What are you talking about? Who told you drugs do not exist? I don't see what santa has to do with this so I am going to assume you are trolling. However this would be like debating if Buhhda really existed and that really has nothing to do with the topic.
While I should not feed the trolls I guess ill answer. Drugs are banned for the side effects. If the side effects are too harmful they are taken off the market. Drugs like crack are bad since it means you are high and can end up hurting others.
When have you ever heard of a person killing for a pack of cigarettes? This seems to be the reason they ban most drugs. Most of these drugs were legal at one point. Though even after taking them off the market people were still addicted to them. The drugs currently on the market are medication. Medication have a cause and try to fix something wrong with people. They seem to have more of an effect on the person taking them health apposed to everyone around them.
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"They exist, it's not like santa."
I'm not trolling, you just have problems understanding me.
My point about drugs was you shouldn't always assume there is a good reason for something being illegal, you should find out what the reason is, and then judge whether or not your agree.
"When have you ever heard of a person killing for a pack of cigarettes?" That's right. But then cigarettes are a leading cause of death in many countries, contributing to lung cancer rates (a cancer with one of the highest mortality rates) and heart disease. In terms of a public health risk, cigarettes are pretty high up there. The drug component, nicotine, is addictive, but worse than that is the carcinogenic chemicals that accompany nicotine in tobacco (proven to cause cancer). Yet cigarettes are legal in most countries.
Similarly with alcohol, which contributes to anti-social behaviour, violent crime, car accidents, is addictive and can lead to alcoholism which can result in early death due to organ failure (especially the liver). Yet it's legal in most countries.
So the conclusion that 'it's because of the side-effects' is only sometimes applicable. This makes you question the logic. Why are some drugs, which are less harmful, illegal, yet others, which are more harmful, legal? Hence one of the primary arguments for the legalisation of cannabis; there is plenty of evidence which suggests cannabis is less harmful than alcohol, so why can't it be sold and regulated? Which is a good question. Actually in many countries it is legally permissible to possess and use a small amount of cannabis. In others, it's legal to grow and sell.
We have people who believe in legalizing it and we have people who do not. I dont see how legalizing every illegal substance will make things better. I dont see why people are so dependent on drugs to begin with.
If illegal drugs are so great why do we have rehab? People actually wanting to quit these drugs. Its not like every single person quitting is forced either. Some people generally want to stop doing drugs and believe it ruined there life. Also I don’t see the reason in legalizing alcohol either as its no longer necessary.
I'm speaking specifically about cannabis - that is what this question is about. I'm saying, particularly in response to your 'they made these illegal for a reason' statement, that sometimes the application of the law is inconsistent and the reasoning isn't perfect. It's good to consider this. Also the law varies from country to country, and attitudes vary from culture to culture. What is legal in one place is illegal in another.
And at no point did I say illegal drugs are great. Congratulations for jumping to conclusions.
If pot is illegal its illegal for a reason. Legalizing more drugs is not going to stop crime rates. Its an illegal drug and saying you want to legalize this is the same as legalizing speed, mushrooms and any other type of illegal substance.
Rehab supports drug addiction. Its all about the money, honey.
Get a little opiate in your system and check into a methadone clinic. You get 120 Mg of methadone for a couple bucks. And the best part is, the pillheads can go every day for years without their dose being dropped. Thanks gov for rehab.you really care don't you?
I've tried weed enough to experience getting high.
I've also gotten totally shitfaced from alcohol.
Now what i don't get is how alcohol is concidered to be good when weed isn't.
I've only felt relaxed and derpy from weed, when alcohol has thrown me into an emotional rollercoaster.
In fact, i even PREFER alcohol since it gives me a much stronger thrill.
Potheads are just randomly relaxed and derpy, hella fun to be around too<3
Who told you it was good? They just were not successful in getting rid of alcohol. They did try before and it was a complete failure. It does not mean its a good thing. In the past people drank alcohol since it was cleaner than the water. Beer was originally made to be a sort of liquid bread. So alcohol was not originally something that people made to get drunk and party.
Most of these things and drugs had a purpose. Crack is pretty simple it was to keep workers going longer and stay up more so they get more work. It was also something they used in war to get the service men pumped. Things like hallucinogens were believed to open your mind and make you smarter. However it seems to have bad side effects like addiction, cancer so on. So they were banned from being sold.
They are slowly trying to ban cigarettes but I think they thought of the alcohol failure when they did this. So instead of banning it all together they just made it harder and harder to smoke. Like you can not smoke in public, you can not smoke in private if kids are around, you can not smoke if people are around you, you can not smoke at bars so on. However from this we get the ELECTRIC cigarette. Which I have not really looked into that and not sure how damaging the electric ones are too your health but they seem to be an alternative.
basically i believe that Electric cigarettes are the same (When it comes to damaging) as normal ones, with the exception that you can smoke them indoors and wherever it pleases you.
My whole point is that as long as you are not HURTING other people besides yourself you should be allowed to put everything that you see fit into your own body.
Let's face it, if you wish to do drugs you get them no matter if they are legal or not. But if they are illegal you support drugdealers and what not.
I do get your point in why they are not banning alcohol because this has failed miserably in the past, but still ...
That would be chaos. You said if you are not hurting someone else you should be able to take the drug. So if someone ends up killing or harming another under said drug the drug should be banned correct?
There was never a prohibition on alcohol in the UK, the government never attempted to 'try'.
In the US, there was a prohibition in the late 1800s and early 1900s, which created a black market with criminal organisations running the distribution of alcohol. When they decided to get rid of prohibition, it was because they a) wanted to tax alcohol, and b) wanted to stop criminal syndicates making money from alcohol.
This is a prime example supporting the argument for legalisation and regulation of certain (or some say all) drugs. With prohibition, you push the industry underground, and nefarious organisations make money off the illegal trade, whilst also fighting for territory. Hence gang violence, wide-spread corruption, numerous cartels amassing wealth and murdering innocent people and each other, destroying neighbourhoods. With regulation, what is sold is quality controlled, traders require an official license and are taxed, the trade is legitimised and this takes power away from the gangs, brings the black market into the sunshine and makes everything safer (in theory).
Also, alcohol was being used to 'get drunk and party' long before beer even existed. It wasn't originally for drinking instead of unclean water - this was a later benefit which was only realised because alcoholic beverages were already popular and ubiquitous.
Oh and crack cocaine wasn't developed to 'keep workers going longer and stay up more.' Look it up.
Uk doing it of not it was attempted none the less. That is like saying no one is allowed to mention Hitler lost the war unless you are from Germany. That means someone did try to get rid of it. So are you saying we legalize things like speed?
Drugs create crime since the people under the influence of them often end up with mental problems or are addicted. Some people are born unstable and its not always possible to fix these people.
So if we legalize every illegal substance we are going to have more unstable people. I think we should try to stay away from creating more mental cases. I don’t see how screwing up more heads is going to stop crime rates.
There's no doubt addiction to drugs creates crime. But you get that with or without the legalisation and regulation of drugs, and because something is legal, doesn't mean everybody wants to do it.
Anyway, I'm not arguing for the legalisation of all drugs. I don't feel like I'm in a good enough position, or knowledgable enough, to confidently say if all drugs were legalised and regulated that would be better.
However, SOME drugs could easily be legalised with minimum negative impact, and that would be beneficial to society for various reasons.
I think you should read more about these things; you incorrectly spoke about the origin of alcohol and crack cocaine, and I think perhaps you shouldn't be making such statements without first researching.
Legalizing it means more people are able to do it. Which again brings up do you believe in speed or maybe heroin? I did research this.
http://www.tofugu.com/2012/04/10/japan-land-of-the-rising-crystal-meth/ <====Factory workers and Those going to war. Why dont you do some actual research?
Illegal "Drugs create crime"!
Legal drugs, even shit like speed and smack, dispensed by the government do not create crime; it is the need for money to buy illegal drugs that creates the crime!
The British have been dispensing "drugs" legally for nearly half a century and have much less drug related crime and disease than the US. They also have a lot fewer people in jail for drug related crimes, that the taxpayers must support.
Most unstable people are not created by the drugs, they were unstable long before taking the drugs. They are usually alcoholics as well and their problems will not be solved or alleviated by making drugs harder to come by.
If pot was completely legal, how much and how often would you use it?
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What are you talking about? Who told you drugs do not exist? I don't see what santa has to do with this so I am going to assume you are trolling. However this would be like debating if Buhhda really existed and that really has nothing to do with the topic.
While I should not feed the trolls I guess ill answer. Drugs are banned for the side effects. If the side effects are too harmful they are taken off the market. Drugs like crack are bad since it means you are high and can end up hurting others.
When have you ever heard of a person killing for a pack of cigarettes? This seems to be the reason they ban most drugs. Most of these drugs were legal at one point. Though even after taking them off the market people were still addicted to them. The drugs currently on the market are medication. Medication have a cause and try to fix something wrong with people. They seem to have more of an effect on the person taking them health apposed to everyone around them.
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I was this > < close once to choking my sister to death over 9 cigarettes. A few months later we broke the tension with a peace pipe.
You said,
"I don't believe in drugs"
I facetiously replied,
"They exist, it's not like santa."
I'm not trolling, you just have problems understanding me.
My point about drugs was you shouldn't always assume there is a good reason for something being illegal, you should find out what the reason is, and then judge whether or not your agree.
"When have you ever heard of a person killing for a pack of cigarettes?" That's right. But then cigarettes are a leading cause of death in many countries, contributing to lung cancer rates (a cancer with one of the highest mortality rates) and heart disease. In terms of a public health risk, cigarettes are pretty high up there. The drug component, nicotine, is addictive, but worse than that is the carcinogenic chemicals that accompany nicotine in tobacco (proven to cause cancer). Yet cigarettes are legal in most countries.
Similarly with alcohol, which contributes to anti-social behaviour, violent crime, car accidents, is addictive and can lead to alcoholism which can result in early death due to organ failure (especially the liver). Yet it's legal in most countries.
So the conclusion that 'it's because of the side-effects' is only sometimes applicable. This makes you question the logic. Why are some drugs, which are less harmful, illegal, yet others, which are more harmful, legal? Hence one of the primary arguments for the legalisation of cannabis; there is plenty of evidence which suggests cannabis is less harmful than alcohol, so why can't it be sold and regulated? Which is a good question. Actually in many countries it is legally permissible to possess and use a small amount of cannabis. In others, it's legal to grow and sell.
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We have people who believe in legalizing it and we have people who do not. I dont see how legalizing every illegal substance will make things better. I dont see why people are so dependent on drugs to begin with.
If illegal drugs are so great why do we have rehab? People actually wanting to quit these drugs. Its not like every single person quitting is forced either. Some people generally want to stop doing drugs and believe it ruined there life. Also I don’t see the reason in legalizing alcohol either as its no longer necessary.
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I'm speaking specifically about cannabis - that is what this question is about. I'm saying, particularly in response to your 'they made these illegal for a reason' statement, that sometimes the application of the law is inconsistent and the reasoning isn't perfect. It's good to consider this. Also the law varies from country to country, and attitudes vary from culture to culture. What is legal in one place is illegal in another.
And at no point did I say illegal drugs are great. Congratulations for jumping to conclusions.
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If pot is illegal its illegal for a reason. Legalizing more drugs is not going to stop crime rates. Its an illegal drug and saying you want to legalize this is the same as legalizing speed, mushrooms and any other type of illegal substance.
Rehab supports drug addiction. Its all about the money, honey.
Get a little opiate in your system and check into a methadone clinic. You get 120 Mg of methadone for a couple bucks. And the best part is, the pillheads can go every day for years without their dose being dropped. Thanks gov for rehab.you really care don't you?
Yes they did; so the alcohol and tobacco companies wouldn't have to compete with pot. It's all about the money, honey.
I've tried weed enough to experience getting high.
I've also gotten totally shitfaced from alcohol.
Now what i don't get is how alcohol is concidered to be good when weed isn't.
I've only felt relaxed and derpy from weed, when alcohol has thrown me into an emotional rollercoaster.
In fact, i even PREFER alcohol since it gives me a much stronger thrill.
Potheads are just randomly relaxed and derpy, hella fun to be around too<3
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Who told you it was good? They just were not successful in getting rid of alcohol. They did try before and it was a complete failure. It does not mean its a good thing. In the past people drank alcohol since it was cleaner than the water. Beer was originally made to be a sort of liquid bread. So alcohol was not originally something that people made to get drunk and party.
Most of these things and drugs had a purpose. Crack is pretty simple it was to keep workers going longer and stay up more so they get more work. It was also something they used in war to get the service men pumped. Things like hallucinogens were believed to open your mind and make you smarter. However it seems to have bad side effects like addiction, cancer so on. So they were banned from being sold.
They are slowly trying to ban cigarettes but I think they thought of the alcohol failure when they did this. So instead of banning it all together they just made it harder and harder to smoke. Like you can not smoke in public, you can not smoke in private if kids are around, you can not smoke if people are around you, you can not smoke at bars so on. However from this we get the ELECTRIC cigarette. Which I have not really looked into that and not sure how damaging the electric ones are too your health but they seem to be an alternative.
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basically i believe that Electric cigarettes are the same (When it comes to damaging) as normal ones, with the exception that you can smoke them indoors and wherever it pleases you.
My whole point is that as long as you are not HURTING other people besides yourself you should be allowed to put everything that you see fit into your own body.
Let's face it, if you wish to do drugs you get them no matter if they are legal or not. But if they are illegal you support drugdealers and what not.
I do get your point in why they are not banning alcohol because this has failed miserably in the past, but still ...
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If you truly believe that things like pot should not be legal and neither should things like alcohol.
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That would be chaos. You said if you are not hurting someone else you should be able to take the drug. So if someone ends up killing or harming another under said drug the drug should be banned correct?
There was never a prohibition on alcohol in the UK, the government never attempted to 'try'.
In the US, there was a prohibition in the late 1800s and early 1900s, which created a black market with criminal organisations running the distribution of alcohol. When they decided to get rid of prohibition, it was because they a) wanted to tax alcohol, and b) wanted to stop criminal syndicates making money from alcohol.
This is a prime example supporting the argument for legalisation and regulation of certain (or some say all) drugs. With prohibition, you push the industry underground, and nefarious organisations make money off the illegal trade, whilst also fighting for territory. Hence gang violence, wide-spread corruption, numerous cartels amassing wealth and murdering innocent people and each other, destroying neighbourhoods. With regulation, what is sold is quality controlled, traders require an official license and are taxed, the trade is legitimised and this takes power away from the gangs, brings the black market into the sunshine and makes everything safer (in theory).
Also, alcohol was being used to 'get drunk and party' long before beer even existed. It wasn't originally for drinking instead of unclean water - this was a later benefit which was only realised because alcoholic beverages were already popular and ubiquitous.
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Uk doing it of not it was attempted none the less. That is like saying no one is allowed to mention Hitler lost the war unless you are from Germany. That means someone did try to get rid of it. So are you saying we legalize things like speed?
Drugs create crime since the people under the influence of them often end up with mental problems or are addicted. Some people are born unstable and its not always possible to fix these people.
So if we legalize every illegal substance we are going to have more unstable people. I think we should try to stay away from creating more mental cases. I don’t see how screwing up more heads is going to stop crime rates.
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There's no doubt addiction to drugs creates crime. But you get that with or without the legalisation and regulation of drugs, and because something is legal, doesn't mean everybody wants to do it.
Anyway, I'm not arguing for the legalisation of all drugs. I don't feel like I'm in a good enough position, or knowledgable enough, to confidently say if all drugs were legalised and regulated that would be better.
However, SOME drugs could easily be legalised with minimum negative impact, and that would be beneficial to society for various reasons.
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Legalizing it means more people are able to do it. Which again brings up do you believe in speed or maybe heroin? I did research this.
http://www.tofugu.com/2012/04/10/japan-land-of-the-rising-crystal-meth/ <====Factory workers and Those going to war. Why dont you do some actual research?
Illegal "Drugs create crime"!
Legal drugs, even shit like speed and smack, dispensed by the government do not create crime; it is the need for money to buy illegal drugs that creates the crime!
The British have been dispensing "drugs" legally for nearly half a century and have much less drug related crime and disease than the US. They also have a lot fewer people in jail for drug related crimes, that the taxpayers must support.
Most unstable people are not created by the drugs, they were unstable long before taking the drugs. They are usually alcoholics as well and their problems will not be solved or alleviated by making drugs harder to come by.