Lots of people are uninterested in the news, but lots of people are. They like to think of themselves as really informed. I know people like this. What I'm saying is the news only gives you the points they WANT you to hear, on issues they WANT you to argue about. Real police reform kinda took a back seat to "what things are racist?" Look at facebook politics, people are just sharing things other people say and calling it their opinion. No need for independent critical thinking, just pick an opinion you like! We have a whole bunch of establishment approved opinions ready to go, just click the Share button!
School is the same thing, it's not about educating anyone. The whole point of the US education system is to condition you to a 9 to 5 Monday through Friday work schedule and then put you in a bunch of debt so you have to go get a job.
It's definitely by design. Kids graduating college with no concept of independent thought is definitely by design.
It’s absolutely by design, and it’s one of the oldest tricks in the book. Did you know that the United States is the only country known to have ever had actual anti-literacy laws on the books? It was literally illegal in several states for a black person to learn how to read and write. White people literally went to jail for teaching black people how to read and write. I bet you can guess which states. Even in the rest of the country, black people were barred from school. Women were similarly discriminated against, legally until 1972 and in less obvious ways since.
It’s a pretty well known phenomenon that the dumber a person is, the smarter they think they are, and vice versa. A person could not watch a second of news and consider themselves much more informed than people they disagree with, simply on the basis that those people disagree with them. A guy I work with back in 2017 constantly ridiculed people who dared speak ill of Dear Leader’s wonderful tax cuts, claiming they hadn’t read the bill itself and were only reading the parts that the media told them to read and thus they didn’t know as much as he did and had no right to disagree with him. So one day I asked him how long it took him to read the entire tax bill. “Oh I didn’t read it all.” How does he know what it says? “I read parts of it that (insert conservative media member here) posted on Twitter and Facebook.” I really don’t know if the irony ever clicked with him...I doubt it. (Same guy hates Eminem and Green Day because of their political outspokenness and believes that “every” celebrity on both sides should keep their politics to themselves, and then two minutes later talks about how much he loves Kid Rock and Ted Nugent.)
Politicians definitely do manipulate the media to their advantage, but it’s generally all out in the open. Anytime a bad story about Trump is about to come out, he’ll say or do something ridiculous to draw attention away from it. “Sir, people are mad that you didn’t say anything to Putin about the bounty program.” “Gimme my phone, I’m going to tweet that we should delay the election LOL.”
Yeah the people who are big news fans tend to be on a certain side of the dunning kreuger bell curve.
Part of the problem I think is people are scared not to have an opinion. Politics is important, and people are afraid if they dont have anything to a political conversation that they're going to look ignorant. Luckily, there are tons of pre-packaged system-approved opinions you could have on literally any useless topic that they can keep people arguing about. Abortion and Gay Marriage are huge issues around election time, because they're issues that don't affect the elite at all but are extremely polarizing to certain parts of the population.
It always comes down to absolute A or B issues with zero possibility of gray area. Gay people either can get married or they can't, abortion is either legal or it's not, there's no third option. Makes it easy to just put each opposing argument on seperate news channels and let people regurgitate all the talking points to each other. It keeps people having the arguments that the system WANTS them to have so they don't start discussing things they don't want people thinking too hard about.
You nailed it. And this isn’t even just politics, I stopped listening to sports talk radio because one particular host one day was actually calling people cowards for not having an opinion or not making a prediction about something. A guy I work with was badgering me to give a firm opinion on Joe Biden’s selection of Kamala Harris just yesterday. I don’t care! I’m not the one making the decision, it doesn’t matter what I think of the choice.
Another problem is that media has decided they need to frame EVERYTHING as a debate. Everything is subjective, everything is worth arguing about. The vast majority of people in the US, in every political party, want stricter gun control laws. The vast majority of people in the US, in every political party, don’t want to take away everyone’s guns. Most people want the same thing, with perhaps slight differences on the margins about how to get there. Of course, the media would make it sound like everybody is either on one extreme end or the other and debate these strawman arguments than discuss why the government isn’t doing what everybody wants them to do. NRA money(be it in the form of campaign donations or advertising) is a hell of a drug.
You’ll also notice that the partisan channels love to bring people on to theoretically represent the other side, but they always make sure that person is either incredibly stupid or just has no idea how to adequately express their views, so that the hosts(and, by extension, the viewers) can feel superior. And on the rare occasion that doesn’t work, they just yell over them and cut them off and end the conversation. It’s especially bad on the radio, they’ll beg people to call in to take the other side “if you believe(whatever extremist view they want their listeners to think the other side believes) then call in and tell me why” as if anybody listening to their show would actually believe it, let alone be stupid enough to call in and talk to them about it. I’m convinced most of the callers on these shows are plants, family members of people who work on the show, pretending to be on the other side. It’s so easy to tell when you’re talking to somebody who listens to these shows because they always parrot the strawman arguments they believe exist on the other side.
And you can tell it’s all natural selection because the exact same thing happens on sports channels. All the highest rated shows are “debate” shows with loud, obnoxious, opinionated hosts that have no idea what they’re talking about but say everything with conviction and make people want to argue with them. For whatever reason, that’s what people want to see and hear today. All the government has to do is count their money.
It's basically everything in all media. The whole reason they changed the ending to the cartoon movie version of Animal Farm was the CIA didn't like how it was against all government and not just communism. Who biden's running with has as much affect on my life as whos on Bray Wyatts side in his next tag team match.
Making everything into an argument is easy because people like to be right. Every person I've ever met who's into politics is 100% right about everything all the time. Im pretty sure most of the idiots they let on those shows are plants. Just using this example to be funny cause I know this isn't the topic here but they had a show on TV a little while back about the moon landing being fake or not, and the fat dork they chose as the "conspiracy theorist" was completely useless on purpose. He never challenged any of the things the scientist guy was saying, and his whole function was basically to stand there like "Wow that stuff I found on youtube in my moms basement sure was silly"
That's how all these debate shows work. The host makes a strong argument while anyone calling in to challenge them is either completely ignorant of what they're talking about or has some kind of ridiculous radical strawman view that nobody really believes. Do you really think that people are talking the time to listen to this long ass talk show that disagrees with everything they believe in just for a shot to call in and argue with a stranger on the radio? Experience tells me people into that stuff tend to stick to the stuff that validates the side of the argument they've picked.
Even the alternative stuff is under pretty tight control. The only mainstream alternative egyptology person on TV is that ancient aliens guy, who basically just spouts off a bunch of what ifs to stupid things and now people who question anomalies in the timeline of civilization (We can't explain how people with no technology built megalithic structures, because they didn't) are on the same level as people who think idiotic things like the earth is hollow or that aliens stopped Hitler from winning WWII. Ancient history revisionist people I've met believe that the pyramids and things like that were already there when the people we credit with building them and were probably from an earlier ruined civilization. Nobody I've met will seriously argue that a UFO with a tractor beam came down and antigravitied all the blocks in place because egyptian pharoahs were friends with aliens.
They give you pre packaged ideologies and tell you to pick one. Thats why the only religion that's discouraged in America is shamanism. Psilocybin is probably one of the most powerful teaching tools in the world, the problem is the things you learn don't tend to make you blend better with society. Kinda makes it all look pretty stupid honestly. They don't want that.
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Lots of people are uninterested in the news, but lots of people are. They like to think of themselves as really informed. I know people like this. What I'm saying is the news only gives you the points they WANT you to hear, on issues they WANT you to argue about. Real police reform kinda took a back seat to "what things are racist?" Look at facebook politics, people are just sharing things other people say and calling it their opinion. No need for independent critical thinking, just pick an opinion you like! We have a whole bunch of establishment approved opinions ready to go, just click the Share button!
School is the same thing, it's not about educating anyone. The whole point of the US education system is to condition you to a 9 to 5 Monday through Friday work schedule and then put you in a bunch of debt so you have to go get a job.
It's definitely by design. Kids graduating college with no concept of independent thought is definitely by design.
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It’s absolutely by design, and it’s one of the oldest tricks in the book. Did you know that the United States is the only country known to have ever had actual anti-literacy laws on the books? It was literally illegal in several states for a black person to learn how to read and write. White people literally went to jail for teaching black people how to read and write. I bet you can guess which states. Even in the rest of the country, black people were barred from school. Women were similarly discriminated against, legally until 1972 and in less obvious ways since.
It’s a pretty well known phenomenon that the dumber a person is, the smarter they think they are, and vice versa. A person could not watch a second of news and consider themselves much more informed than people they disagree with, simply on the basis that those people disagree with them. A guy I work with back in 2017 constantly ridiculed people who dared speak ill of Dear Leader’s wonderful tax cuts, claiming they hadn’t read the bill itself and were only reading the parts that the media told them to read and thus they didn’t know as much as he did and had no right to disagree with him. So one day I asked him how long it took him to read the entire tax bill. “Oh I didn’t read it all.” How does he know what it says? “I read parts of it that (insert conservative media member here) posted on Twitter and Facebook.” I really don’t know if the irony ever clicked with him...I doubt it. (Same guy hates Eminem and Green Day because of their political outspokenness and believes that “every” celebrity on both sides should keep their politics to themselves, and then two minutes later talks about how much he loves Kid Rock and Ted Nugent.)
Politicians definitely do manipulate the media to their advantage, but it’s generally all out in the open. Anytime a bad story about Trump is about to come out, he’ll say or do something ridiculous to draw attention away from it. “Sir, people are mad that you didn’t say anything to Putin about the bounty program.” “Gimme my phone, I’m going to tweet that we should delay the election LOL.”
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Yeah the people who are big news fans tend to be on a certain side of the dunning kreuger bell curve.
Part of the problem I think is people are scared not to have an opinion. Politics is important, and people are afraid if they dont have anything to a political conversation that they're going to look ignorant. Luckily, there are tons of pre-packaged system-approved opinions you could have on literally any useless topic that they can keep people arguing about. Abortion and Gay Marriage are huge issues around election time, because they're issues that don't affect the elite at all but are extremely polarizing to certain parts of the population.
It always comes down to absolute A or B issues with zero possibility of gray area. Gay people either can get married or they can't, abortion is either legal or it's not, there's no third option. Makes it easy to just put each opposing argument on seperate news channels and let people regurgitate all the talking points to each other. It keeps people having the arguments that the system WANTS them to have so they don't start discussing things they don't want people thinking too hard about.
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You nailed it. And this isn’t even just politics, I stopped listening to sports talk radio because one particular host one day was actually calling people cowards for not having an opinion or not making a prediction about something. A guy I work with was badgering me to give a firm opinion on Joe Biden’s selection of Kamala Harris just yesterday. I don’t care! I’m not the one making the decision, it doesn’t matter what I think of the choice.
Another problem is that media has decided they need to frame EVERYTHING as a debate. Everything is subjective, everything is worth arguing about. The vast majority of people in the US, in every political party, want stricter gun control laws. The vast majority of people in the US, in every political party, don’t want to take away everyone’s guns. Most people want the same thing, with perhaps slight differences on the margins about how to get there. Of course, the media would make it sound like everybody is either on one extreme end or the other and debate these strawman arguments than discuss why the government isn’t doing what everybody wants them to do. NRA money(be it in the form of campaign donations or advertising) is a hell of a drug.
You’ll also notice that the partisan channels love to bring people on to theoretically represent the other side, but they always make sure that person is either incredibly stupid or just has no idea how to adequately express their views, so that the hosts(and, by extension, the viewers) can feel superior. And on the rare occasion that doesn’t work, they just yell over them and cut them off and end the conversation. It’s especially bad on the radio, they’ll beg people to call in to take the other side “if you believe(whatever extremist view they want their listeners to think the other side believes) then call in and tell me why” as if anybody listening to their show would actually believe it, let alone be stupid enough to call in and talk to them about it. I’m convinced most of the callers on these shows are plants, family members of people who work on the show, pretending to be on the other side. It’s so easy to tell when you’re talking to somebody who listens to these shows because they always parrot the strawman arguments they believe exist on the other side.
And you can tell it’s all natural selection because the exact same thing happens on sports channels. All the highest rated shows are “debate” shows with loud, obnoxious, opinionated hosts that have no idea what they’re talking about but say everything with conviction and make people want to argue with them. For whatever reason, that’s what people want to see and hear today. All the government has to do is count their money.
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It's basically everything in all media. The whole reason they changed the ending to the cartoon movie version of Animal Farm was the CIA didn't like how it was against all government and not just communism. Who biden's running with has as much affect on my life as whos on Bray Wyatts side in his next tag team match.
Making everything into an argument is easy because people like to be right. Every person I've ever met who's into politics is 100% right about everything all the time. Im pretty sure most of the idiots they let on those shows are plants. Just using this example to be funny cause I know this isn't the topic here but they had a show on TV a little while back about the moon landing being fake or not, and the fat dork they chose as the "conspiracy theorist" was completely useless on purpose. He never challenged any of the things the scientist guy was saying, and his whole function was basically to stand there like "Wow that stuff I found on youtube in my moms basement sure was silly"
That's how all these debate shows work. The host makes a strong argument while anyone calling in to challenge them is either completely ignorant of what they're talking about or has some kind of ridiculous radical strawman view that nobody really believes. Do you really think that people are talking the time to listen to this long ass talk show that disagrees with everything they believe in just for a shot to call in and argue with a stranger on the radio? Experience tells me people into that stuff tend to stick to the stuff that validates the side of the argument they've picked.
Even the alternative stuff is under pretty tight control. The only mainstream alternative egyptology person on TV is that ancient aliens guy, who basically just spouts off a bunch of what ifs to stupid things and now people who question anomalies in the timeline of civilization (We can't explain how people with no technology built megalithic structures, because they didn't) are on the same level as people who think idiotic things like the earth is hollow or that aliens stopped Hitler from winning WWII. Ancient history revisionist people I've met believe that the pyramids and things like that were already there when the people we credit with building them and were probably from an earlier ruined civilization. Nobody I've met will seriously argue that a UFO with a tractor beam came down and antigravitied all the blocks in place because egyptian pharoahs were friends with aliens.
They give you pre packaged ideologies and tell you to pick one. Thats why the only religion that's discouraged in America is shamanism. Psilocybin is probably one of the most powerful teaching tools in the world, the problem is the things you learn don't tend to make you blend better with society. Kinda makes it all look pretty stupid honestly. They don't want that.