Oh shit duz- we've had this convo like a million..or 3...times, and I've told you before that I agree with you to an extent.
Violence is not ok. It is not alright for women to physically abuse men, and it is not ok that they happen to commonly get a free pass for it. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to defend themselves regardless of gender.
Having said that, being vastly physically superior to someone is a thing. If you are attacked by someone who happens to be obviously physically weaker than you, you have a few choices other than a deathly throat punch. What about restraining someone, or walking away? (Extreme example, I know) but what would you do if a 7 year old child bit you on the leg- would you deliver a black eye?
Your problem is that you keep thinking about this situation with regards to the paradigm of men vs. women's rights...take a step back and look at it for what it is.
Why punch someone when you're stronger than they are? Why bother when you could walk away or restrain them? It's not about women vs men, it's about 175lbs vs 120 lbs. it's a sucker punch and a cheap shot, end of story.
You should never, ever, ever put up with physical abuse, ever. If a woman punches you, she is wrong. Yes, you do have the right to punch her back, but are you ok with doing that? Do you HONESTLY think that it's acceptable? In my opinion, punching back should be a last resort, and if you do so, it should merely be done to protect yourself.
Yeah but you know my stance on it and have the impression I'm just trying to find any excuse to hit women or anyone. If that was intended as a joke then sorry for misinterpreting you.
I'm not saying that a woman slaps you that you go all Rocky on her or anyone weaker than you but I believe it's extremely acceptable to use the same level of force she displayed against her. A slap for a slap, a punch for a punch, if the same verbosity if not slightly harder. I'm sure you are aware that you can hit people without using full force or even half your strength, especially if you have siblings or something and roughhoused a bit with them growing up.
So I think it needs to be understood that I'm not saying that being slapped by a woman or even a man is enough to use deadly force, and if you're unable to ensure you can dish out an equivilent amount of force as your assualter and to not go overboard with it, then yeah, walk away. I can see that.
About the seven year old, thats à false equivilency and I know you're smart enough to know that. A seven year old is still a child, a woman is an adult who is supposed to be mature and know how to conduct themselves within society. That said, it's not uncommon for a child to get not only restrained but also slapped, on the rear but still slapped, if they hit a parent, anotherperson, or even do something less bad as hitting another person. That's something I can't shake off when it comes to this subject, we will do more to children for less than we would a woman who is violent.
It is a men and women issue though. We can't pretend it isn't. That said, I've taken a step back from all that stuff lately and I still believe what I've expressed.
Second part coming. Phone might die soon so just send this incase. Don't respond until second part or it'll all get confusing. Haha
: D well, shitduz, I wanna just say that since the last time we squabbled, you're argument style has improved so much that it's impressive. I know it probably sounds condescending and rude to say that, but I just wanted to let you know that you've made some really good points, and I do agree with them for the most part.
Btw, my initial comment was a joke.
I suppose our disagreement boils down to the same fundamental point of contention that we had during the last round.
it's just a matter of opinion. It's arguable that if a man is physically assaulted he does have the right to return the favor with equal force. I can see how it's justifiable, and it is, but I still find it wrong. It probably all boils down to a personal and subjective moral opinion, I just think that physically retaliating against someone that you could easily restrain instead is wrong, and it is merely my opinion. at the end of the day, I wouldn't find that behaviour to be personally acceptable or justifiable. I suppose I am dealing from a very personal standpoint, and not addressing the broader issue; I've made the assumption that others think like I do. I just don't see how more violence is a solution to violence, regardless of gender issues.
Also, you are right, using a child as an example was a shitty way to make a point. Children are not comparable to adults...I was just trying to come up with an extreme example of "unmatched" opponents, but you're right- crappy example.
I'm kinda impressed with the argument you've made.
Heey, sorry for late response. Use phone for this for the time being and been swamped at work lately.
Nah, it's fine. It's intended as a compliment so I'm taking it that way. Haha.
I can see your point and it's cool that you can admit it's more of a personal belief/issue for you all while being able to also see my side, even without fully agreeing. Like I said to derpy, I'm not trying to say you have to full on agree personally, I just hope that it's not something you enforce on others, if that makes sense?
Yes, strength is a factor but it's not the only factor. It's about the princible, setting an example that it's not acceptable to abuse you. I'm not Saying to use all your strength I'm saying use equivilent strength, strength that would hurt but not hurt so much that it leaves real damage. A slap for a slap and so on.
A 175lbs vs 120lbs is unfair but would you not also agree that a 175lbs without any ability to use that 175lbs against a 120 lbs person who can use force is far more unfair and far more of an abuse of power? I know you see what I mean, as you said at the start, but I think you're not seeing the point of setting a president, a warning hat if you aim to hurt me then you will be hurt type of thing.
Do i think it's acceptable? Yeah I think it is to hit someone with the same force as they hit you if walking away did not work any previous amount of times.
Im not saying you have to see it as acceptable yourself. What you're comfortable with doing is your choice and I'm not saying you have to do what I'm saying, I'm just saying that you should understand that it's not fair to say that a man who has tried walking away in the past cannot give equivilent harm to a woman as she gave to a man.
Why is the woman who is vastly weaker and more fragile doing the punching in the first place? Why are some women okay with doing that? Why are they not rational enough to realize that behavior is incorrect and they shouldn't do it?
Why are YOU not asking these same questions?
Why isn't this a relevant part of the "equality" discussion overall? Equal treatment is equal treatment.
Work on your reading comprehension, you fucktard. The whole first half of my comment addresses the fact that I find violence against men wrong. Of course, in your haste to disagree with everything I say, you missed that part.
Try actually reading the comment before you throw fistfuls of your own monkey poop.
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Oh shit duz- we've had this convo like a million..or 3...times, and I've told you before that I agree with you to an extent.
Violence is not ok. It is not alright for women to physically abuse men, and it is not ok that they happen to commonly get a free pass for it. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to defend themselves regardless of gender.
Having said that, being vastly physically superior to someone is a thing. If you are attacked by someone who happens to be obviously physically weaker than you, you have a few choices other than a deathly throat punch. What about restraining someone, or walking away? (Extreme example, I know) but what would you do if a 7 year old child bit you on the leg- would you deliver a black eye?
Your problem is that you keep thinking about this situation with regards to the paradigm of men vs. women's rights...take a step back and look at it for what it is.
Why punch someone when you're stronger than they are? Why bother when you could walk away or restrain them? It's not about women vs men, it's about 175lbs vs 120 lbs. it's a sucker punch and a cheap shot, end of story.
You should never, ever, ever put up with physical abuse, ever. If a woman punches you, she is wrong. Yes, you do have the right to punch her back, but are you ok with doing that? Do you HONESTLY think that it's acceptable? In my opinion, punching back should be a last resort, and if you do so, it should merely be done to protect yourself.
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Yeah but you know my stance on it and have the impression I'm just trying to find any excuse to hit women or anyone. If that was intended as a joke then sorry for misinterpreting you.
I'm not saying that a woman slaps you that you go all Rocky on her or anyone weaker than you but I believe it's extremely acceptable to use the same level of force she displayed against her. A slap for a slap, a punch for a punch, if the same verbosity if not slightly harder. I'm sure you are aware that you can hit people without using full force or even half your strength, especially if you have siblings or something and roughhoused a bit with them growing up.
So I think it needs to be understood that I'm not saying that being slapped by a woman or even a man is enough to use deadly force, and if you're unable to ensure you can dish out an equivilent amount of force as your assualter and to not go overboard with it, then yeah, walk away. I can see that.
About the seven year old, thats à false equivilency and I know you're smart enough to know that. A seven year old is still a child, a woman is an adult who is supposed to be mature and know how to conduct themselves within society. That said, it's not uncommon for a child to get not only restrained but also slapped, on the rear but still slapped, if they hit a parent, anotherperson, or even do something less bad as hitting another person. That's something I can't shake off when it comes to this subject, we will do more to children for less than we would a woman who is violent.
It is a men and women issue though. We can't pretend it isn't. That said, I've taken a step back from all that stuff lately and I still believe what I've expressed.
Second part coming. Phone might die soon so just send this incase. Don't respond until second part or it'll all get confusing. Haha
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: D well, shitduz, I wanna just say that since the last time we squabbled, you're argument style has improved so much that it's impressive. I know it probably sounds condescending and rude to say that, but I just wanted to let you know that you've made some really good points, and I do agree with them for the most part.
Btw, my initial comment was a joke.
I suppose our disagreement boils down to the same fundamental point of contention that we had during the last round.
it's just a matter of opinion. It's arguable that if a man is physically assaulted he does have the right to return the favor with equal force. I can see how it's justifiable, and it is, but I still find it wrong. It probably all boils down to a personal and subjective moral opinion, I just think that physically retaliating against someone that you could easily restrain instead is wrong, and it is merely my opinion. at the end of the day, I wouldn't find that behaviour to be personally acceptable or justifiable. I suppose I am dealing from a very personal standpoint, and not addressing the broader issue; I've made the assumption that others think like I do. I just don't see how more violence is a solution to violence, regardless of gender issues.
Also, you are right, using a child as an example was a shitty way to make a point. Children are not comparable to adults...I was just trying to come up with an extreme example of "unmatched" opponents, but you're right- crappy example.
I'm kinda impressed with the argument you've made.
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Heey, sorry for late response. Use phone for this for the time being and been swamped at work lately.
Nah, it's fine. It's intended as a compliment so I'm taking it that way. Haha.
I can see your point and it's cool that you can admit it's more of a personal belief/issue for you all while being able to also see my side, even without fully agreeing. Like I said to derpy, I'm not trying to say you have to full on agree personally, I just hope that it's not something you enforce on others, if that makes sense?
I've impressed you, so imma take a bow. :D
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Yes, strength is a factor but it's not the only factor. It's about the princible, setting an example that it's not acceptable to abuse you. I'm not Saying to use all your strength I'm saying use equivilent strength, strength that would hurt but not hurt so much that it leaves real damage. A slap for a slap and so on.
A 175lbs vs 120lbs is unfair but would you not also agree that a 175lbs without any ability to use that 175lbs against a 120 lbs person who can use force is far more unfair and far more of an abuse of power? I know you see what I mean, as you said at the start, but I think you're not seeing the point of setting a president, a warning hat if you aim to hurt me then you will be hurt type of thing.
Do i think it's acceptable? Yeah I think it is to hit someone with the same force as they hit you if walking away did not work any previous amount of times.
Im not saying you have to see it as acceptable yourself. What you're comfortable with doing is your choice and I'm not saying you have to do what I'm saying, I'm just saying that you should understand that it's not fair to say that a man who has tried walking away in the past cannot give equivilent harm to a woman as she gave to a man.
Why is the woman who is vastly weaker and more fragile doing the punching in the first place? Why are some women okay with doing that? Why are they not rational enough to realize that behavior is incorrect and they shouldn't do it?
Why are YOU not asking these same questions?
Why isn't this a relevant part of the "equality" discussion overall? Equal treatment is equal treatment.
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Work on your reading comprehension, you fucktard. The whole first half of my comment addresses the fact that I find violence against men wrong. Of course, in your haste to disagree with everything I say, you missed that part.
Try actually reading the comment before you throw fistfuls of your own monkey poop.
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Again, why weren't you asking those same questions? God, you are so edgy and masculine, it's so cool.
How funny it is that yet again you flip flopped your opinion on an issue. That never happened before.
"A man is justified in hitting a woman back if she hits him, but he still shouldn't do it"
You should run for public office, you'd make a bang up politician with your flip flopping opinions. We can't do any worse....