shelter is a child with greater luck than millions of other children on this planet.
Laws are a contract forced upon everyone from birth, and should therefore be considered very carefully - they are not some MAGICAL SOLUTION to shape society.
A society forcing parents to cease raising their children religiously is actually quite similar to a parent forcing their child to be religious. It's a game of who has the bigger stick - either way, someone is getting whacked. That is not the wonderful ticket to "peace and sharing" and "understanding other cultures" as the OP implies.
Secular education that teaches morality and ethics outside of religion, that teaches rational and analytical approaches to problems, that teaches the fundamental shared values of society, THAT is the wonderful ticket. THAT is the reason many kids (INCLUDING THE OP) who are raised in a religious household see beyond their parents' belief system and are therefore able to decide it's not for them.
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That's not exactly correct.
Society laws are worked out by many individuals sitting down together intelligently discussing the best outcomes for certain situations based on our present society. Note: This is not magic Lol
What we don't do, is take on a 2000 year old book (or religious belief) and pick one of the not so morally good belief stories. Note: This is similar to magic Lol.
Also, to state that its not damaging for a child because like the OP, as an adult, he can then question their own upbringing.
Children ARE forced to church. I'm shocked you weren't aware of this.
They cannot stay home by themselves, for hours on end, including on special occasions like Xmas and Easter days.
They are formerly told by parents/pastors and all the church people that they MUST love 'Jesus' more than anyone (even more than their own parents) else they are going to hell.
Do you honestly believe a child is given a choice?
And to the ramifications of this bad parenting?
A child who is likely very scared (this is the Christian faith) and has issues of going against everyone they knew when growing up! Some may stay on just to be safe!! THAT'S not a good upbringing in my view!
Religious parents imposing their unfounded beliefs onto their own children have very little respect for their own children, anyway I suppose their life is in gods hands and not theirs, so send them on camp with that wide eyed pastor who seems to like little kids!
The whole idea of religion and children just does NOT mix.
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Yes I am aware some children are forced. I never denied this. But you must also accept some children aren't forced and choose to share and be involved with their parents' religion.
Let's look at the idea of a law again shall we.
What of those parents who harbour racist sentiments? Who support National Socialism? Or support eugenics? Or support sexual inequality? Or support any view that is perceived to be abnormal? If they encourage or force their child to adopt their perspective, should this be illegal and warrant some Government intervention and punishment too? How would you discover these parents? What would be an appropriate punishment?
It's easy to chase after religious people. There is typically a public observation of their beliefs; church, mosque, synagogue etc. If you made children's attendance of these illegal, do you not think they'd just have church/mosque/synagogues on a small scale at home? Private worshipping? This would push the entire thing underground and in fact result in a more oppressive upbringing where a child is more likely to be segregated from society.
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Correct, its generally unenforceable (presently, ie who knows what digital cameras could be lawfully placed in peoples homes and not just the public streets one day! Food for thought)
The BEST way is to openly shame these parents. On TV the Internet and any media source.
To make it 'normal' that this type of > instruction, is NOT modern education, and generally not accepted by science what so ever.
The quest is to get politicians to voice these modern understandings. But since money and votes (population of individuals) seem to sway the politician to continue harboring religious groups then nothing will be done until one day we have a very brave president!
I feel this day WILL come though, just as a black president was voted in, so will an atheist one day. And things will finally change for the better IMO and many others of the world.
I see your point, but still this remains a conflicted issue. Rights of one of the other is violated either way.
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I agree.