Is it normal that i think pornography degrades women

Porn stars have a significantly higher mortality rate than police officers and firefighters because they're either so hopeless they kill themselves or the drugs they use to numb the pain kill them.

Most porn incorporates themes of violence. Throat fucking is now a common fetish as are gangbangs, bukkake and double penetrations and other forms of violent control porn are now the norm.

Almost no pornography incorporates the peaceful joining of two human beings that we call traditional, normative sex.

Pornography has taught us that sex is about violence, control and humiliation and not loving love.

I'm a dude by the way.

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  • I don't think pornography is inherently degrading to women. It doesn't have to be.
    But in reality, a lot of it IS. Even mainstream porn, like you mentioned in the post.

    And it's not only the effect it has on the porn stars. It shapes the perception young people have of sex. There's a whole generation of kids whose first exposure to sex is through porn. And I doubt they are all savvy enough to realise that it's not necessarily an accurate representation of what sex is like.

    Sex doesn't have to be about love. But does mainstream porn really have to include the throatfucking, the "cumming" on faces etc etc?
    Of course it's fine between consensual adults! I just don't think it's very good sex education for young people.

    Call me a prude, but I think there's a big dark side to porn.

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    • Thanks for the reasonable comment.

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    • The 'industry' is 90 percent controlled by the organized crime lords who care only for money not about the lives they destroy.

      Don't buy porn people. Leech it for free, but don't buy it please. It only feeds the beast.

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  • I agree that porn has a negative effect on the people involved, especially young women. A lot of girls who get into the business come from troubled families and have issues from their childhood and teenage years. Then the experience of working in the porn industry takes advantage of their already vulnerable mental or psychological issues and it can lead to a sort of downward spiral. It's no wonder that tons of porn stars put up pictures of them doing meth, coke, pot, smoking, drinking, other drugs, and just having an unhealthy lifestyle both physically and mentally.

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    • The 'industry' is 90 percent controlled by the organized crime lords who care only for money not about the lives they destroy.

      Don't buy porn people. Leech it for free, but don't buy it please. It only feeds the beast.

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    • Yep

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  • The men make 1/10th of what the women do. Talk about degradation.

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    • Of course men make less, the industry doesn't care about anyone on a human level

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      • The 'industry' is 90 percent controlled by the organized crime lords who care only for money not about the lives they destroy.

        Don't buy porn people. Leech it for free, but don't buy it please. It only feeds the beast.

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    • That's probably because most consumers of porn are male, and they don't really care what the male actors look like in porn. They only care about watching women get fucked.

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  • The majority of claims in your post would require you to have watched a significant amount of porn to even be aware of. Either that, or you are just going off of unconfirmed things that you heard. Many of the acts you list as violent are not violent. Bukkake and double penetration do not involve violence. A gangbang is just sex with multiple partners, it does not have to be any more or less violent than sex with one partner.

    There is certainly porn that depicts violent acts, but to say it is the majority is a rather large exaggeration. It is also unfair to say that all of that violence is directed toward women. There is plenty of bondage and S&M porn depecting women committing violent acts against men. Let's also not forget that gay male porn is a huge part of the porn market, and that porn doesn't involve women at all.

    I also reject the idea that you can not find porn which depects normal love making. There is an abundant supply available. The amount of it is on the rise, because the internet has given rise to a huge increase in amateur porn from regular couples, and much of that depects normal, vanilla sex acts.

    There is a variety of porn available to fit all the demands of the market. I do not believe that just appearing in a porn is any more degrading to a woman than it is to a man.

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    • I use to watch porn about as much as any other red blooded guy, I admit that, but then I stopped when I realized how abusive the industry is. And although DP, gangbangs, throat fucking and bukkake are not inherently violently they almost always are contextually violent/humiliating/controlling. And I know that some porn is loving, mostly the amateur stuff, but that shit is in the minority. The vast majority of the industry is beyond vile.

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      • Humiliating and controlling are completely different from violent. To say that the majority of photography is violent is still completely wrong and I would challenge you to provide verifiable stats to back up your claim. To say that the majority of the industry is "vile" is not worth responding to because what would constitute vile is a completely subjective matter of opinion. In one person's opinion it could all be vile, in another's none of it might be.

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        • I classify it as vile because the industry strips its workers of self-respect, men and women alike. John Ham, Don Draper from Mad Men, said working in porn was the most soul crushing thing he ever did and I can see why.

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          • The 'industry' is 90 percent controlled by the organized crime lords who care only for money not about the lives they destroy.

            Don't buy porn people. Leech it for free, but don't buy it please. It only feeds the beast.

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          • I wasn't asking how or why you personally consider it vile, and honestly don't care because it is irrelevant. I was only saying that vile is subjective so it is a waste of time to debate what is and isn't vile.

            I also don't really care what John Hamm says. You could find hundreds of people from the industry that would say the same, as well as hundreds that would say the opposite. That is also true of many many industries which you might not find vile.

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            • By the way I once tried to justify my porn use, too, I hope you see the horrors that is the industry soon, as I did.

              I wouldn't support an African warlord by buying a blood diamond and I won't support a glorified pimp by supporting the porn industry.

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            • Morality isn't as subjective as you think it is, in my humble opinion, of course

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  • Take a look at the documentary. "Hot Girls Wanted" on Netflix. It's about an 18yo who gets into amateur porn and it ends up touching on most of what you talked about

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  • Another fucking tree hugging piece of worthless shit liberal. You know who and what degrades women? FUKING WOMEN, PERIOD.!! I don't see a fucking gun point at their heads when that huge summer sausage slides in and out of their mouths. Do you?

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  • Those fuckers make out like bandits. I love watching porn with a woman. The only thing in porn that bothers me is when a guy is getting blown and he has his hand on the back of her head forcing her to blow him. I sometimes feel she can't breathe. It bothers me thats fucked up. I wont watch porn if there being abusive to a woman. I know that does not make sense but you know what I mean. I think the men in porn could treat the women a lot better. Nothing wrong with being tender even in a porn. Then again I do not hear the women complaining and some of them like it. When I watch porn with my GF. There is no touching our selves or the other person until the porn is about half way over. Let that tension build. Then do everything that is done in the porn.

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  • Some of the best porn is amateur porn made by couples in their own bedrooms. As long as they're both willing, I don't see a problem. I'm sure there are many young girls who are vulnerable and are coaxed into doing movies that they might regret later. I'm sure it's a tough racket to get out of once you're in. Maybe the minimum age to perform in adult movies should be raised. An 18 year old is fresh out of high school and still not overly mature.

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  • It does degrade women.

    Some women do it to themselves in public too.

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  • Right on, man! I completely agree!
    :-)
    Yeah, porn is waste. Watching pornography is like opening up one's brain, and putting garbage in it!
    :-(

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    • Exactly, pornography turns the human mind into a glorified landfill. In fact I believe that pornography rewires the human brain so as to make us less empathetic, mentally dimmer and more deviant.

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  • I'm male, I'm a whore, and I think that pornography celebrates sex. BTW, I don't poison my mind with the violent stuff. There is naughty romantic porn out there if you look for it. Virgins are undesirable.

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    • The point is that the industry as a whole is fucked up beyond belief. Of course there is some 'good' porn out there, but fuck the industry that treats its workers like scum

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  • Yes and no, but remember the porn industry has the exact same rules and regulations as any other industry or business and that is to provide a safe working environment for its employees.

    The employees, being the actors, would spend hours going over things, rehearsing (give or take) and if there were to be any rough stuff, would have to be agreed upon by both actors.

    Even though it's porn, the actors still have rights and must consent to any kind of freaky shit they do.

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  • You might say that about so-called 'professional' porn, though I would question whether or not that would be the case with amateur porn. But yes, some of them do use drugs as a way of numbing not only the emotional pain, but the actual physical pain of some of the sex acts that they participate in (sometimes as a result of their economic circumstances), and some of them rack up killer medical bills.

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    • Its so sad when you think about it and I don't even consider myself a bleeding heart.

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  • ... But sex IS about violence, control and humiliation ! A lot of women get really turned on by these things

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    • SOME women do, but porn would make you think every women wants to be treated like a filthy wretch and that's the problem IMHO. Women are not a hivemind

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      • Hey, hey, careful throwing around offensive terms like "hive mind" we have feelings too you insensitive prick.

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        • Uh, sure...I'll keep that in mind

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          • Not as many people watch porn as watch regular TV. Do you think all of those people think a crime can be solved in 42 minutes... wait, never mind.

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  • Yeah, yeah, yeah, that old shtick AGAIN.
    Degradation into lots and lots of cash.

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    • open your mouth gypsy sailor and take an 8 inch cock down your throat why dont you

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      • Wow, such an interesting and erudite contribution. Thank you so much.
        I must admit though, you seem to be speaking from experience, like you enjoy sucking cock.

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        • Interesting indeed, sailor

          hey pal im not the one out there all alone at sea, who fantasizes and reminisces about cock and practices fellatio passionately using bananas whilst gazing at the sea

          that sounds pretty faggoty bruh

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          • You sound jealous, can't get any?

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            • sailor...my man...i can GET the poosay in fact ive had em in many flavors from diff races and let me tell u...pussay is pussay...

              but u my man out there alone in the sea aint much for u to do but jerk it

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    • You can't buy back your dignity

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      • I guess that's a matter of opinion. What makes you think those that are not prudes feel working in porn is a loss of dignity?
        Is sex a dirty word to you?

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        • No, sex is awesome, but lets face it - there is nothing dignified about starring in a porno

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          • Again, that's YOUR opinion. There's a whole industry with awards for the work they do and a hierarchy of talented individuals who produce and act in porn.
            Face it, you are just a prude.

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            • Um, of course its my opinion, who else's opinion would it be? And sure, I'm a prude for disliking what I consider to be a vile, degrading industry. Again sex is great, but you're fooling yourself if you think beating off in front of a computer screen is how its meant to be. Pornography degrades and humiliates all parties involved

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  • Male porn "stars" get paid less and are just as apt to commit suicide or get involved with drugs. You also seem unaware of the female dominatrix type of porn as well as gay porn. Would you like to explain how ball torture is degrading to women?

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  • The whole angle you're missing is that there are actually women who do those things without being porn stars or being paid.

    I know women that like those things you refer to as "violent control porn" in the circles I run in, a party without at least one occurrence of double penetration is considered dull. Maybe you should get out and see more of the world, it's an exciting place.

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