I hear you. But just as there is an age of sexual consent, do you not see how someone could wish for something along the same lines with religion? Born into it, it really can blindside and misdirect someone.
I can see your point, but I think if you are going to believe you will and if you are not then you won't. No matter how you were raised. All of the atheists I know were raised religious and many of the religious people I know were raised with no religion or a different religion than they are now.
Of course, but I still "explored" various religions when I was in my early twenties.
I like the community aspect that a lot of religions have, but I found everything else was a lot of nonsense. And most religions are extremely sexist which I find very repulsive.
I know what you mean. I really wanted religion to be something spectacular because I figured that if so many people love it then there has to be some good in it. The good ended up being the community connection.
With the rise of atheism and agnosticism, perhaps there is a vacancy in the feeling of community for some people. I wonder what people do now to get that same feeling of community or if there is a rash of disconnectedness. Sounds like something I'd research for a school assignment.
I grew up in a very small community and having that connectedness is important to me. I haven't lived in that community in twenty years, but I am accepted back into it with open arms whenever I go back. A lot of my old friends are rednecks and hillbillies but they are good honest people.
community is certainly important in the point of view i identify with :) feeling connected to others is feeling connected to life, thus fertilizing the soul
I am lucky that I have a community of my own to be a part of, but I worry about it for all of the other non-believers out there that don't. What do they end up doing?
Very true. I just think laws like this would kind of cut to the chase. And unfortunately, for as many free thinking humanitarians as there are, whether athiest or spiritual, there are tenfold religious zealots. Or so it seems to me. While some get out with their sanity, many are trapped for life to become veritable Dick Chenneys :O
i think many governments are religious in nature, and operate within every implication of a religious system.
note how closely our electoral and senatorial processes mirror the papal system at the vatican. even that aside, governments in the past several hundred years the world around have functioned like churches in periods of societal "awakenings".
political spectrums in nearly every nation are riddled with propaganda vying for every second of our attention at times close to an election of any significance. often voters are pushed from one point on a binary spectrum to another-- two "opposing" parties who are really just wrapped up with their respective competing buisnesses and firms. These "opposing" parties make trivial, societal white-elephants out of issues that shouldn't even be issues in truly just societies, such as racial integration, homosexuality, and contraceptive rights...just to distract populations from games involving big, big money. when one party wins out over the other, the primary flow of money just shifts. the winning party becomes mega-rich, while the losers become semi-mega-rich.
in the worst places, there are absolute regimes, so the common citizen does not even have the luxury of pretending that they have democratic power as would citizens of a politically binary country. when you look at these places, i think it is no coincidence that many are theocratic. and as im sure you know, many governments are OPENLY religious (as opposed to acting on religious principles and then shrouding the conversation of these acts with a politically correct language).
it seems these days that when we vote, we are always told to look to the future. deadlines are frequently moved, failed measures to "improve things" are replaced with more and more failing measures, every idea is a recycled one, and the whole time we hear--"It will get better if i win because _______".
to me this seems religious, because religions have taxes of tithes and promise ETERNALLY better, brighter futures. religion and politics even share a common body--ever the two-headed ceberus. the perfect afterlives in religion are conditional, often times actually based around the distracting white-elephant issues made up by bureaucrats (immigration, drug laws, homosexuality, contraceptive issues...i could go on :D ).
the thing is though, is the afterlife actually better? how many people reading my comment have died (and stayed dead--please no "i technically died" stories). the thing is, despite it all, we don't know if the afterlife is better until we have ACTUALLY DIED. we can have firm, even unshakable convictions that our religious beliefs are true, in the same way that a citizen of a nation state can have unfailing faith in their political systems. we've yet to *die* though, politically--we have yet to shed our entire past political life and do something that works. I don't think its trial and error, though--I think deep down every person knows what would truly work, but each individual has various amounts of fear attached to that knowledge.
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I hear you. But just as there is an age of sexual consent, do you not see how someone could wish for something along the same lines with religion? Born into it, it really can blindside and misdirect someone.
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I can see your point, but I think if you are going to believe you will and if you are not then you won't. No matter how you were raised. All of the atheists I know were raised religious and many of the religious people I know were raised with no religion or a different religion than they are now.
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I was raised atheist.
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Of course, but I still "explored" various religions when I was in my early twenties.
I like the community aspect that a lot of religions have, but I found everything else was a lot of nonsense. And most religions are extremely sexist which I find very repulsive.
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Thats probably the reason why I felt so good when I was christian but I couldn't stand the fact that it made no good sense.
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I know what you mean. I really wanted religion to be something spectacular because I figured that if so many people love it then there has to be some good in it. The good ended up being the community connection.
With the rise of atheism and agnosticism, perhaps there is a vacancy in the feeling of community for some people. I wonder what people do now to get that same feeling of community or if there is a rash of disconnectedness. Sounds like something I'd research for a school assignment.
I grew up in a very small community and having that connectedness is important to me. I haven't lived in that community in twenty years, but I am accepted back into it with open arms whenever I go back. A lot of my old friends are rednecks and hillbillies but they are good honest people.
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Absolutely.
I am lucky that I have a community of my own to be a part of, but I worry about it for all of the other non-believers out there that don't. What do they end up doing?
Agreed.
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Very true. I just think laws like this would kind of cut to the chase. And unfortunately, for as many free thinking humanitarians as there are, whether athiest or spiritual, there are tenfold religious zealots. Or so it seems to me. While some get out with their sanity, many are trapped for life to become veritable Dick Chenneys :O
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HAHA I still find laws and government to be worse for the world than religion. (In most cases).
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Agreed.
i think many governments are religious in nature, and operate within every implication of a religious system.
note how closely our electoral and senatorial processes mirror the papal system at the vatican. even that aside, governments in the past several hundred years the world around have functioned like churches in periods of societal "awakenings".
political spectrums in nearly every nation are riddled with propaganda vying for every second of our attention at times close to an election of any significance. often voters are pushed from one point on a binary spectrum to another-- two "opposing" parties who are really just wrapped up with their respective competing buisnesses and firms. These "opposing" parties make trivial, societal white-elephants out of issues that shouldn't even be issues in truly just societies, such as racial integration, homosexuality, and contraceptive rights...just to distract populations from games involving big, big money. when one party wins out over the other, the primary flow of money just shifts. the winning party becomes mega-rich, while the losers become semi-mega-rich.
in the worst places, there are absolute regimes, so the common citizen does not even have the luxury of pretending that they have democratic power as would citizens of a politically binary country. when you look at these places, i think it is no coincidence that many are theocratic. and as im sure you know, many governments are OPENLY religious (as opposed to acting on religious principles and then shrouding the conversation of these acts with a politically correct language).
it seems these days that when we vote, we are always told to look to the future. deadlines are frequently moved, failed measures to "improve things" are replaced with more and more failing measures, every idea is a recycled one, and the whole time we hear--"It will get better if i win because _______".
to me this seems religious, because religions have taxes of tithes and promise ETERNALLY better, brighter futures. religion and politics even share a common body--ever the two-headed ceberus. the perfect afterlives in religion are conditional, often times actually based around the distracting white-elephant issues made up by bureaucrats (immigration, drug laws, homosexuality, contraceptive issues...i could go on :D ).
the thing is though, is the afterlife actually better? how many people reading my comment have died (and stayed dead--please no "i technically died" stories). the thing is, despite it all, we don't know if the afterlife is better until we have ACTUALLY DIED. we can have firm, even unshakable convictions that our religious beliefs are true, in the same way that a citizen of a nation state can have unfailing faith in their political systems. we've yet to *die* though, politically--we have yet to shed our entire past political life and do something that works. I don't think its trial and error, though--I think deep down every person knows what would truly work, but each individual has various amounts of fear attached to that knowledge.
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I agree. I think a lot of government types abuse religion as a tool to get what they want, with no actual beliefs.