Is it normal 1984 moments?

Is it normal that the further we go on in life the more similarities with George Orwell's 1984 show up? I hate to be the meme of "It's 1984!" but come on, especially with the Left side of politics, the rewriting of books, women being the most bigoted that just regurgitate slogans, expanding surveillance, authorities "checking your thinking", and so on. I'm not saying we would ever reach a similar situation as the book but there's some obvious parallels between what we have today and 1984.

I haven't read the book in years but God damn, there are eyebrow raising similarities between .

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  • I think it's normal for everyone that has read 1984. The situations and events in that book were really extreme, but seeing the similarities with real people is really easy to the point where everyone does it. I don't even think it's dependent on where you live.

    I'd be more surprised if someone read 1984 and then put it down thinking "huh, good thing absolutely none of that is happening where I live, so I'm totally not concerned about heading in that direction."

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  • I don’t like Orwell.
    I think he’s regularly misinterpreted, but I also think a lot of his messages are relatively shallow. I think he is one step away from understanding things fully in many instances.

    What Orwell does is he puts the spotlight on negativity every single time, to the point it makes you think you’re seeing the “hidden truth”, so you get excited and pat yourself on the back for your “intellectualness” when in reality you’re just being a pessimist at least and a conspiracy theorist at most. He pulls the “big scary authoritarian society” card too often.
    A little too hand-holdy vibe too.

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  • In 1984 the tv watched them. This isnt even conspiracy its confirmed they can and do watch ppl through their TV if it has a camera. They can also watch you through your phone. The NSA doesnt even dispute it has the technology and uses it to track everything you do and theres keywords you can say that automatically flag you and you go on a list to be looked at. So if you say outloud "I want to bomb w a s h i n g t o n D C" that could trigger them to look into you a bit to clear you. Who knows what words cause the triggers. Snowden leaked it and said its so simple he could type anyones name in and had access to every email, text, video, location, and could even watch them through their phone camera from his desk at the NSA.

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    • Eh who cares sell my data all you want as long as you aren't trying to steal my identity I don't really care.

      Targeted adds don't really bother me and I don't really care if the government watches me I don't really have anything to hide so screw it.

      Worst thing that happens is some random government employee I'm never gonna meet sees me walk around naked.

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      • If you want to start a movement to change the status quo in the USA it can be squashed before it gets started through this program.
        Say Bernie Sanders meets with a group of democratic socialists and comes up with a plan to getting into office. Unelected beaurocrats will (and they did this) spy on every move he makes and go after the people in his group to try to break it up before it gets started. They were caught doing this in 2016. The possibilities are endless and the problem with it is its illegal in the US constitution. It clearly violates the 4th amendment. You being I assume a democratic socialist this is terrible for your movement.

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        • No I'm not a socialist.

          I think I'm just left of center maybe? I have no idea I don't follow politics as I don't like them and don't understand it very well.

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    • Bruh spying? WHO CARES? Like so what, they can watch me blow my nose? Watch me eat? “There he goes again eating another double cheeseburger.” 😂 I think there’s bigger Orwellian problems. What about Nick Fuentes being put on the no fly list for a joke? Or Douglass Mackey being charged with election interference for posting a meme. Or Ye being debanked from J P Morgan Chase. Etc.

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      • "who cares sell my data"
        "bruh spying, who cares"

        My goodness, people, seriously... this is basic privacy. It's not about the literal information they're getting, assuming you have no secrets, it's about what they can *do* with it, and how it changes your behavior knowing that someone is looking at you.

        The main character of 1984 was uncomfortable in front of his TV because the someone who was watching him was also judging him, and the consequences for a negative judgement were dire. The ONLY reason the government would be staring at you 24 hours a day is for that same level of judgement. You are essentially being treated the same way as a criminal.

        In real life, right now, it's still more about the "what can they do with it" question. The more political the landscape gets, the more dangerous it is for any entity to have free access to all of your cameras and private information. Because the more political it gets, the more personal it gets. You probably wouldn't trust your worst enemy with your full work schedule and the locations of your family members. You probably wouldn't trust ME with that information. These are strangers, not your friends.

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      • Ok, you dont care about your 4th amendment being violated and dont see the repercussions of this surveillance program. Good luck ever starting a new party or changing anything. An unelected beaurocrat will have the movement squashed before it gets started.

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  • It's more like Brave New World than 1984.

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    • Not read that one yet. I've got a good few things to read but I'll deffo be revisiting Orwell once I power through my current list.

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  • I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it will probably go on for some time. How long was Christianity the hegemonic religion in western countries? Several centuries. Now consider that Wokeness only really started to take off in the twentieth century. And it has almost everything going for it. It has institutional backing and you have population genetics changing so that people have more alleles for collectivism and group think. Moreover with new medicines and technologies (eg. brain implants) basic instincts like racism will be pathologized and “cured.”

    Not financial advice but one thing I’m doing to protect myself is buying foreign dividend stocks, because I don’t feel comfortable being long in the US markets where companies care more about their Woke religious beliefs than maximizing profit for shareholders.

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    • Surprised to see such sense on IIN of all places.

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    • The problem is that the left is abusively controlling and the right is hopelessly spineless. If the entire collective right managed to grow even a single pair of balls among them, then maybe they would learn to abuse, slander, and lie their way to control the same way the left does all the goddamn time

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      • I don't even think the Right needs to lie, they just have to be unapologetically blunt about the truth, with the unapologetic element being paramount. Everything else you said is spot on, the Right is generally spineless at this point because they're failing to live up to the Left's sensibilities, not realizing they'd be stronger if they lived up to their own.

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        • The right definitely knows how to loudly complain, but when it comes to enacting any kind of meaningful change they never fail to fail

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      • The right are actually too hard at work paying for leftie freebies. But they are also too busy commenting online rather than parading offline which is what the Marxists do.

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    • Yeah, it is looking grim. I won't say I'm hopeful but I do hope I'm proven wrong on the direction of the Western world.

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  • Yes, it's normal. That was always the end-game. I think what we're seeing is more akin to Brave New World though. Both are gay though. It's only going to get worse from here with the rapid development of AI, the WEF's coming great reset (realistically we're in the midst of it playing out now), coming planned economic collapses for a more centralized and globalized world, and the ultimate plan to wipe out the 'useless eaters' of the world. There are too many people for their ideal scenario. They'd want something closer to 500 gorillion.

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  • I think that 1984 was Mr. Orwell's view of society, if it progressed down the path that he saw it going in. I've read it, and I found it to be fantastically written. You could see the protagonist, Winston, have his tone and demeanor in writing change ever so slightly, as he got brainwashed by Big Brother, which made it feel relatable to one's own ever-changing mind.
    Anyway, we obviously don't live exactly like the people in the book, at least not yet, but as you said, there are far too many similarities to ignore. He didn't predict the future, he was making an observation about the current state of society, and wrote an openly extremeitized version of it, as a kind of meta commentary, which just so happens to align with today, as all politics slowly becomes more extreme and pervasive, as it goes along.

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  • Yeah I definitely agree. On the one hand, the book 1984 was so extreme that to say nowadays is like 1984 is a huge exagerration. So it'd just make people roll their eyes and dismiss you when you say that. But because 1984 was so dystopian, if anything from today even remotely resembles 1984 then we should be seriously concerned. And a lot today does resemble 1984.

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  • You don't think we will "ever" reach a situation like the book? Why?

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  • It's pretty normal, of the left in politics, I was thinking I should support the left, when the centre left couldn't sink any lower, creating a wealth tax. I think this monitoring what you're thinking is the bullshit of dictators, but let's face it, Americans can think any way they want, it's a free country. I'm stuck here in Australia trying to diss false patriotism, trying to get Australia back, and the world goes clinically insane with its strange reactions, songs and that and pseudo-futurism of the Bible, all because the authorities in charge aren't happy with the way things are.

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  • I've never read the book so I don't really have anything to go on.

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  • And a lot more PKD to come also…

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