No, because it would matter to me as well as to the people I harmed. Are you seriously suggesting that only a belief in karma stops us from harming others? That's a very blinkered view.
I don't believe there's some well planned system in the universe whereby every cause has the appropriate effect eventually, nor do I believe in any imaginary friends in the sky who are running things.
We're here to look after each other as best we can, leave the world better than we found it and have some fun along the way, simple as that.
Have a look at the countries whose religions believe in karma: corruption, enslavement of women and children, bride prices, poverty, gang rape ......
I don't believe in those such things in a framework of a commercialized religion. IMHO, most religions are just a way to control people and contain a lot of lies. I do, believe in karma, for one, I think that when you are evil, you are just not a happy person. Any evil person you see as being genuinely happy, that person is putting on some type of facade. At least in the long run. I have also had what's called a near death experience. If you scientifically interviewed the thousands of people worldwide and interview them and investigate the situation, you would notice some interesting things. For one, the explanation that it's the mind's way of inventing some fantasy world to avoid confronting death falls by the waste side because these people actually described seeing things done to them during death that they would have no other way of knowing. Second of all, all of these people that have had a NDE have had a profound change of their personality.
I bet you are wondering what this has to do with karma? Well, when you do study the NDEs of people that have had a bad experience, they were tormented by all the evil things they did in their lifetime. This would be commercialized religions' "hell". I don't see it as heaven or hell. I think after researching all the religions of the world a person might understand a larger perception.
At least for me, after my NDE and in my life I have arrived upon the conclusion that I am happiest when I'm a loving individual, and when I love I am loved back. I genuinely have a happy life and many people envy me and don't understand why or how I got it.
Please give me a reference to these scientific studies of people who've had NDE's, or are you seriously suggesting I do research myself worldwide? Plenty of people have had NDE's, myself for one, and nothing unusual happened, except they nearly died but didn't. Many people who've "returned from the dead" state quite categorically that there's "nothing on the other side".
Have you personally researched all the religions of the world? I don't understand how researching made up beliefs has anything to do with the subject. You do realise that medical knowledge about when full death (as opposed to cessation of heart beat) actually occurs is changing as more research is done? It's fairly widely accepted that modern technology can now detect some brain activity in people who would once have been regarded as dead. That can actually be proved, as opposed to comforting but delusionary beliefs about afterlife and karma.
I object to these beliefs and will continue to do so because particularly in the case of karma, in countries where this is widely believed (eg India) there is widespread disparity in income, unhygienic living conditions for many, oppression of women .......... need I go on? The worst possible example of karma is the belief that children who are sexually abused CHOSE to be born into a situation where that would happen: I don't suppose by any chance that disgusting belief was made up by leaders of karma believing religions who institutionally abuse children? I was once told that all the Jews who perished in the Holocaust had chosen that fate - nothing to do with Hitler or the Nazi Party! This sort of crap leads to people passively accepting the most unjust and cruel oppression in the mistaken belief that it's their "karma" and their oppressers will suffer in a future life, ipso facto nothing needs to be done in this lifetime about oppression - pardon me while I find a large bucket to vomit in.
Of course we're all happier when we love and are loved in return: we are social creatures who need other people, but this doesn't prove the existence of an afterlife or of karma. It has been scientifically researched that people with satisfying social relationships have better life outcomes (eg, social isolation increases the risk of heart attack).
Finally, and I realise this will probably annoy you as much as it's annoyed other karma believers over the years: maybe it's all true, in which case it's my karma to question karma and yours to listen to me do so.
I'm definitely am not telling you what to believe. I am only trying to describe my own experience, I guess while explaining what I believe while making an attempt at making others understand how I got to where I am. You said you had a NDE? It doesn't sound like it. If you've watched the old unsolved mysteries, the with Robert Stack as the host, there was a segment called life after life. That is a good example of what I'm talking about. A NDE is where people see a light and they walk towards a light. I am not suggesting you personally do the research, just to look at the numbers and statistics of the phenomenon and just notice what scientifically is consistent.
When I had my NDE, i was in a place that was so beautiful, when I saw the light. WHen I was there I remembered being there before. It was truly amazing, kind of like you don't remember something until you see it again and remember. When I saw it, I remembered how wonderful it is. It's not something I can prove to you, it's something I felt in my heart that I just knew was true. That's all I can offer.
So unless I experienced what you believe is an NDE, I wasn't near death? Well you weren't there, but hospital and medical records would prove otherwise. Are you seriously producing as evidence some old fictional TV show? Words fail me ..........
There is nothing scientifically consistent about anything to do with NDE's, they've been researched quite a few times and the results are inconclusive. Many people have "come back from the dead" and said there's nothing there. But of course according to you, they didn't have NDE's because their experience isn't the same as yours.
Believe what you like, but don't clutter up your wishful thinking with references to science because that has nothing to do with your beliefs.
I am specifically describing when these people see a light and walk towards the light. Perhaps other cases of people almost dying haven't had this. THIS specifically is what I mean as a NDE. You are so cranky and snarky it's obvious you're not happy in your life.
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No, because it would matter to me as well as to the people I harmed. Are you seriously suggesting that only a belief in karma stops us from harming others? That's a very blinkered view.
I don't believe there's some well planned system in the universe whereby every cause has the appropriate effect eventually, nor do I believe in any imaginary friends in the sky who are running things.
We're here to look after each other as best we can, leave the world better than we found it and have some fun along the way, simple as that.
Have a look at the countries whose religions believe in karma: corruption, enslavement of women and children, bride prices, poverty, gang rape ......
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I don't believe in those such things in a framework of a commercialized religion. IMHO, most religions are just a way to control people and contain a lot of lies. I do, believe in karma, for one, I think that when you are evil, you are just not a happy person. Any evil person you see as being genuinely happy, that person is putting on some type of facade. At least in the long run. I have also had what's called a near death experience. If you scientifically interviewed the thousands of people worldwide and interview them and investigate the situation, you would notice some interesting things. For one, the explanation that it's the mind's way of inventing some fantasy world to avoid confronting death falls by the waste side because these people actually described seeing things done to them during death that they would have no other way of knowing. Second of all, all of these people that have had a NDE have had a profound change of their personality.
I bet you are wondering what this has to do with karma? Well, when you do study the NDEs of people that have had a bad experience, they were tormented by all the evil things they did in their lifetime. This would be commercialized religions' "hell". I don't see it as heaven or hell. I think after researching all the religions of the world a person might understand a larger perception.
At least for me, after my NDE and in my life I have arrived upon the conclusion that I am happiest when I'm a loving individual, and when I love I am loved back. I genuinely have a happy life and many people envy me and don't understand why or how I got it.
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Please give me a reference to these scientific studies of people who've had NDE's, or are you seriously suggesting I do research myself worldwide? Plenty of people have had NDE's, myself for one, and nothing unusual happened, except they nearly died but didn't. Many people who've "returned from the dead" state quite categorically that there's "nothing on the other side".
Have you personally researched all the religions of the world? I don't understand how researching made up beliefs has anything to do with the subject. You do realise that medical knowledge about when full death (as opposed to cessation of heart beat) actually occurs is changing as more research is done? It's fairly widely accepted that modern technology can now detect some brain activity in people who would once have been regarded as dead. That can actually be proved, as opposed to comforting but delusionary beliefs about afterlife and karma.
I object to these beliefs and will continue to do so because particularly in the case of karma, in countries where this is widely believed (eg India) there is widespread disparity in income, unhygienic living conditions for many, oppression of women .......... need I go on? The worst possible example of karma is the belief that children who are sexually abused CHOSE to be born into a situation where that would happen: I don't suppose by any chance that disgusting belief was made up by leaders of karma believing religions who institutionally abuse children? I was once told that all the Jews who perished in the Holocaust had chosen that fate - nothing to do with Hitler or the Nazi Party! This sort of crap leads to people passively accepting the most unjust and cruel oppression in the mistaken belief that it's their "karma" and their oppressers will suffer in a future life, ipso facto nothing needs to be done in this lifetime about oppression - pardon me while I find a large bucket to vomit in.
Of course we're all happier when we love and are loved in return: we are social creatures who need other people, but this doesn't prove the existence of an afterlife or of karma. It has been scientifically researched that people with satisfying social relationships have better life outcomes (eg, social isolation increases the risk of heart attack).
Finally, and I realise this will probably annoy you as much as it's annoyed other karma believers over the years: maybe it's all true, in which case it's my karma to question karma and yours to listen to me do so.
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I'm definitely am not telling you what to believe. I am only trying to describe my own experience, I guess while explaining what I believe while making an attempt at making others understand how I got to where I am. You said you had a NDE? It doesn't sound like it. If you've watched the old unsolved mysteries, the with Robert Stack as the host, there was a segment called life after life. That is a good example of what I'm talking about. A NDE is where people see a light and they walk towards a light. I am not suggesting you personally do the research, just to look at the numbers and statistics of the phenomenon and just notice what scientifically is consistent.
When I had my NDE, i was in a place that was so beautiful, when I saw the light. WHen I was there I remembered being there before. It was truly amazing, kind of like you don't remember something until you see it again and remember. When I saw it, I remembered how wonderful it is. It's not something I can prove to you, it's something I felt in my heart that I just knew was true. That's all I can offer.
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So unless I experienced what you believe is an NDE, I wasn't near death? Well you weren't there, but hospital and medical records would prove otherwise. Are you seriously producing as evidence some old fictional TV show? Words fail me ..........
There is nothing scientifically consistent about anything to do with NDE's, they've been researched quite a few times and the results are inconclusive. Many people have "come back from the dead" and said there's nothing there. But of course according to you, they didn't have NDE's because their experience isn't the same as yours.
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I am specifically describing when these people see a light and walk towards the light. Perhaps other cases of people almost dying haven't had this. THIS specifically is what I mean as a NDE. You are so cranky and snarky it's obvious you're not happy in your life.