Is it normal that having children of my own are not in my equation of success

I love how my life is going so far. I own my own home and two cars. I have a college degree and full-time employment. Why is it when I share these successes with women that they don't like the fact I am childless and have no plans on doing so? I don't hate kids, in fact, I teach kids Jujitsu and absolutely love working with them. I don't believe having kids is a so called "Trump card."

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  • RoseIsabella

    I dunno, that's on them. Not everyone wants kids. To be completely honest the whole birthing process has always looked way too painful for me. I literally saw my mom come out of the hospital in a wheelchair when I was three years old, and said to myself, "that having babies stuff looks dangerous".

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    • Blipblorpbing

      Exactly what I think. Having a child looks terrible.

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    • SwickDinging

      It's much less dangerous than it used to be, but it's still not safe. Humans aren't very good at giving birth when compared to other mammals.

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      • RoseIsabella

        I've never had much of a maternal instinct to tell you the truth, and I've never been with anyone who loved me nearly enough to make it worth the pain, and sacrifice. The flip side is that I will probably die alone, but I don't think I could ever raise a child alone, because I've been divorced a couple of times, and I don't think the average guy today could work as hard to support a family as my dad did.

        There's more to this stuff, but I don't feel like sharing it with everyone, and their dog, yanno?

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        • SwickDinging

          Yeah, of course. Just like there's so much to say about me taking the plunge and having kids. We all have our reasons. Just because we're women doesn't mean we have to justify our life choices to every fucker in the world, despite what people seem to think.

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          • RoseIsabella

            Yes!

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  • bbrown95

    Very normal.

    I have noticed this as well. I'm also a childfree woman as well as one who is single by choice with no intentions to date, enter a relationship, or eventually marry, and people react strangely to my choices, too.

    My only guess to why people react so negatively is:
    1) They're very closed minded and unable to imagine why anyone would want to live their lives any differently than they do.
    2) They aren't happy with their own choices and therefore want to invalidate others'.
    3) They desperately want validation for their own choices (perhaps they feel they have to do these things because of societal pressure and don't really want to) and don't like the fact that others may not feel pressured (or care about the pressure) and can still be happy without doing those things.

    What I really hate, though, is when people act as if being single and childless is a sign of unhappiness or a lack of success in life, and that relationship status and having children is a guarantee to make people happy (which is extremely unhealthy and results in toxic relationships as well as dysfunctional families). Just because a lifestyle choice is not the norm does not mean there's anything wrong with it or that one cannot be happy or successful with it.

    Honestly, 99.9% of the time, when people are negatively judging your life when you're doing nothing to hurt anyone, they're doing it because they're unhappy and/or insecure.

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    • YE

      True to the core. I hate the mob's mindset.

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      • bbrown95

        Me too!

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    • SwickDinging

      I agree, I see this all the time in the parent/child free debate. It's so fucking tedious, like monkeys throwing shit at each other back and forth for hours on end. Some people want to have kids. Some don't. Some people want to get married. Some don't. Some people want to wear a hat. Some don't. It's very fucking simple and I'm amazed that so many adults can't seem to grasp this concept of people wanting different things out of life.

      As long as someone isn't causing any harm it's nobody else's business what they do. I'm amazed that people even have the time and energy to judge other people so much. It makes it seem like they are very unhappy and unfulfilled, and must tear others down in some way to make themselves feel better.

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      • RoseIsabella

        I enjoy wearing hats! 🤠👍🏻

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      • bbrown95

        Exactly! I think that is exactly their reasoning for it, to be honest.

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  • leggs91200

    Eventually when you decide to stop interacting with people that you do not have to, only then will they stop trying to tell you how to live.

    Now about having kids - Having kids sucks.

    It is funny though when new parents say "Kids grow up so fast" even though their own kids is only months old.

    It is like, "You have not even suffered the terrible two's, haven't had to fight the school system, try to figure out how to handle it when the little brat starts pissing off other kids in the neighborhood, or breaks things, etc."

    Of course as a parent you work your ass off, deal with BS, don't get to live a life, etc. Meanwhile, your own family is telling you what a rotten negligent parent you are.

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  • rocketdave

    I've never had kids of my own, can't.
    Been married three times and a main cause of the break ups were the children they had previously had.

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  • Cuntsiclestick

    You're just fine Op. A lot of people who have kids or want kids just refuse to understand that not everyone's life works the way theirs does. Just ignore them.

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    • RoseIsabella

      It's really rude, and disrespectful the way some people project their shit on others. I remember once I was talking to this older woman about all of her personal issues with life, career, finances, and started in on me about how I need to get my shit together so I could date, and meet someone before it's too late. I remember telling her, "what makes you think I'm in a hurry to meet anyone", and then she was kind enough to admit that she was projecting her stuff onto me.

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      • Cuntsiclestick

        I'm kind of surprised. Most people who argue with me about my decision to not have kids usually never own up to being insecure. They just sit on their holier than thou ass and feel sorry for anyone who's childless. It's good she backed off of you.

        People have told me that men don't gossip, but there were guys that talked behind my back telling lies. They'd say shit like my boyfriend is gay, I'm infertile, my boyfriend is sterile, etc. I really don't get how the fact that my boyfriend and I don't want kids hurt them so much for them to start talking crap. XD

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        • RoseIsabella

          I think she was more insightful than the average person, because she was in a twelve Step program.

          The average person who tells others how they should feel kinda makes my skin crawl. I think such a person ought to mind their own business, and if someone like you, or me were unhappy about not having kids then those sort of people would be exactly the type who don't need to know about it. I feel like those sort of people usually tend to be very peer oriented, shame driven, manipulative, gossipy and just generally not very nice people.

          Maybe not everyone who projects their stuff onto others is like that, but I tend to feel like the majority of them are really toxic. I feel they like to focus on what they think is wrong with other people so they don't have to look at, and work on themselves.

          Maybe these weirdos are jealous, of you, and your boyfriend, because the two of you have lives that are relatively uncomplicated compared to their's, or perhaps they wish they had the freedom from responsibility that you have, and they get resentful when things get tough in their lives?

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          • Cuntsiclestick

            Yeah, I agree that most of them can be toxic.

            I'm convinced they're jealous. Not only are they dealing with their own bills, they're also dealing with having to spend money on food, clothes, doctor visits for their kids, etc. They see my boyfriend and I not doing any of these things and it stirs anger in them. They wish they were in our place. XD

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  • SwickDinging

    Having kids is fucking hard work. It was the right choice for me because it's something I really wanted, and I find it very rewarding. For God's sake don't even think of doing it unless you really want it. Fuck what other people think, just do what feels right for you.

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  • Boojum

    I suspect that the reaction of some women could be due to them seeing your determination to remain childless as selfish. I don't know how much is due to an innate biological urge and how much is due to social pressure to conform to the norm and have children, but many women think of having kids as something they'll inevitably do, sooner or later.

    But there are women who, for one reason or another, are utterly certain that they never want to have a child. I guess you've never met one, but they are out there.

    I adore my daughter and she's a crucial part of my life. She wasn't planned, but I was thrilled when I learned my then-girlfriend was pregnant and I haven't regretted being a father for a moment. But I'm also convinced that the vast majority of people have not the faintest clue about what being a parent actually involves until they're holding their infant in their arms. It changes your entire world, it's nothing at all like any other sort of relationship you've ever had, and any sane, rational person should find the very idea of being totally responsible for the care and upbringing of another human being daunting.

    Since becoming a parent, I've come to believe that most parents conceal what the role is really like when talking to non-parents. There are many parents who regret having children, but this attitude isn't socially acceptable, and most people are sensible enough to understand that no child wants to hear from their parents that they're unwanted. A cynic might say that discontented parents hide the reality from non-parents because there's some comfort in shared misery, but I think it's mainly about people being reluctant to admit they made a mistake on such a huge decision that has life-long consequences.

    If you don't want to be a father, that's a reasonable decision, and nobody who isn't certain that they want to have a child should ever have one. Having a kid because it's the 'normal' thing to do is stupid. Having a child because of pressures from parents, peer-competition, what religious leaders say, or because of how Hollywood and the advertising industry depicts kids is even dumber.

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    • SmokeEverything

      Ive always thought this as a happily childless person. Lots of people I know who had kids young had some kind of idealized idea of what it was going to be like. Nowadays everybody has social media stuff and sharing pictures of kids is popular, but the idea that having kids is actually kind of hard unrewarding and miserable isn't. Posting a picture of your kid with a caption like "Man this was really a mistake, I miss having a life" is gonna get you a lot of negative attention, "OMG I LOVE BEING A MOM/DAD" is going to get positive responses.

      People get this idea that hard consequences of choices we make, like having kids or working 80 hours a week, are things we have to do and people who don't are lazy and selfish. People with hard lives resent people with seemingly easy lives. So people with kids want others to have kids because they feel like everyone should suffer like they do.

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      • RoseIsabella

        You are so on point! I really hate when someone who's married with kids tells a happily single friend, "when are you going to settle down, and get your life together".

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        • SmokeEverything

          "Durr, but what if you change your mind later when youre old and stuff"

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          • RoseIsabella

            If you change your mind you change your mind. No big deal, but too many people don't know how how to mind their own business.

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            • SmokeEverything

              Im pretty sure Im never gonna wish I had a pooping baby so Im good.

              Its just something older people tell me when Im still not married and why dont I try to find somebody to marry and have a kid with.

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      • SwickDinging

        I disagree. I think that miserable people who don't have children like to think that everyone who has kids is secretly miserable, and miserable people who do have children like to think that everyone who doesn't have kids is secretly miserable. I've heard this bollocks on both sides of the fence. Misery is desperate to tear others down.

        Meanwhile the rest of the normal, non miserable population, both with and without children, are out there just living their lives feeling pretty happy with their choices and not really caring much what everyone else is doing. Most people don't give a fuck whether or not other people have children, in the same way that they don't give a fuck what car you drive or where you went on holiday last year. Nobody is really that interested.

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        • SmokeEverything

          Miserable people in general want everyone else to be miserable. I just mean specifically the workaholic types who live life exactly how they were told to, and then get on some moral high ground because they aren't happy and subscribe to the toxic notion that adult life is supposed to be that way, miserable and hard. Ive met plenty of people like this, and usually having kids that aren't exactly pleasant goes into the equation.

          If you wanna have kids and work all the time thats your choice. But I go to the pub by my house and have a couple of these old guys telling me I don't live life right because I don't work 9 to 5 and im not in a real committed relationship and don't have kids and I hang out at the bar all the time, etc. Like Im doing something to offend them. And its like dude, I hear you talk about your life and I feel like youd switch spots with me if you could.

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          • SwickDinging

            I think there's something else going on here. As usual, it comes down to money.

            I've been middle class since my late 20s and as such, most of my friends are middle class too. It can cause an echo chamber effect.

            I have no mortgage and my husband and I both are able to earn a higher than average salary in a non physical job, so we don't really worry about the future and we have a lot of choices. I can be a stay at home mum for as long as like without any financial concerns and if I decide tomorrow that I'm sick of it I can go back to work without worrying about how I will afford nursery or childminders. I live in a nice area, I can send my kids to a good school, we can go on holiday if we get bored, I can hire a cleaner if I'm struggling to cope at home. If my kids need medical stuff, tutoring, music lessons etc they can have it right then and there. When my kids want something the conversation is about whether or not they ought to have it, rather than how the fuck are we going to afford this.

            I grew up poor and have been broke as hell and I honestly can't imagine having kids when I was in that situation. It must be tough. I would probably still choose to do it, but I don't doubt for one second that they have it tougher than me. I'm prepared to admit that I've probably been doing the parenting thing on easy mode. And I've been middle class for long enough that everyone I know now who has kids is middle class too. So they think like me.

            So broke people with kids are struggling, telling each other how tough it all is, and middle class people with kids are having a relatively easy time of it, and are telling each other how great it is having kids. They will probably never really understand each other.

            People don't like to talk about this in real life because if you are poor with kids you have to pretend it doesn't matter, and if you are rich with kids you have an ego to protect and don't want everyone to think you have it easy. But it's so fucking true.

            Sorry for my multiple rants, I'll leave you to it now.

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            • SmokeEverything

              What you're talking is a certain way to go and I wish you lots of luck. I always say I don't like kids much but I mean if im going to be honest being that only old guy from Logans Run would be pretty lonely. And I love the shit outta feral cats being in my living space. If you don't have any people to talk to you start to bring in too many unfriendly animals.

              Im sure there are lots of happy people with kids and even tho I say a lot of sarcastic crap on here I love people.

              Ive known some people for a long time that kind of had kids and relationship drama to replace having no personality and now act like everyone should do what they did, or like you always run into random people who think because they have kids anything the clan of kiddos does is acceptable on the bus. Im not like population control or anything just discourage sucky people from having sucky kids because sucky people fucking suck.

              My experience working a lot of random handyman jobs and riding lots of public transit is that people who work a lot of overtime tend to not like people who don't. People in general who invest a lot of effort into things they dont think are rewarding want to think that's how life just is, and anyone who doesn't do the same things just isn't cooperating. A popular TV programming trope is the older guy who just never settled down and just needs to grow the fucking hell up.

              Im just rambling now too. I just don't see how getting somebody pregnant is supposed to be this all consuming goal of life.

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      • Boojum

        Yeah, I didn't mention the impact of social media, but of course you are right.

        It used to be that parents just had to stick on a smile and pretend everything was wonderful at home when talking to anyone other than their closest friends, but these days so many people feel pressured to present a shiny, golden image of perfect children and perfect parents doing perfectly wonderful things together all the time. I suppose there will be a few families where that's more or less true, but most of us are just muddling along, doing the best we can from moment to moment, hoping nothing too awful occurs in the next 24 hours, and really hoping that our kids don't grow up to hate us because we weren't perfect parents.

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        • SmokeEverything

          Yeah thats why I don't really do the social media thing much. It's a bunch of narcisists who follow celebrity gossip way too much trying to create some public version of themselves as if anyone actually cares. New parents have no lives so the photos turn to "LOOK AT MY BABY. LOVE BEING A PARENT" because they have nothing else going on but still feel the need to provide information about how awesome their lives are.

          I turned 31 last year and a 19 year old girl I know asked if I feel like im missing out on anything not being married or having kids. I thought it was really funny.

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    • I want to say that you decided to be a father, that is your business and your decision. I respect your decision to become a parent, you don't seem to be a person who talks down to people who are child free and decide to do so. Thank you for your explanation and respectful opinion.

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  • Mammal-lover

    Kids are overrated. Ive known so many nroke single moms. One job one of them got a pike 550$ check and she was ecstatic. She litterky told me that was the biggest check she's ever gotten. This is for 2 weeks work. Its always the moms who are most shocked when they find out how muvh I make. That alone is enough to put me off kids.

    Yet so many women can only think about getting kids like its the biggest thing they'll ever accomplish. Like yea no go ahead flush the life you were given right down the drain. Its freaking nuts.

    Honestly i won't even date a guy who has kids unless they are at least 14 or older. Liking older guys tends to make that difficult haha.

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    • RoseIsabella

      What kinda work do you do?

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      • Mammal-lover

        I paint windows in a warehouse and process appearal freight at a store. The warehouse pays 17.60 an hour. Truing to get transfered to shipping wich pays 19.50 most jobs here pay 9-11 an hour. Basically I make double what my coworkers make after tax and all that.

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    • SkullsNRoses

      At first I thought you meant the guy had to be 14 or older and was very concerned lol.

      I see why you picked that age, if they haven’t started pulling away from their parents a bit by then they never will.

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      • Mammal-lover

        Oh God no haha grossss. But yea exactly. 14 they start maturing and becoming self reliant and distant. Zi basically easily ignored

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  • my_life_my_way

    Kids are disgusting, messy little gremlins that shit everywhere and ruin your life. Without exception, every parent I’ve ever met resents having children. Good for you for not falling into that trap.

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    • leggs91200

      And that is ONLY the very beginning of why it sucks to have kids.

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    • SmokeEverything

      Amen haha. The facade of not resenting having children must be really hard to hold up

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      • SkullsNRoses

        My mum told me she regretted having children and that we “fucked up [her] life” multiple times. That’s from a financially stable, able-bodied, married woman who had kids in her 30s. Some people are shocked by that but I actually kind of appreciate the honesty, the idea of parenthood is far too sugar coated.

        If I ever hear a whisper of compliant about having no grandchildren though I’m throwing all those quotes back at her.

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  • raisinbran

    I want kids so that I can be an entitled prick who thinks he's god and his child is jesus.

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    • SmokeEverything

      WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE ENTIRE WORLD WONT PAD ITS CORNERS FOR ME? I HAVE A CHILD

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      • leggs91200

        So do a lot of other Karens out there.

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  • Bluishorange

    Depends on the game.

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  • LloydAsher

    Its not but in most polls of success people vote children as their greatest achievement.

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    • leggs91200

      People just say that because they are suppose to.
      Either that or they haven't done anything in life. Not like getting pregnant takes any effort.

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      • LloydAsher

        No of course not. But passing your values to your children so they can live on another generation is an achievement. Plus what is better than having children in the grand scheme of things? Sure if you are a noble prize winner that's an achievement but for the average joe raising your kids is a very important thing. Since you probably arent going to do anything that shakes the world to its core you will just be another nobody that dies since we all die why not pass on your genetics and values to the next generation.

        People are actually genuine about kids being the most important part of their lives to the point where most will willingly give up their lives for them. Not because "society told me too" but because of genuine affection.

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    only 2 cars?

    amateur

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    • YE

      Hahaha! So you own a fleet or private jet?

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      • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

        if it flies floats or fucks rent it

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