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The CCP is easily the biggest threat to the world right now. If WW3 were to ever break-out, and China is the axis in that conflict, I would without any hesitation sign-up for it.
I agree that China are a serious danger to society. It's annoying how people mistake legitimate fear of China for racism.
Do you know who's even more of a serious danger to society?
The US!!!
In 2013 a poll conducted across the world found that the US was ranked Number 1 in terms of who is the biggest threat to world peace by 28%, and China is only 6%.
This is all due to America's protracted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, its vast surveillance program, its use of drones in Pakistan and Yemen, its war on terror and its war on drugs are all likely contributing to its peace-less reputation.
Yeah I realise the US is one of the top threats as well, most people already know that though (at least the ones willing to admit it). But probably most people don't realise how dystopian China is, that's probably why they ranked only 6% on that poll. And it's looking like they'll wield much more influence over the world in the future, so I'm worried about that.
I agree, China has a big influence in terms of the economy. However to say that China will wield much more influence over the world in the future is absurd. When it's the US who has more of the imperialistic influence, not China.
In terms of going to war with them. The US spends more on it's military budget then the next 20 biggest countries combined (that includes China). Even with a huge budget in terms of strength China still has the strongest military in the world, so in a war, the US would lose (even with all of it's allies).
It also doesn't help that the US depends on China for providing the low-cost goods that enable income-constrained American consumers to make ends meet. The U.S. also depends on China to support its own exports; next to Mexico and Canada, China is America's third largest and by far its most rapidly growing major export market.
In a way nobody would benefit from going to war with China, except for people who think Asian people suck.
Well I didn't mean going to war with China, I just meant China gaining more power to influence other countries, for example pressuring other countries to tolerate their human rights violations and even to allow it in their countries. Hollywood already realises the huge market in China and deliberately kisses China's ass to get their movies shown over there, which is obviously China's intention in order to indoctrinate everyone around the world into believing that China is a great country. Another thing I hate is TikTok, since it can be used by the Chinese government to spy on people worldwide. It seems they were clearly inspired by the NSA. Stuff like that.
'why doncha wanna fight me? whats the matter general tso? are you chicken?'
America and its modern allies are decadent and effeminate, whereas China is on the rise and has over a billion people. I don't like the chances of the West tbh, even with America's spending on the armed forces.
You are forgetting that china is sitting next to india which is about the same population and hates China due to border disputes because india could take over chinas yellow river intake from the Himalayas.
India will totally be tanking the bulk of the casualties. Two front wars never end well.
That's a damn good point actually. India would be likely to side with the allies too.
They have every reason to do so as well. India has fought wars with china. Actually that was the most recent conflict china had with a foreign power and that was over 40 years ago. Nearly all of chinas troops never fought in a war before. That lack of experience leads to heavy casualties. Not just due to regular fighting but also increasing the chances of non combat casualties such as loading heavy equipment quickly. Chinas only has one advantage man power. That man power is weak and untrained in the fires of war. They had a chance to book it to syria and kill isis where they could actually get good PR and combat experience. They let that opportunity slide to their detriment.
Please, effeminate? That's right-wing propaganda. The US have by far the greatest military in the world (speaking as a non-American).
They do, I won't deny it, but even for WW1 most countries had around 15% of their population conscripted. You're not just looking at the army numbers you're looking at possible men you can conscript, and a lot of them are too decadent and effeminate to fight properly.
Because Chinese men are so much more macho?! Considering the love of guns in the US (among other things), I wouldn't bet on it. I assume you're comparing to the past, but we are all more 'decadent' now than we were during WW1; nothing unique about America or Europe there. And by more decadent I'm mostly meaning less fit physically. Tucker Carlson made the exact same point as you recently, so I assume you're of his persuasion? Maybe it's a big talking point in certain circles.
And saying people are too effeminate to fight properly seems even sillier to me. I'm certain there were plenty of effeminate soldiers in WW1, I don't see what it's got to do with fighting. It's true we normally associate fighting with masculinity, but that's not because acting manly per se makes for a better fighter. It's mostly physical strength, training, ability, discipline that determine how good a soldier is.
Ultimately, concentrating on the personal qualities of individuals is a bit redundant in times of modern war, considering the much greater importance of technology. Plus, you might think of certain characteristics as decadence or effeminance, but sometimes these same characteristics can make people really good as remote controlling a drone or creating a cyberweapon to disable China's grid. Are you expecting trench warfare or something?
There are just too many foundational pioints we disagree on to have anything relating to a meaningful discussion. It's like trying to talk about colours to a bline man, and I'm sure you'd feel the same way should this conversation get going.
you mean you believe laughable fascist propaganda and I don't? I guess you're right, but don't accuse the left of being the ones who shut down debate 😏
All the points I made were based on analytically looking at the situation, not political views. And I'd like to add, this obsession on the right with projecting masculinity is really getting silly (but I guess it's just déjà vu all over again).
I'm happy to end the exchange, but only because I've genuinely got more urgent things I should be doing.
It depends massively on the context (or it would for me). If it was a Vietnam proxy-war type situation, I'd say you're more in the minority there. If they posed a clear and present danger to your country, which is what I assume you mean by WW3, then obviously, all patriotic people would want to do their part.
As someone who profoundly hates the chinese communist party I've delved into the probability of success.
China is in a very delicate position and they are doing everything in their power to ward off any potential ally. Russia will not immediately flock to chinas aid depending on the circumstances as russia has something to gain by being neutral, land that china illegally seized from them and is still a sore topic.
China is right next to india (which hates china) with a similar population that is just as tech savvy as China, albeit slightly less equipped for naval power, which china isnt that prepared for either.
China imports most of their food and if they get blockaded their only source of food is transported by railway which will be a target of numerous bombing campaigns or artillary strikes or sabotage. Because of this china cannot turtle up and withstand a seige by land sea and air on multiple fronts. India's primary objective would be cutting off chinas access to the yellow river from the Himalayas which as so happens to be India's perfered military expertise.
Chinas naval power is abysmal when compared to even the demilitarized japan. They have only one aircraft carrier that was bought from France and it doesnt have a catapult system rather relying on a ramp. They have a second one in the works currently but would have the normal quality people expect from china. China needed the south china sea islands to have "unsinkable" aircraft carriers. Problem with that is that an aircraft carrier has the benefit of superior mobility. With satilites being a thing we wells as recon stealth jets we can pretty easily keep track of what china puts on those islands. That complex probably isnt that deep into the ground and surface bombardment would be effective. At best it would delay the inevitable.
The communist party are not loved by the people. It's all they know and its tolerated (albeit the multiple protests they have on the daily that you never hear about because of the great firewall) they rule by fear and propaganda, which instantly become less effective when a war breaks out because no one likes war. The conscripted soldiers are taught communism first and being a soldier second. That kind of indoctrination can be broken given counter propaganda and less than tolerable conditions for the soldiers that are in all probability still their families best hope for continued success due to the one child policy dispite it ending years ago. That kind of individualistic ethic is punished in their army while in western armies it's often a benefit to have non commissioned officers being able to make decisions on the fly without direct orders from their officers.
China is pretty screwed straight up war wise. The best they can do is try to seperate america by party lines. Which I honestly think wont work if there was a unifying factor such as a war with china. And that's just one country, china still has dozens of countries that they pissed off.
China also has a massive housing market bubble that when it pops will in all probability lead to mass revolt due to chinas inflexibility to deal with civil unrest in ways other than beating or killing the opposition that is their own citizens.
In conclusion lots of people are going to die in that ww3 with China. But it's mostly going to be indians and chinese.