you're annoying and this is so fucking dumb.
yes Zimmerman was acquitted, but so was OJ Simpson, and Casey Anthony. Of course this doesn't mean you should fight the injustice with violence, and I'm sure anyone that is robbing/mugging people as a result of this has been arrested.
Of course blacks voted for Obama, aside from the fact that he's black, and of course every African American would love to see the first black president, but most blacks live in poverty, so it would be highly irrational to vote for a Republican regardless of race.
Women should be able to do whatever they want period.
These scholarships and grants are Americas pathetic attemps at saying 'I'm sorry,' as well as the fact that, as I mentioned before, most blacks (and other minorities) are living in poverty.
Nobody is going to hire somebody less qualified than you because of race. That's just ridiculous.
Women and blacks get excited about, 'the first woman ______' the 'first black ______' because to this day, there is still no equality. It has been proven time and time again a man can earn more money working the same job as a female.
People like you are one of the reasons racism and discrimination still exist today.
You're getting upset because there aren't any 'white people scholarships', and because minorities and women are trying to empower themselves after centuries of oppression. To this day, a white male has a higher success rate in America than anybody else.
When you vote simply because you relate with physical traits, then you are using your voting right in an incredibly dull way. Your vote counts for the whole country, and if you vote due to skin color or gender, you are not going to be focusing on how they would be able to actually run the country.
Women should not be allowed to "do whatever they want", they should be allowed to do what it is law allows women, or anyone to do.
I agree that women should also be allowed to be in the same line or work as men, although only if they are capable of working to the same standards. Areas such as fire department, law enforcement, military, and so on try to lower the standards of women to be able to get in to these areas, which is wrong. These areas of work are not for the people wanting to apply for them, they are to do a specific job, and if you cannot meet the standards required, they should not be lowered so you can meet them.
"It has been proven time and time again a man can earn more money working the same job as a female."
No, it absolutely has not. It has been proven that men "earn" more than women in the same "field" of work, but that does not mean they are in the same "Position" or do the "same" work in those fields.
Infact, it has been proven that the reason for the pay gap is not due to gender discrimination, it is due to the choices women make compared to men.
Men are more likely to look for high paying jobs that are less satisfying to work, where as women are less likely to look for a high paying job if the job is uncomfortable and not satisfying at all.
Men are also more likely to do the dangerous aspects of the job, which gives them reason to be paid more than those that don't.
The wage gap has been proven to exist, however it has also been proven to not be due to gender discrimination and everything to do with the choices women make compared to men.
Here is a video on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo&list=FLDcQUoqjuGHLrFfQAbx5PbQ
"People like you are one of the reasons racism and discrimination still exist today.
You're getting upset because there aren't any 'white people scholarships', and because minorities and women are trying to empower themselves after centuries of oppression. To this day, a white male has a higher success rate in America than anybody else."
No, actually, people like you are. You are trying to give off this impression sexism and gender inequality exists in areas they do not exist, all because you have listened to probably the most corrupt movement of our time: Feminism.
There is a difference between trying to empower yourself and trying to get special privilege due to being a victim, which feminists tend to confuse all the time.
"I am a victim of sexism every day in my life, and I have life so unfairly due to being a woman. I am a victim in most areas of society as a woman, and so I should be able to get this and get that to counter all of this sexism against me for being a woman".
That is not being an "empowered" woman, that is being a "whiny" woman.
Success rate?
More women than men go to college now. Despite this, we are still focused on women being encouraged to go to education than men, even when men need it more.
Less than ten percent of domestic violence shelters accept men, regardless of men being just as much victims as females.
As for the "centuries of oppression", I just find this bit annoying. "You" have never been in that position, yet you are implying you are having to try empower yourself from the oppression you have never once faced in your life.
Want to talk about oppression? Men were forced to fight, kill, and die in a war against their will, women did not. To this day, that is still something men can still be forced to do if war comes, women do not.
Originally, the reward for this was that men could vote, they had a say in the government and country they sacrificed for.
How did women get to vote? By protest. So in the end, men were forced to fight, kill, and die against their will, yet got nothing for their actions that a group that did not have to do the same thing also got.
Yes, men did have more power than women in the past, yet you forget they also had far more responsibility in the past aswell than women did.
When it comes down to it, women, atleast in western society, do not face as much sexism as feminists try to make out they do, which is why they are trying to now say that "trolls" only go after women, regardless of the fact they go after everyone regardless of gender, and why? Because they know they are running out of things to say is "sexism".
I never implied I'm trying to empower myself, and I never said I was oppressed. That doesn't change the fact that women and minorities have indeed been oppressed for centuries. This is where the feminist movement came from, this is why minorities are living in poverty, and this is why opportunities created specifically for minorities exist.
Domestic abuse does NOT affect as many men as it does women, 100% positive.
As a presumably white male you have no room to talk.
You're biased and full of shit. Seriously, shut the fuck up. Please.
Apologies. I assumed you were speaking from the average feminist standpoint that implies what I was stating by their statements and ideology that implies that is what they are implying.
Yes, there has been many issues in the past for each group that has had to deal with, like I explained about the draft, so much so that men even today can be forced to do that today.
Yes, this may be where the feminist movement came from, that doesn't mean that just because the movement had a just cause "then", that is has a just cause, or any cause "now". Many feminists now in their old age, from the original feminism, have also said how modern feminism is, to put it short, not needed like it used to be.
Wrong. You are once again going against facts. You clearly feel so entitled to your victim complex that you do not want to even consider the idea that men are also equally victims.
Here is an article about it: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
Men are also far less likely than women to report their abuse, which could suggest, given that counting the ones that do we can see it being on an equal grounds, then considering that studies show men are equally likely to be victims, then think how men are less likely to report than women are, it can then be assumed that given that since the reported victims are around equal, then considering less men would come forward despite the victims being equal, that men may well be the majority of victims.
If the reports show that equal amount of men are victims, then considering less men will come forward implies more men may well be victims than female victims.
Link: http://brightonmanplan.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/male-victims-of-domestic-violence-suffering-in-silence/
"As a white male"? So because I am a white male that changes anything? Why does my gender or my race mean anything on this matter? It doesn't change the facts just because I, a white male, is reading them.
If I am biased due to being a white male, then you are also bias due to being a white female, or does that only work against men?
I have provided links and facts that your small little mind could not comprehend. You are clearly the bias one here, as I am not speaking for a bias standpoint, I am speaking from what I read and research standpoint, where as you don't do that, as shown due to your lack of knowledge on the matter, which means "you" are infact the one speaking from a bias".
You can call me names all you want, that's your right, but don't be a complete hypocritical fucktard, showing themselves to have the brain power of a stick in the process. It saves me having to point out how stupid you are.
You and I both know the reason for such a small response. You know you can't prove yourself correct, just as I am sure you know I can prove myself right, as I have. Hence why you have given far less a response than you have others.
So, not due to your gender, not due to your race, you should "shut the fuck up" based on your incapability to produce a rational thought, in short, you you have "no room to talk" due to being a complete dipshit.
Although I see OP's point, I really had a problem with the part about how the military is "protecting" us poor defenseless women from experiencing the horror of war. To that I say, "Fuck you very much". We don't need your protection. Why do men join the army? Because they want to serve and protect. Well, so do some women. They want the chance to serve their country just as a much as a man and they should be able to.
Also, thank you for pointing out that most minorities live in poverty which IS a handicap and should be thusly treated as such. Nuf said.
What do OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony have to do with Zimmerman or the race-related point I was making? Nothing? But thanks for mentioning OJ Simpson, it brings a great extra point. Remember how no whites rioted at his acquittal? I rest that case.
Secondly, I laugh if you really believe all those voters were well informed on the issues and legitimately believed because of it that Obama was the best candidate. In either case, voting for free entitlements is easy and destructive to the country as a whole. Rewarding laziness will lead to ruin. It's a conflict of interest to vote for someone who might take those away from you. Even a lab rat is intelligent enough to avoid getting shocked and grab a piece of cheese. I personally know plenty of people receiving government money who could work. Plus, thanks for agreeing that they would just plain love to see a black president. That's the problem, why should it matter what ethnicity he is?
Those 'pathetic attempts at saying I'm sorry' shouldn't exist in the first place. Enough with the 'White Guilt.' I'm not upset because there are no white people scholarships, way to completely miss the point I was trying to demonstrate. They need to stop looking down and feeling sorry for themselves and WORK for things like everyone else. That is true equality. No perks, no penalties, just your own sweat, blood, and merit. Did it ever occur to you, even just once, that maybe, on the average, some of these people just don't even try? We live in America, and you really believe things are that hard for you to get an education and make something of yourself because you're a minority?? *facepalm* Try being motivated, and don't wait for the government entitlement hand to feed you.
What's wrong with you? "There is still no equality" Just get out of here dude, or come back with a serious comment. With a name like 'slutzombie' you probably don't scratch beneath the surface of issues too often.
My point with OJ and Anthony is that just because he was acquitted doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong.
While I believe welfare has it's place in America, and sounds great in theory, I believe it is extremely abused and causes more harm than anything. Good intentions- but it needs to be very well regulated.
And just as some blacks voted for Obama because of his race, I'm sure plenty of whites chose not to vote for him for the exact same reason.
It's not about white guilt. Nobody is trying to make you feel guilty for being white. Up until the 60s and even later on, minorities were oppressed. Because of that, it was harder for them to get jobs, make money and live well, and the pattern continues to this day. The reason the majority of blacks live in poverty is directly related to the fact that they did NOT have equal rights for a very long time.
People that abuse welfare should definitely not be limited to minorities, by the way. I agree that if you're capable of working, you should not be on welfare, because then you are taking money away from the people that actually need it. Never once did I suggest people should abuse welfare.
I also never said I will have a hard time making something of myself or getting an education. But people that grow up in the projects, with little to no money, (mostly blacks) yes, they will have a harder time than most people.
You're making ridiculous assumptions. I'm just trying to point out that if (and yes, its true, I can find you some links if you'd like) a man can make more money than a female doing the same job, there is still no equality.
I'm sorry people were oppressed or disadvantaged in the 60s and earlier, but people today take advantage of their strife for free bonuses. It's not right or equal, it's just reversing the sides.
This keeps going back to poverty being their primary disadvantage, more so than actual discrimination on the part of employers or other organizations. This raises an interesting thought, why not base the scholarships on their poverty instead of their race? There are plenty of poor white people, and well off minorities. That doesn't seem perfect, but better than saying, hey, you're not white, here's free money for college.
Lastly, it said seeking diversity in the workplace, not equal wages among the genders. So, I don't really think the strive for diversity is solving the problem of men making more than women. A lot of jobs with salaries tend to be partly negotiated. Maybe on average more men are assertive in this factor? I really don't know, and I don't think men should make more for the 'exact same job.' But Affirmative Action has not solved this.
Yes, poverty is their disadvantage, and reasons for that trace back to the times when they were discriminated against. So their poverty and history are directly correlated.
Diversity is a good thing- and I highly doubt that an employer would hire somebody less qualified than you because they are not white. That is discrimination, and if that really is the case, it's completely against the law.
I do believe there are some scholarships based on income, but not 100% sure. That is an interesting thought though.
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you're annoying and this is so fucking dumb.
yes Zimmerman was acquitted, but so was OJ Simpson, and Casey Anthony. Of course this doesn't mean you should fight the injustice with violence, and I'm sure anyone that is robbing/mugging people as a result of this has been arrested.
Of course blacks voted for Obama, aside from the fact that he's black, and of course every African American would love to see the first black president, but most blacks live in poverty, so it would be highly irrational to vote for a Republican regardless of race.
Women should be able to do whatever they want period.
These scholarships and grants are Americas pathetic attemps at saying 'I'm sorry,' as well as the fact that, as I mentioned before, most blacks (and other minorities) are living in poverty.
Nobody is going to hire somebody less qualified than you because of race. That's just ridiculous.
Women and blacks get excited about, 'the first woman ______' the 'first black ______' because to this day, there is still no equality. It has been proven time and time again a man can earn more money working the same job as a female.
People like you are one of the reasons racism and discrimination still exist today.
You're getting upset because there aren't any 'white people scholarships', and because minorities and women are trying to empower themselves after centuries of oppression. To this day, a white male has a higher success rate in America than anybody else.
What is wrong with you?
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You're incredibly wrong.
When you vote simply because you relate with physical traits, then you are using your voting right in an incredibly dull way. Your vote counts for the whole country, and if you vote due to skin color or gender, you are not going to be focusing on how they would be able to actually run the country.
Women should not be allowed to "do whatever they want", they should be allowed to do what it is law allows women, or anyone to do.
I agree that women should also be allowed to be in the same line or work as men, although only if they are capable of working to the same standards. Areas such as fire department, law enforcement, military, and so on try to lower the standards of women to be able to get in to these areas, which is wrong. These areas of work are not for the people wanting to apply for them, they are to do a specific job, and if you cannot meet the standards required, they should not be lowered so you can meet them.
"It has been proven time and time again a man can earn more money working the same job as a female."
No, it absolutely has not. It has been proven that men "earn" more than women in the same "field" of work, but that does not mean they are in the same "Position" or do the "same" work in those fields.
Infact, it has been proven that the reason for the pay gap is not due to gender discrimination, it is due to the choices women make compared to men.
Men are more likely to look for high paying jobs that are less satisfying to work, where as women are less likely to look for a high paying job if the job is uncomfortable and not satisfying at all.
Men are also more likely to do the dangerous aspects of the job, which gives them reason to be paid more than those that don't.
The wage gap has been proven to exist, however it has also been proven to not be due to gender discrimination and everything to do with the choices women make compared to men.
Here is a video on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo&list=FLDcQUoqjuGHLrFfQAbx5PbQ
"People like you are one of the reasons racism and discrimination still exist today.
You're getting upset because there aren't any 'white people scholarships', and because minorities and women are trying to empower themselves after centuries of oppression. To this day, a white male has a higher success rate in America than anybody else."
No, actually, people like you are. You are trying to give off this impression sexism and gender inequality exists in areas they do not exist, all because you have listened to probably the most corrupt movement of our time: Feminism.
There is a difference between trying to empower yourself and trying to get special privilege due to being a victim, which feminists tend to confuse all the time.
"I am a victim of sexism every day in my life, and I have life so unfairly due to being a woman. I am a victim in most areas of society as a woman, and so I should be able to get this and get that to counter all of this sexism against me for being a woman".
That is not being an "empowered" woman, that is being a "whiny" woman.
Success rate?
More women than men go to college now. Despite this, we are still focused on women being encouraged to go to education than men, even when men need it more.
Less than ten percent of domestic violence shelters accept men, regardless of men being just as much victims as females.
As for the "centuries of oppression", I just find this bit annoying. "You" have never been in that position, yet you are implying you are having to try empower yourself from the oppression you have never once faced in your life.
Want to talk about oppression? Men were forced to fight, kill, and die in a war against their will, women did not. To this day, that is still something men can still be forced to do if war comes, women do not.
Originally, the reward for this was that men could vote, they had a say in the government and country they sacrificed for.
How did women get to vote? By protest. So in the end, men were forced to fight, kill, and die against their will, yet got nothing for their actions that a group that did not have to do the same thing also got.
Yes, men did have more power than women in the past, yet you forget they also had far more responsibility in the past aswell than women did.
When it comes down to it, women, atleast in western society, do not face as much sexism as feminists try to make out they do, which is why they are trying to now say that "trolls" only go after women, regardless of the fact they go after everyone regardless of gender, and why? Because they know they are running out of things to say is "sexism".
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I never implied I'm trying to empower myself, and I never said I was oppressed. That doesn't change the fact that women and minorities have indeed been oppressed for centuries. This is where the feminist movement came from, this is why minorities are living in poverty, and this is why opportunities created specifically for minorities exist.
Domestic abuse does NOT affect as many men as it does women, 100% positive.
As a presumably white male you have no room to talk.
You're biased and full of shit. Seriously, shut the fuck up. Please.
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Apologies. I assumed you were speaking from the average feminist standpoint that implies what I was stating by their statements and ideology that implies that is what they are implying.
Yes, there has been many issues in the past for each group that has had to deal with, like I explained about the draft, so much so that men even today can be forced to do that today.
Yes, this may be where the feminist movement came from, that doesn't mean that just because the movement had a just cause "then", that is has a just cause, or any cause "now". Many feminists now in their old age, from the original feminism, have also said how modern feminism is, to put it short, not needed like it used to be.
Wrong. You are once again going against facts. You clearly feel so entitled to your victim complex that you do not want to even consider the idea that men are also equally victims.
Here is an article about it: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
Men are also far less likely than women to report their abuse, which could suggest, given that counting the ones that do we can see it being on an equal grounds, then considering that studies show men are equally likely to be victims, then think how men are less likely to report than women are, it can then be assumed that given that since the reported victims are around equal, then considering less men would come forward despite the victims being equal, that men may well be the majority of victims.
If the reports show that equal amount of men are victims, then considering less men will come forward implies more men may well be victims than female victims.
Link: http://brightonmanplan.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/male-victims-of-domestic-violence-suffering-in-silence/
"As a white male"? So because I am a white male that changes anything? Why does my gender or my race mean anything on this matter? It doesn't change the facts just because I, a white male, is reading them.
If I am biased due to being a white male, then you are also bias due to being a white female, or does that only work against men?
I have provided links and facts that your small little mind could not comprehend. You are clearly the bias one here, as I am not speaking for a bias standpoint, I am speaking from what I read and research standpoint, where as you don't do that, as shown due to your lack of knowledge on the matter, which means "you" are infact the one speaking from a bias".
You can call me names all you want, that's your right, but don't be a complete hypocritical fucktard, showing themselves to have the brain power of a stick in the process. It saves me having to point out how stupid you are.
You and I both know the reason for such a small response. You know you can't prove yourself correct, just as I am sure you know I can prove myself right, as I have. Hence why you have given far less a response than you have others.
So, not due to your gender, not due to your race, you should "shut the fuck up" based on your incapability to produce a rational thought, in short, you you have "no room to talk" due to being a complete dipshit.
Although I see OP's point, I really had a problem with the part about how the military is "protecting" us poor defenseless women from experiencing the horror of war. To that I say, "Fuck you very much". We don't need your protection. Why do men join the army? Because they want to serve and protect. Well, so do some women. They want the chance to serve their country just as a much as a man and they should be able to.
Also, thank you for pointing out that most minorities live in poverty which IS a handicap and should be thusly treated as such. Nuf said.
I'm so sorry, did you read anything I wrote?
What do OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony have to do with Zimmerman or the race-related point I was making? Nothing? But thanks for mentioning OJ Simpson, it brings a great extra point. Remember how no whites rioted at his acquittal? I rest that case.
Secondly, I laugh if you really believe all those voters were well informed on the issues and legitimately believed because of it that Obama was the best candidate. In either case, voting for free entitlements is easy and destructive to the country as a whole. Rewarding laziness will lead to ruin. It's a conflict of interest to vote for someone who might take those away from you. Even a lab rat is intelligent enough to avoid getting shocked and grab a piece of cheese. I personally know plenty of people receiving government money who could work. Plus, thanks for agreeing that they would just plain love to see a black president. That's the problem, why should it matter what ethnicity he is?
Those 'pathetic attempts at saying I'm sorry' shouldn't exist in the first place. Enough with the 'White Guilt.' I'm not upset because there are no white people scholarships, way to completely miss the point I was trying to demonstrate. They need to stop looking down and feeling sorry for themselves and WORK for things like everyone else. That is true equality. No perks, no penalties, just your own sweat, blood, and merit. Did it ever occur to you, even just once, that maybe, on the average, some of these people just don't even try? We live in America, and you really believe things are that hard for you to get an education and make something of yourself because you're a minority?? *facepalm* Try being motivated, and don't wait for the government entitlement hand to feed you.
What's wrong with you? "There is still no equality" Just get out of here dude, or come back with a serious comment. With a name like 'slutzombie' you probably don't scratch beneath the surface of issues too often.
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My point with OJ and Anthony is that just because he was acquitted doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong.
While I believe welfare has it's place in America, and sounds great in theory, I believe it is extremely abused and causes more harm than anything. Good intentions- but it needs to be very well regulated.
And just as some blacks voted for Obama because of his race, I'm sure plenty of whites chose not to vote for him for the exact same reason.
It's not about white guilt. Nobody is trying to make you feel guilty for being white. Up until the 60s and even later on, minorities were oppressed. Because of that, it was harder for them to get jobs, make money and live well, and the pattern continues to this day. The reason the majority of blacks live in poverty is directly related to the fact that they did NOT have equal rights for a very long time.
People that abuse welfare should definitely not be limited to minorities, by the way. I agree that if you're capable of working, you should not be on welfare, because then you are taking money away from the people that actually need it. Never once did I suggest people should abuse welfare.
I also never said I will have a hard time making something of myself or getting an education. But people that grow up in the projects, with little to no money, (mostly blacks) yes, they will have a harder time than most people.
You're making ridiculous assumptions. I'm just trying to point out that if (and yes, its true, I can find you some links if you'd like) a man can make more money than a female doing the same job, there is still no equality.
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I think we both agree on the issue of welfare.
I'm sorry people were oppressed or disadvantaged in the 60s and earlier, but people today take advantage of their strife for free bonuses. It's not right or equal, it's just reversing the sides.
This keeps going back to poverty being their primary disadvantage, more so than actual discrimination on the part of employers or other organizations. This raises an interesting thought, why not base the scholarships on their poverty instead of their race? There are plenty of poor white people, and well off minorities. That doesn't seem perfect, but better than saying, hey, you're not white, here's free money for college.
Lastly, it said seeking diversity in the workplace, not equal wages among the genders. So, I don't really think the strive for diversity is solving the problem of men making more than women. A lot of jobs with salaries tend to be partly negotiated. Maybe on average more men are assertive in this factor? I really don't know, and I don't think men should make more for the 'exact same job.' But Affirmative Action has not solved this.
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Yes, poverty is their disadvantage, and reasons for that trace back to the times when they were discriminated against. So their poverty and history are directly correlated.
Diversity is a good thing- and I highly doubt that an employer would hire somebody less qualified than you because they are not white. That is discrimination, and if that really is the case, it's completely against the law.
I do believe there are some scholarships based on income, but not 100% sure. That is an interesting thought though.