Is it normal for me 2 believe homosexuals should convert to heterosexuality?

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I'll start off by saying that it is my religious belief that homosexuality is unacceptable to God. (Romans 1:26-28)
I also believe there are a number of other things that are unacceptable as well, but this is my focus today. Now, I have seen people become delivered from sin, seen people quit smoking after 30 years, or decide to STOP having sex until they are married. But how does that compare with homosexuals?? I have yet to meet a full blown homosexual who has decided that it was wrong and actually went into heterosexual relationships so I want a personal witness.

I have friends who are homosexual, and I don't want to ask them this because they have no desire to change and I don't want to offend them and start a fight. But I want to understand a little more, from someone who HAS dealt with religion and their homosexuality, who HAS tried to make the switch or who HAS made the switch.

People say I'm crazy to think they should change because it is not a choice, it is how they are born. But I'm a firm believer in Philippians 4:13 (I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me). So if Christ says it's wrong, and he says all things are possible through Him, then that means its possible. He wouldn't tell us its wrong and not give us a way out!

I'm just looking for others who are in agreeance with me on this. I believe its normal to think they should/could change, but what do you think?

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uPSIDEOFDOWn

11 years ago

What i think is that You are likely a very beautiful person at your core, who has unfortunately attached to themselves X number of years of a malignant thought-process (Christianity).

There are many contradictions in the bible. Please look them up elsewhere--I do not have time for a debate.

To you, I may as well be an atheist--I believe that your God does not reign supreme. I believe that if Jesus was on Earth and he said half of the things that he did in the bible, his holiness would evidence itself.

In so many places in the bible a reader can find passages in support of rape, violence, genocide, cold-hearted, unmoving hatred and grudge-holding, "holy" conquest, etc. And God commands all of it, or so the authors would have us believe.

Kinda seems like politics from a couple of thousand years ago...call my bluff on that one...but those men, those authors, are like so many who fail to reach enlightenment in this existence.

So you don't like gays and gay sex. Maybe you should begin with the consideration that the actual, biological response you are having to the thought of gayness is NOT "OMG THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL" so much as, "No wonder I find gayness gross! I'm straight"

If you are straight, that is ;)

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  I don't dislike gays. It's their actions I don't approve of, God says love thy neighbor... Like I said I have gay friends and love them to death. But I'm just now getting to the point in my religion where I'm learning more about God and becoming more bold for him. But obviously, this is something I struggle with. That's why I wanted an opinion of someone who has been through this!! I want to understand other people I really do! It's not about hate, it's about me sharing what I believe is going to save our souls!! What kind of friend would I be to keep information from someone I love!!
  
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  - uPSIDEOFDOWn
    
    11 years ago
    
    I have a number of points I like discussing with devout Christians when it comes to the topic of homosexuality, but once again will spare a debate.
    
    The biggest reason I believe the biblical stance on homosexuality to be irrelevant is because of its circular nature: "Homosexuality is a sin because God (or Christ) said it to be."
    
    And then, I always ask, but why? What about same-sex sexual interaction is so repulsive to God?
    
    Here's the thing--I'm a rationalist. I definitely have an emotional side, especially with my girlfriend, but about 90% of the time I am a rationalizing machine.
    
    I do not think that I should take giants at face value, only to find that they are giant playing cards that could have easily been toppled with a little push. I like structure and substance behind things.
    
    I can take many of the Bible's main commandments and see the logical processes, and indeed VALUE, behind them. Take not committing murder. Take not coveting others. Take not stealing. Take working hard, but allowing time for rest.
    
    I can both play these ideas out in my head and witness their prominence in the real world, and so I think they have validity.
    
    So what really happens when two men or two women have sex?
    
    If it's two women, I'll tell ya, I think sweeeeeeeeeeet. Not to be a stereotypical man or anything, but I find lesbianism sexy.
    
    And if it's two men, I think, "Huh...not really my style."
    
    If two consenting, CONSENTING adults have sex, then they have sex. Sexuality without consent is obviously detrimental in many ways, which is its own conversation.
    
    Unlike murder and stealing and jealousy, I can't play out homosexual acts to be some grand societal tumor. That said, there are certainly selfish, mean, rude, and even violent homosexuals. But those characteristics, things that I can rationalize as BAD, also obviously exist in the heterosexual population.
    
    So for me, the biblical argument on gay sex as evil falls flat.
    
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dappled

11 years ago | pl

What if there's no God? That makes you a person who has gone around making people have sex with a gender they don't want to have sex with.

To paint a picture, how would you feel if I believed in someone called Huffaloo, wrote a book about Him saying Huffaloo says men need to stick it up each other's tailpipes and women need to chomp down on each other, and then made you do that, because that's what Huffaloo says.

That's what you're doing.

Proud?

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- RockerRoseanne
  
  11 years ago
  
  i agree but i started laughing when i read huffaloo.XD
  
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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  First of all Huffaloo is completely fictitious & clearly you just shot that off the top of your head. But, the Bible has so many predictions that have come true! And God has truly shown me some things that I later found to be true, about people I didn't even know well. Showed me dreams about people and then things happened. Laid it on my heart to pray for someone and then you get a call from them saying how they almost just had something bad happen. Not a coincidence, not at all. And I don't want to make them, but want them to believe that it is possible to live a more righteous life.
  
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  - dappled
    
    11 years ago
    
    Of course Huffaloo is completely fictitious. That was the point I was making. I started by saying that what "if" there's no God. While I fully accept that you are 100% convinced there is no chance at all of that being possible, many people around the world have different beliefs. If I say my belief is Huffaloo and I then use it make you have sex with people you don't want to, would you respond positively to that?
    
    You do see the point I'm making, I hope. It's not a point to do with God, religion, or Huffaloo. It's a point that not everyone shares your belief and you can't make them do things as if they do.
    
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Justsomejerk

11 years ago

I wasn't aware smoking was a sin. Oh that's right your an idiot.

All praise Huffaloo!

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- pondford
  
  11 years ago
  
  *you're
  
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  - anti-hero
    
    11 years ago
    
    That was the higher level.
    
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- anti-hero
  
  11 years ago
  
  I was going to say the same about smoking but you beat me to it.
  
  The "your an idiot" made me laugh on two levels.
  
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  - Justsomejerk
    
    11 years ago
    
    Damn I'm usually so careful. There's a touch of irony though so its not a total failure.
    
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    - anti-hero
      
      11 years ago
      
      I forgive you. Only because I agree with your overall point.
      
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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  I'm saying that things you become accustomed to doing, can be hard to stop. Or behaviors you have had since you were a child can be hard to stop as an adult, but I have seen it done. Even myself, used to find it very hard to not react in some of the ways I used to, to not punch people like YOU in the face when they call me an idiot. But, through Christ I have gained so much control and I often find myself peaceful, even in the most chaotic situations.
  
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thestocker

11 years ago

no anything with SEX in it is good

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UnrecognizableMan

11 years ago

"I have friends who are homosexual, and I don't want to ask them this because they have no desire to change and I don't want to offend them and start a fight."

If you are a Christian it's not about what you, or they, want or don't want. It's about what God wants or doesn't want. You have claimed that God doesn't want homosexuals. Therefore it is your duty as a Christian, if you like it or not, to consistently confront them until they see the correct way.

If you don't do this then you are ignoring what God wants, and then there is no difference between you and the homosexuals.

Best of luck...

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  I said that exact thing to myself before I posted this, and you are right. I'm more concerned about what they think than what God wants I guess. But I just wish there was someone who could testify to the fact of this happening for them, I feel like I just need evidence.
  
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pondford

11 years ago

Sadly there are still some Christian homosexuals who are firm believers that it is a sin to be homosexual. For them, they can't be themselves, they have to always pretend to be someone they're not, or they turn a blind eye towards their homosexuality and deny it. Feelings of self blame, self hatred, confusion, isolation, guilt. Denial of sexuality, bullied for being different but not knowing how or why it's them, gossiped about by others behind their backs, rejected... It's horrible to face all that everyday, and it gets tiresome to have to pretend to be straight. For example, wouldn't you become tired having to smile all the time even when you're not happy or in the mood?

Some marry the opposite sex but have an unhappy marriage or a marriage that lacks satisfaction from husband and wife. Some don't go into any relationship at all because they know going into a relationship with the opposite sex wouldn't work out- and thus, being considerate of others but neglecting themselves, they stay single and continue in maintaining that they are straight while they're not.

And some, the pressure to turn straight coming from family, friends, community, church, and themselves becomes too much too handle. They would have tried to change desperately before hand, because they think homosexuality is a sin, a sickness, and they hate that they are a living sin. The thing is, after a while of trying with all their mite to change, they discover they can't change, that nothing they do is working. Frustration, despair, hopelessness, more self hatred. Not being able to live with being a homosexual, living with the belief that because they are homosexual that they are sick and wouldn't be able to stop sinning, they kill themselves, or go about their lives a shell of their former self, or pretend everything is fine and pretend they are heterosexual while knowing they aren't.

There isn't a switch one could flick on or off to be homosexual or heterosexual. Our sexuality really isn't a choice. We're really born the way we are. However, what is a choice is how we lead our lives. The choice for a homosexual to lead a heterosexual life is not a happy one and it's understandable as to why that is so. You try pretending to be homosexual for a year and see how that feels, how difficult it is to maintain. You wouldn't last a week. It's exactly the same feeling and difficulty for a homosexual to pretend to be a heterosexual. It's not right to pretend. Life shouldn't be experienced in such a way. We need to be authentic to others as well as ourselves. We need to be ourselves.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  It's not about pretending to change, it's about true inner change, which will not make them uncomfortable. You can't PRETEND to be a certain way and think it won't affect you mentally over a period of time. And like I said, all things are possible through Christ who strengthens me. Not, all things are possible if I pretend like they are so.
  
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  - pondford
    
    11 years ago
    
    Oh, I see what you're saying. I'd say they're in denial. Wouldn't it be called that? If they knew or discovered that they have a leaning towards the same sex but ignore and/or repress it, they're in denial?
    
    Anyway, as I said before, I know there are some homosexuals who firmly believe they are straight and lead a straight life, believing that their homosexuality is just a phase... I think it is possible that there are people who go about their lives being positive that they were born heterosexuals and probably, yes, they are able to keep with the mentality that they are straight and that is all. Some maybe successful. Some may not be so successful and they struggle maintaining it.
    
    I think that those who are able to change (or at least believe they have changed) and identity as heterosexual are those who aren't preoccupied with their sexuality, have no reason to dwell over it because their homosexuality isn't majorly present or don't need to worry about their sexuality. That's the only way I see it being possible. They have this vision of how their life is supposed to go and stick to it because they want it. You know, to finish school, get a job, have a career, marry someone of the opposite sex, have children, raise a family, and all of that while having firm control over their 'homosexual tendencies'. They may struggle with repressing and eliminating their homosexuality though because it is part of them. Since life isn't easy and what we plan sometimes doesn't go according to plan, their sexuality may come into question in unexpected situations. They would thus try to avoid such occurrences and brush the matter to the side, thinking 'what's life without a bit of struggle?'.
    
    We also have to take into account that sexuality is fluid, that there are different levels of sexuality. So there are people who are extremely homosexual, and leading a heterosexual life would be impossible; people who are extremely heterosexual who would lead heterosexual lives easily; people who are in between; and then there are people who aren't sexual anything. I think only those who have only slight homosexual leanings would be able to change without being extremely uncomfortable with it. But I don't think those who are on the high scale of homosexuality would be able to lead a life of heterosexuality successfully. Those are the ones who would blame and hate themselves; feel guilty, depressed and angst over them 'living a sin' and unable to change even if they wanted to so much.
    
    I still believe that we are born the way we are, that being homosexual or heterosexual isn't a choice. That God has his reasons to make all of us different in small and huge ways.
    
    I don't think it's a matter of should they change. If they want to, they'll try. It's whether they could change that is the question. While some could, many can't.
    
    So yes, normal for you to think they should/could but I don't fully agree. We're all entitled to have different opinions of course. :) I'm no way promoting homosexuals to lead heterosexual lives against their will because it's really their decision how they decide to lead their lives. They can do what they believe is right and that's fine by me as long as they're happy with their choice of living.
    
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Thewomanizer

11 years ago

Obviously it's normal for someone to believe that ALL people should be attracted to the opposite sex as that's how we were made, but in todays world it is considered "normal" now it can be normal but it doesn't mean it's "natural" as the majority of people are either attracted to the same sex or both even. some people would argue the fact that you can't help who you fall for, which is true, doesn't mean they should act upon it if it's not natural. I do not have anything against homosexuality, though I do know it's not "natural"

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  thank you for your comment
  
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    11 years ago
    
    your welcome, hope it helped some how.. =)
    
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- JBN
  
  11 years ago
  
  I agree it isn't mainstream or natural for a majority of people; however, gays have been around since the beginning of man and will be until we all go poof! and the Earth ends. I find straight men who have major problems with other men being gay usually have some serious insecurity issues with their sexuality. This proves to be the case over and over. On the other hand nothing is worse then militant lesbos and homos pushing their political one sided views on others. They do not speak for me!
  
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  - Anonymous Post Author
    
    11 years ago
    
    Murderers have been around too (Cane and Abel story). But that doesn't make that okay. Satan has been around a long time too, does that make him good or acceptable!!
    
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shade_ilmaendu

11 years ago

If being gay is a choice, then when did you choose to be straight?

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Captain_Kegstand

11 years ago

ALL PRAISE HUFFALOO AND THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!!!

Seriously, everybody doesn't believe the same thing as you. If you honestly believe that every homosexual person will "convert" to being strait based on YOUR religion you are truly an idiot!

Personally I choose to believe in the teachings of the Flying Spaghetti Monster...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Having your own beliefs is fine, follow God and the bible and be a happy person, but only an idiot would be close minded enough to think that everybody should believe the same as you!

Lesson for today kids -tolerance-

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Avant-Garde

9 years ago

As far as I know, these conversion processes aren't possible. They don't work. They aren't humane. Why are you so obsessed with this subject? There are so many other things that people do which are against the bible? Why aren't you obsessively taking issue with these people? Or, are you one of the guilty party?

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Kimmy

9 years ago

No offence but that is terrible

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Alright

11 years ago

This is how it is buddy but simplified. Ima christian, God made nature, men and women twist nature which then makes them think its ok to have 2 guys fuck

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EndlessSuffering

11 years ago

Holy fuck. Fuck the bible.

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Tazwiz

11 years ago

People can believe and be what they want. You shouldn't change people, it's wrong. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, they can do/be
what they want. They are entitled to that at least.

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brushingmyteeth

11 years ago

It's normal if you stop eating shrimp and wearing outfits with different kinds of cloth in them. Gotta abide by all the rules if you're going to stick with this one—they're from the exact same area of the bible, and if you're going to enforce this not only with yourself but with others, you should do the same with each and every single rule. Until then, you're a hypocrite and you're not going to have any friends left.

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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  Please read the bible a little more before you try to use it against someone.
  
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- Anonymous Post Author
  
  11 years ago
  
  Mark 7:18-23 (Defilement comes from within)
  
  18 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”[g] 20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
  
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Josie_57

11 years ago

There is nothing wrong with being gay. I respect all religions, including Christianity, but I have to say you are wrong about this. Firstly, sexuality isnt a choice, so surely God must have made us this way? And to answer your question, I dont think you can just change your sexuality, even "with help from Jesus". Sure, lots of people suppress their sexuality and try and be straight, but in the end, thats just living a lie, and is a miserable way to be, spending your whole life pretending to be someone you're not.
Also, Christianity teaches loving one another and accepting people, so why cant you accept and love gay people as well?

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  11 years ago
  
  I do accept and love them, they are humans why wouldn't I? But I don't love their ways.
  
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alv1592

11 years ago

People who are born that way can't just convert. I do believe some people are born gay; I've known one of my best friends since we were little, and even then he liked dressing like a girl, and he talked about guys who were cute lol. It may go against what's in the bible, but the bible has been modified and edited over the years. Besides, we're all sinners and God forgives.

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[Old Memory]

11 years ago

God doesn't exist. If he would exist , there would be no homosexuals and everybody would be normal.

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  11 years ago
  
  What makes you say that? I get the first part, that is your view. I don't understand the second part.
  
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- EndlessSuffering
  
  11 years ago
  
  Homosexuals are normal. Idiotic people aren't normal.
  
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  - [Old Memory]
    
    11 years ago
    
    So you think it's normal for a guy to fuck another guy in the ass?
    
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      11 years ago
      
      Sure why not? Is it affecting you in any way?
      
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JBN

11 years ago

This isn't a is it normal question but more of a wanting to discuss something because I believe in it question. To answer the question are you born this way or did something happen, well, both. Some are born with such a strong sexual inclination, no amount of bible thumping or psychology will change them. Others, have a sexual interest in the same sex but feel comfortable to have relationships and get married to the opposite. The only thing that makes sense is that there is chart and at one side is 100% straight and other 100% gay. People are scattered all over the chart, most being toward the straight side, fewer being toward the gay side (of course). With knowing this, it is difficult to fit the bible comfortably into sexuality. So it is better to judge by behavior of that person by using the 10 commandments, or the golden rule, etc. I am gay and differ whole heartedly with some of my friends, gay and straight, in that I believe marriage is between a man and a woman only. No one will change my belief, I've heard it all. You have every right to express your feeling of homosexual sex being wrong, wicked, unatural, etc. Just don't physically harm someone for it. Free speech is important and goes both ways. Something the PC liberal media doesn't want to allow.

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iEatZombies_

11 years ago

"I'm just looking for others who are in agreeance with me on this."

Perhaps you might want to invest your time in another site.
This is "Is It Normal", not "Tell Me I'm Right".

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- Captain_Kegstand
  
  11 years ago
  
  Haha, tellmeimright.com... how bout overzealousbiblethumperwhopusheshisbeliefsoneveryoneelse.com (btw it is strangely hard to type without spaces!
  
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TheLion

11 years ago

You should try thinking for yourself for once instead of going to a book that's more than likely fictitious. Its interesting how different the world looks when you're not controlled by religion.

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