If women don't wanna be harassed, then why do they dress like whores?
So, unless they dress like nuns, they shouldn't have the right to complain about it.
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[Old Memory]
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If there were numerous instances of such events, you would have a leg to stand on, but one anecdote isn't enough.
Imagine a group of women, or a party. He's going to choose to tail the one with half her tits showing over the one in, say, a jacket.
Or a rapist going through a town centre, on the lookout. He will feel inclined to go for the one which attracts him the most.Comment Hidden ( show )
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The way some women dress is debatable but it's irrelevant really . The woman has her freedom to dress as she feels happiest , you as the man should know how to address a woman and express a compliment delicately . If you honestly have women complaining about the things you say or do , chances are you are doing it in an inappropriate manner . I am all for compliments and sharing your feelings but if that is in a distasteful context .. try being more of a gentleman and sparking up a real conversation with these ladies . I don't care what you do really , it's your loss .. hopefully you learn otherwise for your own sake , not mine . I don't have an issue when it comes to speaking with women and hopefully one day you wont either .
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If animals didn't want to be eaten why are they made out of meat?
People are gonna crucify the shit out of your little bitch ass over this.
After all, anger is the most easily awoken of all the emotions.I get what you are trying to say but you are going about it the wrong way. I understand that the point you are trying to get across is that men subconsciously think that a woman dressed in minimum tight fitting, revealing clothes is slutty or easy or whatever..
But you can't just go around calling them whores. It's a very negative way to speak about bitches.
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Because women have every right to wear what the hell they want. Looking like a 'whore' is no invitation to any guy in the world. A woman dresses to attract guys whom she likes, not idiotic boy. And mostly, a woman dresses up for HERSELF. Because it gives her confidence and makes her feel good.
And harassment already happens if the woman doesn't dress like a 'whore'. Most of the time, if a woman has big boobs, she can wear what the hell she wants and guys still don't leave her alone.
Leave women, all women, alone unless she doesn't want you to. The end.
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I understand what you're trying to say, but here's what you have to realise:
- it's normal for most straight men's eyes to be caught if a woman wears something revealing.The difference is that a non-rapist won't try to rape the woman, period, regardless of what she wears. He'll admire her, and may make an attempt to get her number.
A rapist will rape a women regardless of what she wears.
I saw pictures from a protest centered around rape culture and slut-shaming, I'd say about a few years back. One woman was a Muslim. She had a sign that spoke of how she was still raped when dressing modestly and wearing her Hijab. She then put forth the question of how she could've been putting out "slut vibes" and how she deserved it based on her style of dress. She brought something so thought provoking to the table by putting everything into perspective and her words really helped me to stop thinking with a slut-shaming mentality.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say, OP?
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At the end of a day, a rapist does what they do because they can/are in a sense of control over themselves/someone else. Clearly age, race, religion and manner of dress is not an issue for them.
As for the OP, maybe he should just stab his own eyeballs out so he can live happily and not have to get so frustrated over this.
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I don't know if you want us to vote on how women dress or your attitude.
I must say, and forgive if I offend you, but your attitude sucks. Women should be able to run around naked if they want to, and in many cultures around the world now and in times past they did run around naked, including some of our native Americans. That doesn't make them whores. We men need to get a grip and exercise self control. We should be able to look at a scantily clad woman and be able to appreciate her beauty without thinking that SHE's wicked because of what we are thinking.Comment Hidden ( show ) -
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This is bulshit.All this comments about being able to dress how they want i bulshit and moronic.This is not the movies.If u dress in revealing clothes u r increasing ur chances of being raped/harrased point finished.If u walk late at night in bad neigbourhoods chances are you will be mugged or killed,if you leave your doors open when you go out chances are you will be robbed.If you dont teach your child to be wary of strangers offering candy chances are some pedo will kidnap him.All these things are common sense and the reality.Men are visual creatures and not all of us can control ourselves...even i dont know how much provocation i can take.Infact most rapists are not serial offenders,they are 1 time offenders who were caught.This means this men just eventualy lost it.If you are a woman and want to believe that you can wear anything you want and go where u want thats all good its ur choice.But when ur face has been shoved to the ground and some1's cold hard dick is inside you in an alley please dont come back whimpering to me.I'll force myself inside you too for your stupidity.
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Ish.
I get your point somewhat. It depends on what you mean by harassment.
What I don't get is how women (not all or even half) will dress in extremely revealing clothing to be sexually appealing and then complain when they sexually attract someone. They need to realize that when you're going out in public and have intentionally dressed sexually attractive that you're going to get noticed by all sorts of people, some of which will voice their attraction, not always in polite ways.
People respond to you on how you present yourself. It's always been this way. If your aim is to walk out and get people gawking at you because you want to be viewed as sexually appealing then you can't complain when you get exactly that.
Ofcourse, some people will harass others even when they clearly aren't wearing clothing just to be sexually appealing. Had it done to me before by men and women and it can be uncalled for.
Basically, you're treated how you present yourself.
This is also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QNw1LRJv4
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For some women, myself included, dressing sexy is for myself. It's to express my own sexuality and to enjoy my sexuality. That doesn't mean you want people saying really gross stuff to you. And as for guys beeping and trying to chat you up on the street or shouting things out...nice men don't do that so it's always going to be annoying and better just to ignore it.
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Sexuality isn't defined by clothing though. People dress to impress to the best of their ability, I would say women moreso than men but men do it aswell and have increasingly been doing it.
I never really understood the "it's for myself" position. Surely if it was for yourself then there wouldn't be a need to walk outside like that and you could dress like that for yourself when you're by yourself and dress normally when going out, which means you still dress "for you" without having to deal with the posibility of people catcalling.
I know that when I dress nice "for me" it's so that "I" look somewhat attractive, and I gain attraction from other people. Which means I also have to realize I will be catcalled, whistled at, beeped horns, and so on, which have all happened before and then some.
I'm not saying "Don't dress like that!" I'm just saying I don't really believe that people who dress provocatively do it just for their own eyes to see, they do it "for themselves" by looking attractive or their version of attractive, to others, which is normal to do. Most people do it.
If you don't agree then perhaps you could explain it to me a little more? I've had this discussion with a few people before and they've ended up admitting that although thyey dress the way they do "for them", they do it "for them" by looking good to others or the possibility of looking good to others. :)
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Your sexuality itself is what it is but dressing in certain ways can be an outward expression of your sexuality. "can be", not alwas "is". For example, there are certain specific styles attributed to gay men and women, people into certain fetishes, etc. Wearing a certain style can just mean that's what you're exposed to, or attracted to, or used to attract who you want, or just how you'd like to look. But it certainly doesn't mean everyone who dresses that way IS that way and deserves whatever they get for it. There's no logic in defending harrassment of anyone over how they dress. Defending being able to dress however you want and criticising those who do fuck with people over fashion choices has value, however.
"Surely if it was for yourself then there wouldn't be a need to walk outside like that and you could dress like that for yourself when you're by yourself and dress normally when going out"
Uh, no. If you dress differently when going out when you'd rather not, that's the exact opposite of doing it for yourself. That's doing it because you're forced or pressured to.
"I don't really believe that people who dress provocatively do it just for their own eyes to see, they do it "for themselves""
Maybe it's not for their eyes but their comfort? Maybe they dress in even less at home alone and putting on skimpy clothes is a burden compared to how they dress at home? For women in warm months, skimpy often means comfort but men attribute a slut connotation to what's really just normal clothing. Nobody calls a man in shorts and a tank top a whore but a woman who wears the same is either a slut (if she buys from the women's department) or a dyke (if she wears basketball shorts with a sleveless t). I know plenty of people who only wear underwear, skimpy sleepwear or go full nude at home (myself included) and throwing on real clothing (even if skimpy) is more than they'd prefer to if it was legal or acceptable. It's rather ignorant and demonstrably wrong to say anyone wearing little clothing outside the house definitely wears more clothing when alone.
Anyway harrassers are the problem, not people wearing what they want. Why put 1 ounce of energy defending those who harass?
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Yeah but why would you be expressing anything in public unless you want it to be known by the public?
I personally don't think there are certain styles for gay men in general. Maybe when going to a club or something but every homosexual I've known tend to dress like heterosexual guys.
As for "attract who you want", that's what I'm saying. People dress good to attract people even if it's just to attract their fancy that you won't be reciprocating, I think most people do this and there's nothing wrong with it but at the same time you have to be aware that if it's something outside of the norm such as revealing clothing more than usual or anything else then there are people in the world that are going to be rude about it and you have to expect that and take that risk.
I know it doesn't mean that what people dress like is what they "are" like but it is a presentation of yourself, even if it's not a presentation of who you really are. I'm not saying it's a good thing to get harassed or that it's justifiable, I'm saying that it should be expected to a degree because we don't live in a world where everyone is the same, some are good and some are bad and it will always be that way, so we as individuals have to either take the risk or prevent the risk as much as we can, just like the whole "door lock" argument. It's not right if someone breaks in to your house but you should of known it happens and taken the precautions.
As for the second part, what I was saying is that if it's just for your eyes and your enjoyment without any added aspects of wanting others to see you then doing what I said would make sense. If you're not wanting others to look at you due to how you've presented yourself in public then don't dress like that in public, do it at home where you can see your own outfits while ensuring nobody else does, then when going outside wear something more casual. That way you get to dress as revealing as you want "for you" while not risking facing the rude people of the world.
S.I, you and I both know that there are people that dress provocativly when there is no comfort reason to. I'm not saying all or even half do it but there are people that do it. Ofcourse, there are people that do it for comfort too. However I've noticed that with women (again, not suggesting even half) will dress "comfy" in the most revealing way they can, such as jean shorts that just goes over the butt cheeks rather than a loose pear of shorts that are comfy aswell.
So that also confused me as to why women would opt to the more revealing clothing than needed during hot weather. While people are wearing shorts, some women will wear denim underwear...So I can't really say that the two attires are the same because some women opt to shorts far shorter than average shorts like you explained men to wear.I'm one of those types of people to wear less at home myself.
I don't think I said people wear more clothing at home than alone. If I did then can you quote me? I'm not really in the mood to read through all my previous comments.
What I'm saying, overall here, is that people are free to wear skimpy clothing or any clothing they want. I'm not calling them a slut or anything, I'm just saying that people try to dress to impress, generally, to the best of their ability. I don't agree with the "it's for me" view point because if it was simply for the individual then they would dress like that at home while dressing more comfortably in public and less revealing to avoid the possibility of assholes.
We generally buy clothing that we think is comfy, looks good, or both. That's normal. I'm simply disagreeing that someone choosing clothing they want to wear to look good aren't doing it just for themselves and would like people to agree with them.
I know harassers are the problem but the problem won't be going away. I'm not defending them, I'm actually loosly helping the people harassed by telling them that if you want to dress a certain way but don't do it for others to see then do it at home and dress more casual in public so that you can have your cake and eat it too.
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First off, women don't know what they want.
Second, women only know what they don't want.
Third, what ever a women wants or think she wants changes a lot, sometimes moment to moment.
Forth, women dress for many reasons: compete with other women, self esteem issues, mood, one particular man or person, ego boost, seeking attention, to prove a point -or- any combination of the above at the same time or separately.
Fifth, if they do dress dress wild and you want to look go ahead, even stare. If they are not ashamed to dress like what ever I'm not ashamed to look.
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women are attention whores. and some guys are just as bad. but women will dress and do things that make them feel admired envied or in control. just because the dress like whores though doesn't mean they want to be treated like one. they only want the good parts. like getting things drinks, food attention, favors, etc. list goes on and on. Last girlfriend told me she loved performing in front of people (gymnastics) because she absolutely loved the feeling of others looking at her with envy. She didn't even like what she was doing that was the sole reason that drove her. She still continues to do things now that support the fact that she's a huge attention whore. just something you have to learn to accept I guess. personally I find it completely irritating. Lots of girls with low self-esteem.
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My wife likes to dress slut like. She enjoys the attention and compliments plus the fondling and occasional fingering. It's a turn on for us as well as the guys involved or viewing. She loves teasing the guys by displaying her body erever and whenever possible. She loves having the control of these guys...
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Well I agree with both ends of this.
1.If you do not want sexual attention dont dress like a slut
2.You are not required to sexually harass anyone for any reasonSo no neither of you is right because the one one is wrong. Dont act like a perv since you believe you have the right to be a sexual harasser.
Now women who have logos across there boobs and get mad you read them are morons yes.
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